Finished Mafia LX: Bad Cop, Insane Cop

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  1. scattered mind Competitive VG Forums Mod
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    Still waiting for GM Drac for answering. Right now my vote goes to him. He is posting for the sake of projecting thoughts but they are clearly not his real thoughts as they are contradicted by the logic of the things he says.
     


  2. NinjaPenguin Always standing out from the crowd.
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    Why am I town? What is leading you to think this? What about my posting is non-scummy?
    Why did you vote Ephe yesterday? How do you formulate your suspicions? What is your thought process as town?
    I get absolutely nothing from these short answers. Show me your internal thought process.
    Where exactly are you referring to? Is it the weird cop thing? Because Drac is infamously bad at cop probabilities judging from Bastard Mafia.

    @scattered mind Would you mind giving me assistance with a Drac meta dive by trying quote all posts where he votes his buddies as scum in the odd numbered games in the past couple of years? I'll look at even numbered ones.
     
  3. scattered mind Competitive VG Forums Mod
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    @NinjaPenguin
     
  4. NinjaPenguin Always standing out from the crowd.
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    Yeah that was the post I was referring to. I just chalked it up to Drac being super weird with probabilities lol.
    I don't see obvious contradictions like that as a scummy thing since why would scum Drac not notice that and change it? Feels more NAI than anything to me.

    The only even numbered game I could find where Drac was scum in the last ten games was Mafia 50 and he didn't vote a buddy. Will prob go back another couple of years but meta will get less and less accurate as time goes on.
     
  5. scattered mind Competitive VG Forums Mod
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    If we go by meta - I guess GM drac as scum is more open to collaborating while GM drac as town is less willing to trust others, and will vote whoever he believes is scum regardless of the majority vote - but it's a different case here since we are in lylo
     
  6. NinjaPenguin Always standing out from the crowd.
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    I was looking more for Drac's voting scumbuddies meta. He placed down two very different votes on TLS and Piplup and I want to see which one (if any) is how he votes his fellow scum.
    Went all the way back to Mafia 30 and Drac was only scum in one more even numbered game and also never voted a buddy. Time for odd numbered games I guess.
     
  7. GM DracLord Shadow of Death
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    I'm bad at analyzing. Unlike previous game this time around I really only have time to read the post at nights (previously I was still able to read during the day althought not posting, I atleast get to digest more post). The limited time and small game meaning we reach the end nearer make it worst for me.

    If it help, I do list all the game I played in my signature (missing just the recent one that I played). I myself don't remember my voting pattern, my thinking might differ a bit from being a student and full time working.
     
  8. NinjaPenguin Always standing out from the crowd.
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    I looked all the way back to Mafia 30 in odd numbered games too and there still has not been a single time Drac has ever voted a scumbuddy that I could find besides in the RVS stage in ~5 scum games.
    The closest thing I could find to self meta was a time he said he'd full-on bus only if it got him a lot of towncred and he definitely wouldn't have with that Piplup vote.

    I'm very comfortable in my Piplup/Drac not scumbuddies read now which means TLS should be confirmed scum.
    I also feel like Drac/TLS shouldn't be aligned but I also sorta feel that way about Piplup/TLS ugh.
     
  9. GM DracLord Shadow of Death
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    That's really an establish triangle.. Unless you are the one partner with either Piplup or TLS..... That's conclusion seem like me overeaching..

    Since we can't misslynch, I'm quite certain I can't go wrong voting either Piplup or TLS/
     
  10. NinjaPenguin Always standing out from the crowd.
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    I'm not quite sure what you're saying Drac but the issue for me is that there needs to be one pairing in that triangle that is both scum but it feels like every pairing has some piece of evidence that I see and it feels less likely to me. Piplup/You being unaligned is something I'm most confident in after reading your voting pattern as scum, but the other two I keep going back and forth on because your vote on TLS and TLS's vote on Piplup both read as things that normally scumbuddies don't do yet one of them has to be between scumbuddies and none of you have made posts that feel very AI on your own besides TLS's awful hammer.
    TLS should always be scum here but I'm still clueless on which one of you two is the other one and that scares me because there's a very good chance I end up in F3 and my choice ends up determining if we win or lose the game.
     
  11. I guess that I am the obvious vote for today. This is an odd situation, because its lylo. It makes sense to vote me out because you guys are sure that i'm scum.

    what am i supposed to do in this situation?
     
  12. NinjaPenguin Always standing out from the crowd.
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    If you're town you need to show you're town by putting in geuine effort to solve and/or push someone else and show us why they're scum.
    Maybe the first step could be answering every single one of my questions and clearly articulating your thought process instead of dodging them.

    Also, can you elaborate a bit more on "It makes sense to vote me out because you guys are sure that i'm scum"?
     
  13. scattered mind Competitive VG Forums Mod
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    This is too much acting imo
     
  14. I was not aware that my vote was the hammer. I did it because... i honestly dont know, i was kind of dumb. I guess that i thought that ephe was scum or something?

    Ok, so yesterday i saw that you immediately took control of the game, which means that you are either definitely scum or definitely town, but you are landing on definitely town for me. Scattered and Jade both claimed cop, so those were easily townpeople. The only ones left were aqua, ephe, and drac. I didn't really know how to classify these guys as they didn't post nearly as much as the first three, but i thought ephe was scum, because that is why i did that terrible hammer. I think that I thought that aqua was town, so i didnt want to vote him out.

    oh man i did it again. I did this in my first mafia game, and i was a complete idiot and it just happened 40 minutes ago again. i dont know what to say about myself other than that i was dumb lol

    ok so this leaves out that aqua and drac are teammates, but as you guys said above that this is definitely not aqua + drac behavior so it makes me wonder if NP is scum? i mean, what if? its probably not true though.
     
  15. TheAquaPiplup I have been playing Glaceon-GX for way too long
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  16. TheAquaPiplup I have been playing Glaceon-GX for way too long
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    Oh it didn’t format correctly
     
  17. NinjaPenguin Always standing out from the crowd.
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    @The Last Shaymin You said in your post when you voted you thought Piplup wasn't scum and Ephe might be. I don't care what you think; I care why you think it. What about Piplup made you think they're town and what about Ephe made you think they might be scum? Was it something they said? Was it something we said?
    Give me some definite thoughts. Drac-Piplup interactions don't look partner-y to me either. If one was teamed with me, who would it be and why? If they were teamed, why did Drac not vote Ephe there?
    What do you mean by "oh man i did it again. I did this in my first mafia game, and i was a complete idiot and it just happened 40 minutes ago again. i dont know what to say about myself other than that i was dumb lol"? What was dumb about what you said? I didn't think what you said was dumb, I wanted to hear more about the mindset it came from. (I'm also curious now so can you link me to your first game?)

    Piplup, stop saying these concrete statements. Tell me why. Why did you use to think I could be scum? Why did you see an Ephe vote as reasonable? If you're town you have an internal thought process of what you see as townie/scummy and I'm never going to find you if I can't see your internal monologue transferred to the page.
    Ask me a question you think would help you improve your understanding of the game or my alignment. Maybe then you'll see why I'm asking mine.
     
  18. So *no cool long answer posts
     
  19. NinjaPenguin Always standing out from the crowd.
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    I have a comment on this but want to say it after you answer my questions about your mindset behind your quote this game so please answer my questions k thx.
     

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