RE: PokéBeach's Official XY Ban List
unsheathed said:
No, but you can argue that Blazikenite is banned by association with Blaziken. Other than that, all Mega Stones are allowed. There is talk about doing something with Gengarite. When the time comes, we'll follow whatever Smogon's official decision is on that Mega Stone.
You can make your Aegislash hold a Blazekenite if you really want to and I won't have any complaints about it.
PokeChimpo said:
I agree with you, but SR is used less then in pass gens, it gets easier to counter, 9 out of 10 teams I battle against use Talonflame, some throw on Choice Band and do extra damage. The 81 base attack doesn't apply when all you do is SD into Brave Bird/Blits. It's pretty much like Talonflame having a base 130 in attack. Without Gale Wings Talonflame would still be OU off its super high speed, only dropping to priority. With Gale Wings and a team to throw out and rid hazards. What's really stopping it from taking 3-4 KOs?
I still stand beside what I said before, if MGengar and MKhan get the boot then so does Talonflame, whom is more of a threat than both
I feel the need to respond to this because I've been using Talonflame a lot this generation and have laddered quite highly with it. I have the most experience with Choice Band because I believe it is Talonflame's best and most consistent set.
First of all, Stealth Rock is /not/ used less now than in past generations, Stealth Rock is a staple and
should be on every single team with no exceptions. And this is not Talonflame's fault, Stealth Rock is needed because it provides a check to several pokemon that would otherwise have a completely free reign of terror including Volcarona, Yanmega, Charizard, and most importantly, Multiscale Dragonite. Talonflame just happens to fall into the same category by mere coincidence.
Second of all, while I do agree that Talonflame is quite threatening after it sets up a Swords Dance, it is a lot harder to do so than you're making it out to be. Talonflame is ridiculously frail, even if Stealth Rock doesn't happen to be set up. Almost any time you use Swords Dance you're at risk of eating a status move or a hit. I feel like it is more efficient to run something like U-turn or Tailwind in the last slot because you either keep momentum going, or support the team more effectively. In addition, even after you set up a Swords Dance, there are still several pokemon that will check Talonflame including defensive and Scarf Rotom-W, Dragonite, Heatran, anything with Extremespeed, and Aegislash (Shadow Sneak goes first if you use Flare Blitz and it resists Brave Bird!!)
Lastly, and I mean this for everybody, not just one specific person, debating whether or not Talonflame is "more broken" or "more of a threat" than Mega Kangaskhan is incredibly silly because both of these pokemon
perform incredibly different roles. That's like debating which Deoxys forme is the best or whether Azelf or Skarmory are better. You can't do it because they all do different things and it's not possible to compare them. Talonflame is best at cleaning up teams after they're softened up late-game, Kangaskhan is good at setting up, taking hits, and powering through teams rather than cleaning them up after they're softened. They're different.
Now on the topic of Mega Gengar:
Astra said:
Gengarite has been quickbanned on Smogon.
Thank God. Shadow Tag is (obviously aside from Wonder Guard) the best ability in this game, hands-down. Gengar's ability to trap and KO anything it needs to is unparalelled due to its power, speed and movepool. And to whoever it was that said Gengar can only score 1 or 2 KOs, that's exactly the point. Gengar can pick and choose whatever 2 pokemon it wants to KO and there is absolutely nothing that you can do about it. This makes the game incredibly one-sided because you can't stop a Dragonite after Mega Gengar has KO'd both of your Dragonite checks. Mega Gengar chooses what it KOs and this makes it incredibly easy for any pokemon behind the Mega Gengar to run through the rest of your team.
DNA said:
Or sketching Dark Void onto Smeargle, which is legal.
Do you realize what this means? ...I thought so.
Have they changed the rule? Because in BW2 the move Dark Void was banned.
