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Discussion in 'Forum Games' started by scattered mind, May 18, 2019.
Also for that matter has Zone claimed?
For the record, not all of us can read minds of an expert Mafia player who lives behind a screen miles away from us.
The roleblock thing was plausibly from Piplup as mentioned before, while Nick does not have a watcher function, but a motion detector function.
...for some reason I feel uncomfortable with it, but since your argument is reasonable, I shall comply.
Yeah. Unfortunately it cannot be proven, considering Jade did nothing with it N1.
If I were you, I would start reading from Page 15.
You can't read my mind but you can read past statements I've said about Drac's play as town. I've said before he isn't good enough at having a thread presence or convincing people. You can also infer from the 10+ games I've played with him that I know he's an easy mislynch and doesn't need a decently developed case to get mislynched. You can also see from the games as scum I've played that I don't nightkill people in the PoE.
Motion detector has a watcher function. He knows I wasn't targeted by anybody last night. It's not very useful but also serves a purpose.
What matters is that tracker-wise it can prove that Cel's ability was removed (or if Piplup wasn't dead if that kind of ability possibly existing). In fact, because that ability can remove active abilities, it proves that there is an additional use to it: you can track anybody who Piplup has removed an ability from to check if they've performed the nightkill.
Town already has more power in Piplup's vig & Ephemera's limited doctor than a typical 9 player setup. It doesn't need to be important but it needs to have a use.
I won't deny meta-reasoning, but if I can "grow" to not tunnel you immediately after joining the game, then I don't see how you can't "grow" to be even more unpredictable than you already were. ...clearly it is evident that this discussion will go nowhere. Hence, let us stop this argument and instead let me ask you whom you think are the prime suspects.
What I had said was merely done on a whim because I found some details to be incorrect; it did not carry any meaning to it. I did not mean to belittle Nick's ability, nor did I for that matter want to start talking about the usefulness of abilities. I apologize for making you think that I was unhappy with anything, and I apologize for wasting your time that you could have spent defending yourself and/or analyzing the game.
P.S. Why the heck do I sound so formal in the second half? Am I on a mood swing or something?
Looking back through ISOs they both check out Ephemera and Nick are confirmed town enough which leaves you/Cel/Naga.
I don't want Cel to be scum because that means scattered put a chat in the game just to pocket me but you/Naga feels so unlikely.
If he's scum with one of the two it's probably Naga with the way he defended Naga in that chat with me and just acted like Naga has an active ability which he couldn't know unless he's scum with Naga which means Ephemera is probably right and I'm probably stupid.
Nono you're totally good the goal of being town is for everybody to get on the same page and work as a team. Ask any question you have for me if it helps you feel more comfortable trusting my defense.
I assume this is done through tone-reading?
I see. Then let me ask you this question: What will you do now? Vote someone or vote No Lynch?
I will have you know, that my judgement on your alignment depends on this answer of yours.
Tone and equivalent stuff. Nick I quickly glanced at his claim again to see if it felt like there was an agenda of pocketing me he was going for with it and Ephemera I looked back at the walls to see if anything felt off perspective wise and see if there were any conclusions from them that felt forced and agenday.
No Lynch is the objectively better play because there's less chances for town to vote wrong (3 instead of 4) and there's a chance Nick gets something of use with his ability. I need to read over you-Naga interactions and Cel's ISO to check my feelings that you two can't be scumbuddies and Cel is more likely to be Naga's but then I'll cast my vote for it.
Well then, from "you are possibly scum" you are back to "you are only scum if Nick is scum ...which is unlikely to be the case, since nobody opposed the idea of Nick being town".
I see ...that is going to take a while, isn't it?
@Celever, @TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK, what do you think of NP? Still scummy? Well I don't anymore, and now I am stuck waiting for the No Lynch to happen.
By the way NP, are you going to claim your role yet? Cel's already more or less revealed it anyway, but I want to read it regardless.
Everything else leaves me pretty convinced but this is the post that concerns me about the Naga-Zone aren't scumbuddies theory:
It still feels so strange that he's pushed me so hard while Zone and Morda he claimed to see as more scummy the whole time and when he realizes he was voting Zone (supposedly his larger scumread the whole time) unvotes and apologizes (Post #214).
Then again he also literally says nothing about Cel here and puts him in the middle of his reads list which is equally incredibly weird.
Alright then. That leaves us with only @NaganadelIsBeast left, as the last person yet to have claimed.
In the meantime, I am going to continue with RL, seeing as this has yet become another waiting game of sorts.
I'll bet 50 nuffies that Cel will say that it is because he is a newbie or something.
Zone and NP are scumbuddies.
Will try to make a longer post later.
Yeah if Cel is scum it's much more likely with Naga than with Zone. There's no evidence that Cel-Zone isn't a thing but there's no evidence it is. Meanwhile with Naga I feel like he perspective slipped that he knows Naga's role and that it has an active ability and there are some things in the QT that make me think this too.
Spoiler: QT Quotes
Putting Naga in towncore:
"I certainly agree that Naganadel is town but I think it's hasty to include Ephemera in the towncore just yet."
"Nothing to bank on, but a perspective read could be valuable in this situation where it's kinda us 3/2 (including clear town Naganadel) against 5/4 fairly blank slates."
Me: "What's your thought about the way [Naga]'s tunneling me/voted me despite seeing morda and Zone as scummier?"
Cel: "It's a difficult thing to read into too much I think, mainly due to his inexperience complicating things. I mean, how many players try a pressure vote on the second day of their first game like he has? It would imply buddying if not for Zone coming in and playing aggressively with his pressure, something that Naga first confirmed is viable in mafia, and then replicated.
I think this is just his way of pushing for leads honestly, and comes from a town persuasion."
There's also this:
"I did also just have the thought that realistically this chat might not be open for long considering either of us are the clear namekills in this game. That said, Piplup's role basically confirms the presence of a protective role, so mafia probably should kill Naganadel assuming the doc would protect a namekill. It's a tossup what's gonna happen with a game of newer players."
Shockingly similar to Cel's theory, this post is a nice explanation of how he could have pocketed me by making me think scum him would have targeted Naga last night (when that was impossible).
The only time Cel mentioned Zone in the QT was in that third post in putting Naga in towncore.
You know, despite having 36+ hours left, I have a feeling that "later" will take him longer than 12 hours.
Meanwhile, I see that Cel is not thinking straight; I subbed Jade. Jade was clearly AFK before I got subbed in. NP isn't the killer, according to Nick. Which means that if he is scum, his scumbuddy has to have done it. If I was NP's scumbuddy, then that must mean that Jade was the killer N1. ...yes, the Jade who went AFK since June 3rd (i.e. a week ago) according to the forum's search function. (-_-)
OK will hold off on voting no lynch until you've done so.
Nah if I was scum I could probably puppet his action.
Oh holy schnitzels Celever, you have prolonged the game yet again...
--by the way, seeing as you hold off the vote until Cel comes back, I assume you are done with your defense and analysis?
Oh. That's a thing? @scattered mind, is that a thing?
Oh. Oka-- wait a minute.
"I could probably puppet his action" ...which means that NP could puppet whoever he is scumbuddies with? Even an active player?
So Celever's theory is not impossible?
For those who don't get it, this is a joke. I stand by my belief that NP is only scum if Nick is scum.
...speaking of Nick, HEY NICK! What are you going to do aside from watching from the sidelines?
Done enough. I'd do more but I want to wait until Cel's post because I have a strong feeling that if he's scum, I'll be able to tell if his teammate is you/Naga from it. And if not, I'll hopefully be able to tell that from it too.
Lmao writing HEY NICK :joy: