No I’m just pointing out that Nick hasn’t even told us that what he said he did actually happened. Did he get told by the hosts that his ability saved Mord or not?
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I think there is good reason to believe in Nick's story for the time being, as it is our only insight into the events of last night. A plausible one too, unless there were evidence to refute it.
And besides:
I think he's already explained all of what he's witnessed. He did not get any notification when he tried protecting bb. But he got notification when he attempted to protect mord, and coincidentally no night kill happened during that night.
But that should be basic knowledge by now
Now tell me @TOTAL_EPICNESS, why are you begging for trivial questions to be answered before giving any merit to the story?
You know, if you were suspecting him of lying, he could simply respond with another lie.
But if you think his explanation is misguided, please tell me your own explanation of last night. I'm listening.
And besides:
I think he's already explained all of what he's witnessed. He did not get any notification when he tried protecting bb. But he got notification when he attempted to protect mord, and coincidentally no night kill happened during that night.
But that should be basic knowledge by now
Now tell me @TOTAL_EPICNESS, why are you begging for trivial questions to be answered before giving any merit to the story?
You know, if you were suspecting him of lying, he could simply respond with another lie.
But if you think his explanation is misguided, please tell me your own explanation of last night. I'm listening.
I didn’t see those I guess I wasn’t focusing when I caught myself up and only saw Roz’s post asking about it and just assumed he didn’t, sorry
I wasn’t begging lol I just thought he didn’t get confirmation and wanted to find out
I don’t have an explanation of last night but there wasn’t a night kill so I believe what he says now that I’ve read those posts that I missex
I wasn’t begging lol I just thought he didn’t get confirmation and wanted to find out
I don’t have an explanation of last night but there wasn’t a night kill so I believe what he says now that I’ve read those posts that I missex
So you "missex" you know, like all of the important details being discussed, but you pay attention to the criticism on those details?
Is it really out of carelessness, or given that you prioritized rox's disruptive response over the original discussion, were you looking to disrupt the thread?
Because you seem to do a really good job at that.
##VOTE: TOTAL_EPICNESS
I stated the only explanation that has been given. For why mord was targeted by scum for NK, my belief is that they wanted him dead to prevent any further attacking of Camo if Camo is mafia. If anyone else has an interpretation, I'm willing to hear it.
It's just as likely if not more to be framing Camo unfortunately. Morda isn't a player whose attacks are really that influential or feared tbh (sorry morda).
##VOTE: TOTAL_EPICNESS
I don't really see Lele's side here, but I haven't liked the posting just in general and want to hop onto some wagon.
My only qualm with the whole "was mordacazir protected" thing is "Why was morda the nightkill target?" There was plenty of negative attention on morda, after all. Did anyone get driven to mord / drive someone to mord, maybe?
@Tapu Lele, is your vote because: TE noticed Roz's comment (that "the result wasn't valid"), but didn't notice where Aqua said he was specifically told that his action was successful? ... I don't follow why that's scummy at all. People miss sentences all the time, especially if they're part of paragraphs because people don't always feel like reading paragraphs.
I also think Aqua's vote / case on Camo is ridiculous, because there's no reason why Camo can't just be town, and this coincidental. (Camo was suspicious of morda Day 1, so town Camo - without any knowledge of morda being protected - would absolutely continue to pressure morda Day 2.)
I've already said that this it was my impression. I can't tell you specifically why I had that impression because that's just not stuff that everyone remembers. If you were in fact the only person to suggest explicitly or implicitly that the Camoclone wagon was awful (which I doubt because the wagon was awful), then I can only speculate. Maybe you were being particularly assertive, maybe Camo was being particularly assertive (and I can't imagine a universe where Camo wouldn't have been saying that the case was rubbish), my personal bias (that the case was awful) probably played a part, maybe the town was apathetic / ignored the situation and I read into the situation, maybe that part of the thread was all I read that sitting, and so my mind emphasised it more than usual... I don't know.
Why do you think that I would have said that the 'town widely agreed that the Camoclone case sucked' if I didn't believe it? The context of my saying that was to essentially defend morda (to show why I discounted some of the apparent evidence on him); why would I be saying whatever to fit in - something random / something I wasn't sure of - when my intentions were to defend someone? That would be pointless because noone will listen to you if your reasons are nonsense.
@Tapu Lele, is your vote because: TE noticed Roz's comment (that "the result wasn't valid"), but didn't notice where Aqua said he was specifically told that his action was successful? ... I don't follow why that's scummy at all. People miss sentences all the time, especially if they're part of paragraphs because people don't always feel like reading paragraphs.
I also think Aqua's vote / case on Camo is ridiculous, because there's no reason why Camo can't just be town, and this coincidental. (Camo was suspicious of morda Day 1, so town Camo - without any knowledge of morda being protected - would absolutely continue to pressure morda Day 2.)
I've already said that this it was my impression. I can't tell you specifically why I had that impression because that's just not stuff that everyone remembers. If you were in fact the only person to suggest explicitly or implicitly that the Camoclone wagon was awful (which I doubt because the wagon was awful), then I can only speculate. Maybe you were being particularly assertive, maybe Camo was being particularly assertive (and I can't imagine a universe where Camo wouldn't have been saying that the case was rubbish), my personal bias (that the case was awful) probably played a part, maybe the town was apathetic / ignored the situation and I read into the situation, maybe that part of the thread was all I read that sitting, and so my mind emphasised it more than usual... I don't know.
Why do you think that I would have said that the 'town widely agreed that the Camoclone case sucked' if I didn't believe it? The context of my saying that was to essentially defend morda (to show why I discounted some of the apparent evidence on him); why would I be saying whatever to fit in - something random / something I wasn't sure of - when my intentions were to defend someone? That would be pointless because noone will listen to you if your reasons are nonsense.
##VOTE: NP I'm pretty confident with this vote, because we've seen an inconsistent progression with his votes / reads across the board. He flip-flopped over his read on scattered (neutral -> innocent -> neutralish/innocent -> scummy) without there being any real development in the case. He voted on-and-off with the morda wagon (more or less whenever the morda wagon was a convenient push). His vote now on TE is very vague; he doesn't say why he doesn't like TE's posts in general.
That's actualy ridiculous.
You want to lynch someone cause he protected someone. Wasn't even told about save, just protect.
It's not even close to be worth of mechanical lynch.
Learn to read people if you need to base your lynches on stuff like that.
I have a mechanical reason to think that mord was NOT attacked.
Take it as you wish, but that's the reason why I asked if he saved someone or just protected.
I'm ccing the base of his theory.
You now outed 2 PRs cause of some weird us mechanical conclusions.
Also, while we are at PRs in game, someone took my points last night.
I'm ccing the base of his theory.
You now outed 2 PRs cause of some weird us mechanical conclusions.
Also, while we are at PRs in game, someone took my points last night.
Weird ass*
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Pressure on PMJ while he knows that he's away not that scummy and not that important but still noteworthy that the pressure here is weird.
Actually a good town post but the pressure on Aqua is insane. The only thing Aqua did 'wrong' was not explain his post further while I think the post was quite clear.
Implies that its weird that someone thinks Camo isn't town/that he himself is town which is manipulative.
Again, the same as above but more obvious.
The thing is that the 'tagging players doesnt give you town credit'-post can be read as both a attack on Scattered and a general statement. Camo is trying to provoke a reaction from scattered here by saying that, and if scattered wouldnt have reacted everything wouldve been just fine (or Camo couldve mentioned Scattered not reacting to that post which with enough twisting can be painted as scummy, but maybe thats reaching too far). Sadly, that didnt happen, so Camo took the opportunity and used it to make Scattered as scummy.
The conclusions Camo intentionally put there to make scattered scummy.
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I agree that the pressure vote on PMJ and that particular interaction with scattered where he said "but you [scattered] jumped to conclusions" when that wasn't the case are both weird, but how are they indicative or particularly telling, especially in Camo's case? Otherwise, I think you made a very interesting point, that Camo implied it 'to be weird if someone finds Camo not-town' and I am very interested in Camo's response on this, because it is manipulative and I do not see how he could be of pro-town benefit.
When someone asks a bad question like “why did you vote blank” it deserves a bad answer. Far too often on this site someone places a vote then is asked to explain it. The voter then immediately says “it was for pressure” which eliminates any and all weight the vote might have.
This is the post where SM assumes he was seen as scummy.
I don’t like this.
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##VOTE: PMJ
This post isn’t all wrong but a lot of the points are bad. Why not protect on town zero? That’s actually the smart town move. I don’t like a vote on a claimed doctor. Why would you vote a claimed doctor immediately. Nick while being logically faulty does actually appear to be a new town doctor. If he was scum and they came up with this plan I’m sure someone would tell him how bad it was. I’ll add more later.
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There's no reason a doctor should have to protect on night zero. That's why I thought it was suspicious. He lied just last game about stuff that happened during the night, and the whole 'scum would say it's a bad plan' is wifom. He's also openly distancing himself from the idea of being scum.
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