alex said:
I'm just going to get all the reasons why it is so hard for me to be a wolf in one place:
1) When the lynch was between me and a wolf, 3/4 wolves were voting me and PMJ was being PMJ.
2) Napoleon Bonaparte supported the Revolution and was definitely not a Royalist.
3) Since I would be the last wolf, I would have the Alpha Wolf ability. If I did, not only would Chaos Jackal have had a 1/3 chance of finding it originally but I would certainly not be asking him to target me AGAIN. This should be the most convincing one.
Invalid points... Except probably the first one.
The second can be explained quite simply. Napoleon is on a quest for power. Your ability clearly translates this into your increasing vote count. Eventually, you will be a hindrance to the town.
Point 3 is invalid because if you were a wolf that could kill (which I doubt, as I'm rather convinced you are, in fact, an independent role) you could simply kill Jackal and not worry about it.
Points 2 and 3 go for me being an Invader as well, assuming Invaders all have the special kill ability. And also, my Survival ability protects me from Invaders, so no way I can really be one with that ability.
It isn't difficult to fake an ability and keep the name.
And yes, you could definitely be the only one with that ability. The possibility always exists.
Now obviously if you wanted to you can easily find counters to each of these points I made. But that doesn't change the fact, that when you add it all together to paint a picture, it should seem highly unlikely for me to be a wolf.
You're right, the points are so easy to counter, in fact, that they barely count. However, you are also correct in that it is very unlikely for you to be a wolf. It is, however,
extremely probable that you are an indie.
Congrats, you countered all my points yet still agreed with me.
Like you said yourself, would that not be so extremely overpowered on any role that wasn't town? If Luis was killed early, and I was an Invader/Wolf, I would pretty much just have to survive till around Day 7 and then I autowin it for my team. And it wouldn't be too hard to do that either because of my Survival ability. Just think about it, the only way this role would be balanced would be if it were on a town role. Luis role was not necessarily made with my role in mind. Many games have vote-reducing roles.
This point is completely valid... If you had a team. Your role could
also be balanced if you were an indie. You are not cleared town by any means with this logic alone.
And yes, I strongly beieve Luis' role was created to counter yours. However, if my theory is correct in that you only require a set ammount of votes to win the game (whether it is your cap of six, or the cap is a lie, I'm not sure) to win... Then Luis can't help us unless his power resets your votes (which obviously it doesn't [I think]).
My role would not be balanced as an indie because I would have no goal. If like you said I won by having a set amount of votes, then I gain nothing from having the votes. They might as well serve no purpose other than being simply a counter till I win. That's a pretty lame role, to just say "You win on Day 5" or something.
alex said:
Keeper, I am confused. Only in one post have I talked about a Kecleon lynch, and in another I voted him but that was mostly only to prove my vote count. Maybe you misread the post you quoted? I was not talking about lynching Kecleon. Quite the opposite in fact, I was saying Luis' reasons for fosing Kecleon weren't very smart.
alex said:
Luis, Kecleon has been the biggest advocate for my lynch all day. Unless you think that was all one massive bus, I would not say him changing his mind means we in the same pack.
Dude. Read my posts for god's sake. ESPECIALLY when it is a response to YOU.
alex said:
Keeper, I am confused. Only in one post have I talked about a Kecleon lynch, and in another I voted him but that was mostly only to prove my vote count. Maybe you misread the post you quoted? I was not talking about lynching Kecleon. Quite the opposite in fact, I was saying Luis' reasons for fosing Kecleon weren't very smart.
I'm not going to argue with you on this second paragraph. This is your opinion, and considering you have been wanting my lynch all day I can tell there is nothing I will be able to do to change it.
Good idea.
Ice Espeon's finding below should make you not fear this. And I won't really have a way to prove to you that my vote caps at 6 until, like, Day 9. But if what Ice Espeon found is actually true, you will be able to lynch me no matter what.
While I'm not 100% sure on Kecleon, I simply am indifferent on his lynch. There are good points for it, so I agree with the evidence, nothing more.
My point is, Day 9 may be too late. And what if your "Survival" ability isn't what you word it to be? You're rather calm about all this (all of a sudden, after the outburst at the beginning of the day), which makes me wonder if you're actually immune to death in a different way. First attempt to kill you maybe? It would make sense at least, and keeps a whole faction off of you (Invaders). Easy for you too, because the Royalists are running thin, and whoever is left won't kill you. Like, you said, if we try and lynch you Day 9... It may not even work. I'd like to figure this out today, before we instant lose to something as obvious as Napoleon. -.-
Ok. More making things up.
Now, what you say here is wrong. If Kecleon is scum, while he may not be getting stronger, he is certainly weakening us. Every night the wolf is alive he can kill another one of us. The earlier we kill him, the more time we will have to deal with other threats, and me.
Kill another one of us, or an invader. There's also the chance Kecleon isn't the last scum, so it may or may not matter for now.
But as I said, if it eventually comes down to us needing to lynch him over you, works for me. Eliminates a suspect.
It will never come down to us "needing" to lynch him over me. It's about who we should lynch.
While I do get stronger as the days go on, I am currently not a threat, and because the needed vote count increases by 1 every time I gain a vote count, I will never be a threat. I will never, ever be able to lynch someone on my own, and that seems to be what you guys are most scared of. My role is made so that I, a townie, will have more power over the daily lynch than a wolf, an Invader, or even other townies. It is just a power like any other.
Objection!
Unless what I suspect above is correct, and you live through the eventual lynch on you. Then that buys yourself an extra day.
You may even try to pass it off as "I lied so the invaders didn't take me out, and we could get rid of the royalists. We need all the votes we can get at this point." Or something similar.
Unless I am wrong, then you're right, you're no threat. Unless you continue to get more townies to vote with you.
An assumption based off of something you made up earlier in the post.
Good job in noticing this Ice Espeon. If this is happens every day like it is, this should allow you guys to feel a lot safer keeping me alive, as I will not be able to do the "ninja and instakill" you guys are worried about in the later days.
To some degree, it does make me feel much much better.
But simply thinking, if you are "climbing the ladder of success," there obviously must be a top. Maybe when you reach your cap of 6 (if the cap is there, or maybe there is another condition) you either switch alignments (like TT said before) or outright win (unlikely, but you never know)
If it makes you feel better, why are you still pushing for my lynch just as hard with no consideration of other lynches? And in hypothetical ladders, there isn't always a top. It's juts a role name, you can't dig too deep into it.
As for who I think we should lynch today, FMPOV, Jeremy has seemed extremely suspect today. He has been pushing extremely hard for my lynch without any regard for anything I, or anyone else, says in my defense. He has also complete disregard for the case of killing the wolf first and coming back for me, without any counterargument, just saying we should not do it. All he seems to care about is that I am lynched above all else, making it seem to me that he is just trying to keep this wagon where it is in order to waste (again, fmpov) today's lynch on me instead of considering other options .
Does the end of every one of your posts have to be trying to push suspicion on somebody else?
I'll take a moment to do this:
As for who I think we should lynch today, FMPOV, Jeremy Keeper of Night has seemed extremely suspect today. He has been pushing extremely hard for my lynch without any regard for anything I, or anyone else, says in my defense. He has also complete disregard for the case of killing the wolf first and coming back for me, without any counterargument, just saying we should not do it. All he seems to care about is that I am lynched above all else, making it seem to me that he is just trying to keep this wagon where it is in order to waste (again, fmpov) today's lynch on me instead of considering other options .
Yes, it fits about the same.
The only reason you didn't use the above, imo, is to avoid looking scummy by pressing on OMGUS.
The only reason I didn't use the above is because you are confirmed town. Doing it for Jeremy is just as OMGUS as doing it for you would've been. You're both voting for me.
