XY What Cool New Pokémon / Evolution Do You Want to See in the 6th Generation?
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RE: What cool new Pokemon do you want to see in the 6th generation?
They could have been an interesting way to get some exclusive moves on the fully evolved Pokémon, this is the case with Pichu and Charm for example, not that Charm is a spectacular move, but it is something. It is a nice concept, but since Pokémon learn often too much moves anyway, I do not think pre-evolutions can really add much more.
Chrono said:
They could have been an interesting way to get some exclusive moves on the fully evolved Pokémon, this is the case with Pichu and Charm for example, not that Charm is a spectacular move, but it is something. It is a nice concept, but since Pokémon learn often too much moves anyway, I do not think pre-evolutions can really add much more.
RE: What cool new Pokemon do you want to see in the 6th generation?
Like you said, the only move they could add might be more baby moves, such as Pichu's Volt Tackle. They would have to increase the item count so the female mother a new baby move that relates to the held item.Pokequaza said:
RE: What cool new Pokemon do you want to see in the 6th generation?
Pichu also gives it Nasty Plot.
Would be nice if all pre-evos came with an item that enables a worthy move like Volt-Tackle, then the pre-evos would have a point from a completely competitive perspective....but then again, they could just make move tutors, TMs, or add new moves to the learnset if thats what they wanted to do.
Anyway, I for one like pre-evolutions, especially when their design does add something fresh to the line.
I can see how the ones that look like they are simply mini versions are viewed as pointless, say Cleffa and Azurill, where the initial stage was already over-cute and weak as it is,
but when it comes to ones that gives some stronger mono-stage a more natural feel are very welcome....say one for Tropius, Lapras and so on.
Pichu also gives it Nasty Plot.
Would be nice if all pre-evos came with an item that enables a worthy move like Volt-Tackle, then the pre-evos would have a point from a completely competitive perspective....but then again, they could just make move tutors, TMs, or add new moves to the learnset if thats what they wanted to do.
Anyway, I for one like pre-evolutions, especially when their design does add something fresh to the line.
I can see how the ones that look like they are simply mini versions are viewed as pointless, say Cleffa and Azurill, where the initial stage was already over-cute and weak as it is,
but when it comes to ones that gives some stronger mono-stage a more natural feel are very welcome....say one for Tropius, Lapras and so on.
RE: What cool new Pokemon do you want to see in the 6th generation?
You guys do remember that this series is also played by little kids, right? That's the whole reason behind baby Pokémon. Game Freak has never shown that it cares all that much for how viable each Pokémon is in battle or how balanced the game is - they just put together fun games with lots of weird monsters that people of all ages will find something to enjoy about. And that means giant hulking tanks and adorable little useless puffballs. That's how the series has been successful so far, and they're going to stick to that formula.
You guys do remember that this series is also played by little kids, right? That's the whole reason behind baby Pokémon. Game Freak has never shown that it cares all that much for how viable each Pokémon is in battle or how balanced the game is - they just put together fun games with lots of weird monsters that people of all ages will find something to enjoy about. And that means giant hulking tanks and adorable little useless puffballs. That's how the series has been successful so far, and they're going to stick to that formula.
RE: What cool new Pokemon do you want to see in the 6th generation?
I don't get how you say pokémon like Dunsparce, Qwilfish or Basculin should get evos while at the same time you consider the pokémon in bold "unnecessary weird-looking evolutions"... They may be weird (and there's nothing wrong with that either) but they were not unnecessary... Tangela, Lickitung and Nosepass are on the same level of the pokémon you mentioned... Even Magnezone... You think Magnezone is unnecessary but you think Shuckle should evolve? Shuckle has a really high BST, I don't see it evolving anytime soon (only if they make another Scyther/Scizor situation)...
Fennex said:
I don't get how you say pokémon like Dunsparce, Qwilfish or Basculin should get evos while at the same time you consider the pokémon in bold "unnecessary weird-looking evolutions"... They may be weird (and there's nothing wrong with that either) but they were not unnecessary... Tangela, Lickitung and Nosepass are on the same level of the pokémon you mentioned... Even Magnezone... You think Magnezone is unnecessary but you think Shuckle should evolve? Shuckle has a really high BST, I don't see it evolving anytime soon (only if they make another Scyther/Scizor situation)...
RE: What cool new Pokemon do you want to see in the 6th generation?
The emphasis here is on unnecessary combined with weird appearance. You're right that I might have included Tangela and Nosepass if they hadn't obtained evolutions yet.
It's just when I look at Tangrowth and Probopass, I think that, in retrospect, it would have been better not to add an evolution just for the sake of it. (without any innovative concept)
In contrast, Yanma or Sneasel were supplemented by interesting and useful evos. This also applies to the split evos. Magnezone, though useful in competitive gaming, is aesthetically a blunder and IMO unnecessary.
Concerning other evolutions in Gen4 (Lickylicky, Rhyperior, Electivire, Magmortar, Dusknoir), I think that there were other Pokemon (and still are) that needed an evo more urgently.
As for Shuckle: I listed Pokemon with the need of an evo just based on their immature appearance not on their BS. Gen 4 introduced a pre-evo for Sudowoodo (BS 410), but an evo for Tangela (BS 435) and not vice versa, that's why I guess BS is not the main argument for adding one of the two. A shuckle evo could have a slightly higher BS like Porygon2/Porygon-Z or just a redistribution of stats like Scyther/Scizor.
Also, I do not hope that all the Pokemon I mentioned will get evos/pre-evos in one Gen. It's rather a list of those that may need one or another for the future.
I'd like to see about 110-120 new Pokemon this Gen, including 16 Pokemon related to older ones (4 pre-evos, 8 evos, 4 split-evos), not more than 11 legendaries (regular trio, mascot trio, 2 event-only and 2-3 additional post-game legendaries) and the rest (80-90) arranged in new lines (2 additional split-evos, and 4-6 lines with unique type combinations).
Metalizard said:
The emphasis here is on unnecessary combined with weird appearance. You're right that I might have included Tangela and Nosepass if they hadn't obtained evolutions yet.
It's just when I look at Tangrowth and Probopass, I think that, in retrospect, it would have been better not to add an evolution just for the sake of it. (without any innovative concept)
In contrast, Yanma or Sneasel were supplemented by interesting and useful evos. This also applies to the split evos. Magnezone, though useful in competitive gaming, is aesthetically a blunder and IMO unnecessary.
Concerning other evolutions in Gen4 (Lickylicky, Rhyperior, Electivire, Magmortar, Dusknoir), I think that there were other Pokemon (and still are) that needed an evo more urgently.
As for Shuckle: I listed Pokemon with the need of an evo just based on their immature appearance not on their BS. Gen 4 introduced a pre-evo for Sudowoodo (BS 410), but an evo for Tangela (BS 435) and not vice versa, that's why I guess BS is not the main argument for adding one of the two. A shuckle evo could have a slightly higher BS like Porygon2/Porygon-Z or just a redistribution of stats like Scyther/Scizor.
Also, I do not hope that all the Pokemon I mentioned will get evos/pre-evos in one Gen. It's rather a list of those that may need one or another for the future.
I'd like to see about 110-120 new Pokemon this Gen, including 16 Pokemon related to older ones (4 pre-evos, 8 evos, 4 split-evos), not more than 11 legendaries (regular trio, mascot trio, 2 event-only and 2-3 additional post-game legendaries) and the rest (80-90) arranged in new lines (2 additional split-evos, and 4-6 lines with unique type combinations).
RE: What cool new Pokemon do you want to see in the 6th generation?
I always thought a Trapinch alt evo should go more like this:
Snaringe
Ground
Arena Trap (Sheer Force)
70 / 105 / 70 / 70 / 70 / 15
Subterfuge
Ground
Arena Trap (Sheer Force)
100 / 120 / 100 / 100 / 100 / 20
I always thought a Trapinch alt evo should go more like this:
Snaringe
Ground
Arena Trap (Sheer Force)
70 / 105 / 70 / 70 / 70 / 15
Subterfuge
Ground
Arena Trap (Sheer Force)
100 / 120 / 100 / 100 / 100 / 20
RE: What cool new Pokemon do you want to see in the 6th generation?
I'd find it interesting if they made it so it was only one alt. stage, stat-wise stronger than Vibrava and slightly weaker than Flygon.
Trapinch --- +50 ---> Vibrava --- +180 ---> Flygon
\------+180 ---> Alt.Evo
the evolution to vibrava is stat wise more of a readjustment (attack being traded for some actual speed, +5 -30 +5 +5 +5 +60) with the total rising merely 50 pts compared to the evolution into Flygon, which is a very typical all around improvement (+30 +30 +30 +30 +30 +30),
so maybe if the alt.evo was based on the idea of improving Trapinch directly, it could go the simple +30*6 way, resulting in:
75 - 130 - 75 - 75 - 75 - 40
or, since the numbers vary much more, with a more natural lower increase on lower stats and higher on higher stats:
75 - 140 - 75 - 75 - 75 - 30
Now just add a Bug STAB for lolz and then, with Arena Trap, this would look quite horrifying for a weaker alt.evo.
I'd find it interesting if they made it so it was only one alt. stage, stat-wise stronger than Vibrava and slightly weaker than Flygon.
Trapinch --- +50 ---> Vibrava --- +180 ---> Flygon
\------+180 ---> Alt.Evo
the evolution to vibrava is stat wise more of a readjustment (attack being traded for some actual speed, +5 -30 +5 +5 +5 +60) with the total rising merely 50 pts compared to the evolution into Flygon, which is a very typical all around improvement (+30 +30 +30 +30 +30 +30),
so maybe if the alt.evo was based on the idea of improving Trapinch directly, it could go the simple +30*6 way, resulting in:
75 - 130 - 75 - 75 - 75 - 40
or, since the numbers vary much more, with a more natural lower increase on lower stats and higher on higher stats:
75 - 140 - 75 - 75 - 75 - 30
Now just add a Bug STAB for lolz and then, with Arena Trap, this would look quite horrifying for a weaker alt.evo.
RE: What cool new Pokemon do you want to see in the 6th generation?
I always thought the Trapinch line should be...
Trapinch - Bug/Ground
Vibrava - Bug/Flying
Flygon - Bug/Dragon
I always thought the Trapinch line should be...
Trapinch - Bug/Ground
Vibrava - Bug/Flying
Flygon - Bug/Dragon
RE: What cool new Pokemon do you want to see in the 6th generation?
Don't give Flygon an unusable type for him while taking away STAB EQ!
Metalizard said:
Don't give Flygon an unusable type for him while taking away STAB EQ!
RE: What cool new Pokemon do you want to see in the 6th generation?
Then have it have a *6 weakness!
frostwind said:
Then have it have a *6 weakness!
RE: What cool new Pokemon do you want to see in the 6th generation?
Like this guy said:
And neither do I... Biologically, it would make sense for Flygon to be Bug/Dragon. I couldn't care less if it would lose STAB EQ or whatever...
Also, didn't you guys want a Bug/Dragon?
Flygon2071 said:
Like this guy said:
And neither do I... Biologically, it would make sense for Flygon to be Bug/Dragon. I couldn't care less if it would lose STAB EQ or whatever...
Also, didn't you guys want a Bug/Dragon?
RE: What cool new Pokemon do you want to see in the 6th generation?
I was actually hoping Haxorus would be Bug/Dragon when it was first revealed.
Metalizard said:
I was actually hoping Haxorus would be Bug/Dragon when it was first revealed.
RE: What cool new Pokemon do you want to see in the 6th generation?
As antlion larvae are among my favorite creatures on Earth, I would love an alternate Trapinch evo that remains in the "doodlebug" form. It wouldn't make any biological sense, no, but it would be cool anyway.
You're still being ridiculously subjective here. You're confusing "unnecessary ideas" with ideas you just aren't personally into. I ONLY LIKE pokemon with a "weird appearance." I don't care for Sneasel, almost any starter or almost any legendary. I only ever like strange, unique monsters with personality and a little humor.
I always loved Tangela, always wanted it to evolve, and was happy with Tangrowth. It keeps everything endearing about Tangela, but bigger and funnier.
Magnezone was a surprise, but it cleverly fuses the three Magnemite who form Magneton into an eerie, alien spaceship.
Probopass not only turns Nosepass into a larger, more "proper" looking Moai, it adds the blue eyes and red hat that actual Moai originally had. Most people are only familiar with the bare, eyeless Easter Island heads because the eyes and hats were lost or destroyed over the centuries. The magnetic metal-filing mustache is also clever and original.
Shuckle doesn't look "immature" to me. A small pokemon isn't automatically a "baby" any more than a small animal has to be a baby. Shuckle is interesting because it is tiny and harmless, but ridiculously well defended.
I would rather they give shuckle a PREVO, statted so that when you put eviolite on it, it just has average defenses, but they could give it great offensive stats to compensate.
As antlion larvae are among my favorite creatures on Earth, I would love an alternate Trapinch evo that remains in the "doodlebug" form. It wouldn't make any biological sense, no, but it would be cool anyway.
Fennex said:
You're still being ridiculously subjective here. You're confusing "unnecessary ideas" with ideas you just aren't personally into. I ONLY LIKE pokemon with a "weird appearance." I don't care for Sneasel, almost any starter or almost any legendary. I only ever like strange, unique monsters with personality and a little humor.
I always loved Tangela, always wanted it to evolve, and was happy with Tangrowth. It keeps everything endearing about Tangela, but bigger and funnier.
Magnezone was a surprise, but it cleverly fuses the three Magnemite who form Magneton into an eerie, alien spaceship.
Probopass not only turns Nosepass into a larger, more "proper" looking Moai, it adds the blue eyes and red hat that actual Moai originally had. Most people are only familiar with the bare, eyeless Easter Island heads because the eyes and hats were lost or destroyed over the centuries. The magnetic metal-filing mustache is also clever and original.
Shuckle doesn't look "immature" to me. A small pokemon isn't automatically a "baby" any more than a small animal has to be a baby. Shuckle is interesting because it is tiny and harmless, but ridiculously well defended.
I would rather they give shuckle a PREVO, statted so that when you put eviolite on it, it just has average defenses, but they could give it great offensive stats to compensate.
RE: What cool new Pokemon do you want to see in the 6th generation?
Also, as it is said in the thread's title, I listed Pokemon I personally would like to see in the 6th generation, whereas I focused on evos (and pre-evos) of older Pokemon.
And as for me, the Pokemon that most urgently need an evolution are those little, often ignored and, according to my opinion, immature-looking Pokemon without evolution line and/or counterparts rather than those quite elaborated Pokemon like Electabuzz, Magmar, Rhydon, Magneton and others in Gen4, because IMO not every Pokemon is in need of a badass, bloated 3rd stage.
Tangela and Nosepass actually needed evolutions, however I'm not happy with what they turned into, but that's a matter of taste.
I named Shuckle because IMO it has potential to evolve into a terrestrial Giant tortoise with a rocky shell, though I'd be fine with a Shuckle pre-evo or an alternative attack-based form/split/counterpart/whatever, too.
Bogleech said:
Sorry for not making clear that this was my personal opinion.Fennex said:
Also, as it is said in the thread's title, I listed Pokemon I personally would like to see in the 6th generation, whereas I focused on evos (and pre-evos) of older Pokemon.
And as for me, the Pokemon that most urgently need an evolution are those little, often ignored and, according to my opinion, immature-looking Pokemon without evolution line and/or counterparts rather than those quite elaborated Pokemon like Electabuzz, Magmar, Rhydon, Magneton and others in Gen4, because IMO not every Pokemon is in need of a badass, bloated 3rd stage.
Tangela and Nosepass actually needed evolutions, however I'm not happy with what they turned into, but that's a matter of taste.
I named Shuckle because IMO it has potential to evolve into a terrestrial Giant tortoise with a rocky shell, though I'd be fine with a Shuckle pre-evo or an alternative attack-based form/split/counterpart/whatever, too.