This post is a response to the case on Drac, and I implore everyone to read it:
As for who I think should be lynched? ##VOTE: GM Draclord
The fact that Drac stated who shouldn't be lynched, but not who should, is solid evidence for the classic lack-of-commitment that always shows through in Drac's play as scum. That this is already apparent is quite telling.
You've literally made a case with a foundation of lack-of-commitment. On Day 2. At the start of it, too, in your first post (or string of posts which was just one big post separated into smaller bits to be more stomachable). That's literally already flawed. So good job with that one.
And even if it weren't flawed, and I don't like using meta but this is a meta-read so I'm providing an equally shabby meta-defence, is Drac being non-committal at the start of the game might be how he plays as mafia, sure. It's also how he plays as town. In most games he's in he says at the start of Day 1, "Day 1's not my thing, I'll keep up with the thread but be more useful tomorrow", such as what Athena, PMJ etc. often did as well. Just because he didn't put a disclaimer at the start of the day this time, doesn't mean anything.
bbninjas said:
NOTE: There is some subtle buddying with Celever as on both parties [
future reference]:
- GM Draclord not wanting to lynch Cel for experience (despite NP, Jabber and scattered all being very experienced too)[/quote]
You heard it here first. Not wanting to lynch someone is buddying. And this is a
very misleadingly worded bullet point because you heavily,
heavily imply that I was the only person Drac didn't want to lynch for experience. But no -- he put Keeper on that list too, and while yes, NP, Jabs and scattered are all experienced players, they're at least a year and a half, 2 years younger than me Drac and Keeper on this site, who were the 3 oldest and most experienced players at the time. Do I think experience is a good reason not to lynch someone? No. Was it Day 1? Yes. Does Drac ever play much on Day 1? No. Is it therefore characteristic of his several years of play on this site to have made a post in that vein, regardless of alignment? Yes, absolutely. I don't think there's any way you don't know that because you must have played in dozens of Day 1s with Drac, and this happens nearly every time. Just usually no one picks him up on, because it happens nearly every time. He's not an RVS player. That's fine.
The fact that you've made this contrived point in this misleading fashion is
very scummy. Like, by far the scummiest thing you've done this game and, arguably, that anyone's done besides Eevee. This is steering the town off a bridge by what I could only assume is "talking in absolutes" (which is a scumtell according to you but I'm still not sure what you meant and you didn't clarify it).
bbninjas said:
- Celever's lack of interaction with GM Drac, despite having picked fights with virtually everyone else
Folks, here's a list of "virtually everyone in the game besides Drac":
Virtually everyone in the game besides Drac:
3. NinjaPenguin
10. roz_the_eevee Spike (Town) - Lynched Day 1
12. Professor_jplap
I knew we were having activity issues on this site, but I didn't realise things had gotten this dire. Damn.
Not that you actually made a valid point that is worth responding to, but for the sake of it: I respect Drac tremendously as a player and think he's one of the best players we have on this site. This comes with the downside of me always having trouble reading him. So I don't see what motive I would have for drilling into him Day 1 when I wouldn't be able to glean much from his reactions. The only times I've had success at reading Drac is by looking into patterns, and patterns are rendered worthless if you guide the player in question in specific directions. Some players you get information by grilling, and some you get by letting them lead their own course. Drac, in my experience, is the latter, and I dare you to find a game in the last year where my behaviour has contradicted this ethos.
Finally, why you've attempted this case at all concerns me. At the end of the day the only thing you've said that you're saying could indicate he's scum -- the first quote bubble in this post -- is
solely a meta-read, which we all know is weak. And not only that, but it's an incorrect meta-read, because you're stating that something that is pretty intrinsic to his playstyle is somehow something he only does as mafia. That's flagrantly untrue. To flesh out this hokey "case", you added a "note", which I know is one of your strategies where you flesh out your posts with information to make the content of it seem more professional and appealing, while having a disclaimer present so that if anyone says "that's not scummy tho" you can say "I didn't say it was" (and how I know that is you've already done it this game with your FoS, adapting the definition of FoS to suit your needs away from the traditional definition). So the note of the buddying with me, which was also presented by you misleadingly and beyond that is not uncharacteristic of Drac anyway, is not something you're trying to say is scummy, despite including it in the same post as your case, right? Not that it would matter if it was because it's also untrue at best, but you accept that that doesn't indicate Drac's mafia? Cos if anything that's a read on me using the assumption that Drac is mafia, derived from a hokey metaread which has an untrue foundation.
The new players who have supported this case are fine. They don't know Drac's play that well. The more experienced players, if there are any (I haven't studied the more recent parts of the thread too extensively yet) will be cast into a suspicious light by doing so, however. This is not a hard case to see the many holes in if you've played with Drac before.
