TDK (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX / Kyurem)

RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

What is everybody's opinion on teching in a single Victini EX? It can be a pain for VirGen, and if you need it late game to just finish off an EX, you can just scramble switch.
 
RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

I cut kuyrem and just run lugia thunduras deoxys due to all the tool scrapper bangle and mirror aren't worth it. Also you run a heavy scrapper count yourself.
 
RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

DrunkSpinda said:
As of now, I am testing with this Poké line:

4 Deoxys ex
2 Thundurus ex
3 Kyurem
2 Absol


what do you guys think?
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This is exactly what I am running... works very well with Silver Bangle.
 
RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

I personally dont like the two absol thing.
 
RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

Yeah, I'd cut down to one so you can get more TSS in.
 
RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

I find Keldo/float stone essential in this deck. Not only does it help against Lasers, but also resets Kyurem's Blizzard Burn.
 
RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

Personally, I think both have pros and cons... I have tested a list with Keldeo/Float Stone, and I have my Absol version with heavy Bangle. They both have seen the same amount of success. It just comes down to personal preference in my mind.
 
RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

How necessary do you guys think a Lugia EX is? Because personally I'd rather just focus on Kyurem, and the only time I'd use Lugia is to Scramble Switch off a Kyurem to take 3 Prizes for the win out of nowhere.
 
RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

Sheriff_K said:
How necessary do you guys think a Lugia EX is? Because personally I'd rather just focus on Kyurem, and the only time I'd use Lugia is to Scramble Switch off a Kyurem to take 3 Prizes for the win out of nowhere.
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Lugia EX definitely isn't necessary in this deck. If you play Scramble Switch, I would probably play 1, just for some crazy come-from-behind wins. But if you're playing any other Ace Spec, I would either not play it at all, or make a Lugia focused list, with DCE's, and maybe even Frozen City like Johnny Rabus did.
 
RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

Umm.. you can only have one ACE SPEC anyways, you do know that, right?
 
RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

wrags23 said:
Umm.. you can only have one ACE SPEC anyways, you do know that, right?
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That's probably why he said he'd play Lugia with Scramble Switch but not with another Ace Spec...?

Lugia is definitely not a staple in the deck, but it is decent as a 1-of in some lists.
 
RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

Speaking of Frozen City, that card is ridiculously nice for the Blastoise matchup. Not only does it get rid of their Tropical Beach early-game so you can get a better start on them, but it also means Keldeo and Black Kyurem are much easier to 1-shot. If they ever get enough energy to attack, they immediately become within OHKO range for Kyurem even without Silver Bangle or the help of Deoxys.

I think Silver Bangle in this deck is a must. Hitting that magic 170/180 becomes so much easier if you don't play LaserBank. 120 from Kyurem + 30 from Bangle means you need 2 Deoxys to OHKO most EXs and only 3 Deoxys for the peskier ones. Not to mention having a Frozen City makes it that much easier.
 
RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

I think frozen city helps a little bit in the virinesect match up in the turns 1-2. Since virizion isn't a plasma Pokemon until they get a plasma badge onto it. Even if they do you should be running at least 3 scrapper( though you'd want to conserve these for g booster). I know it seems stupid but at least you don't run 6 dead cards in your deck.

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RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

I only run 2 Scrapper. G Booster is an ACE Spec, so only one to deal with per game. Silver Mirror can get REALLY annoying, but ideally with enough Catchers/Scrappers, you can get 6 prizes anyways.

I've actually taken out the Frozen City in my deck now. I prefer getting to 170/180 with Kyurem, Bangle, and Deoxys alone - not too hard without it, and now I can run cards to focus on the all-too-common mirror match.

How do you guys feel about Silver Mirror in Plasma?
 
RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

Scizorliscious said:
How do you guys feel about Silver Mirror in Plasma?
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The same way I felt about Enhanced Hammer in Plasma. It's tough to run, but can work as a mirror counter.
 
RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

Would you run Hammer or Mirror? I feel like both have strong points, but really can't decide which would be more useful. Especially since Hammer helps in some other matchups as well.
 
RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

Uhm people run shadow triad to get back the gbooster from the discard

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RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

Right, but only one copy to deal with per game. Shadow Triad means they can't refresh that turn.

G Booster lets them get the OHKO for a turn, but let's be honest, it's not that hard to get the OHKO back in general. Even if you can't, Tool Scrapper is an option.
 
RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

Pretty true, but once every deck starts to run more than 2 tool scrappers maybe they'll up their shadow triads. Then again they have to attach the 2 energy they just discarded

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So I'd say shadow triad would be pointless. Maybe just use it for the last 2 prizes

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RE: Plasma (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

You guys are forgeting about one thing, Genesect can use G-Booster and discard one DCE for the attack cost, so they can just attach one energy (Plasma) and KO one Deoxys even using Shadow Triad to get the Ace Spec.
 
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