You got me wrong. I'm not asking for a Crysis like graphic in Pokémon. Hell no! I couldn't cope with that at all. I like the current 3D graphic, since it suits Pokémon perfectly. The thing I cannot comprehend is the fact, that this graphic is nothing new in the industry. So how the hell can you be so occupied with the most basic form of 3D graphic nowadays, that you nearly throw every tradition Pokémon had out of the window. That sounds ridiculous and unprofessional to me.
The XY graphics are new in the industry. for a lot of rendering software, it's
very hard to interpret and show 3d images as 2d drawings, their new engine not only does that, but it also shades everything as sugimori would, that's probably the hardest part, making an engine that is equal to the art of a real person.
And they were so occupied with "not" the most basic form of 3d graphics that they couldnt give so much time to the rest of the stuff. You see the production of the game as casuality, it seems, as various threads all going to the same place, but it actually is causality, like all the threads intertwining in different intervals, thay simply can't say "okay, some of you make pokemon, some make a groundbreaking story, some make awesome music and some make a fully new engine". They have limitations too.
Exactly , when appropriate. Now, I'm having really hard issues, justifying the release of XY as appropriate, because it lacks things (that are nearly a tradition by now), the past generations didn't.
True, they added a lot of new things to the game too, but that is the point of expanding a series. Upgrading it, while keeping the good stuff from the past parts in it.
And it is kinda relevant. Given the development time you can see how well organized the company behind the game is. All of these games are masterpieces which don't show the same pattern (at least not in every aspect) throughout the series.
And what are traditions? GF broke a lot of them this gen and the past one, to the point we are not even sure of what's to come in the future; will it be two games? RSE remakes? sequels? pokemon 0? pokemon Z? will they release half of the pokedex next year? was this all of gen VI?
I certainly agree, but it's up to the developers how they handle their story. If you're already follow the same pattern for a decade, which I absolutely don't mind, then IMPROVE FOR F*CK'S SAKE.
That's like ordering a cheeseburger and the waitress tells you "Oh we have a new burger, that is like the cheeseburger, only better and a bit more expensive".
You say "Sh*t, aight, bring me the good stuff" and she brings you a Hamburger, which is decorated prettier than the cheeseburger, but at the end you got less out of it and paid more.
Yes, story isn't the pokemon franchise's forte, and it is damn time they get around to improving it.
Comparing to Pokémon's evolution througout the years, scale alone can be called a step up imo. But yeah, between those two the details didn't get much better.
And scale did improve: now we have fully 3d worlds, beautiful landscapes, camera motions, a surprisingly long drawing distance and more.
And here again you're pointing out a difference between GameFreak and mostly any other company on this world. They're improving things, while GameFreak just cuts traditions off if it means too much work.
Pokémon's core construct is perfect itself. The only thing left is improvement. To be fair, GameFreak does improve their games, but compared to some other games those are smaller than babysteps. This gen really had it coming, before release you were expecting all kinds of stuff because it seemed like Pokémon but way more awesome. But then after release, you got hit with the truck of reality. You paid a very high price for a graphic that should be taken for granted even for the Nintendo market.
"a difference between GameFreak and mostly any other company on this world. They're improving things"
call of duty. FIFA 15, aliens: colonial marines, Assasins creed III (just in story, though, they did improve
some stuff), resident evil 6, etc.
"You paid a very high price for a graphic that should be taken for granted even for the Nintendo market."
You answered your own question here:
"I like the current 3D graphic, since it suits Pokémon perfectly" if it's perfect, do you really care if it's less than other games? which, as I said before, has to do with the capabilities of all nintendo hardware compared to their competitors and the game's own art style. Look at kirby's epic yarn; its graphics are charming and beautiful, yet, it's not so different from a sprite/layer based game. In a fourth gen system.
And the XY graphics are, for the moment, the best in the 3ds's gallery, so, should they be really taken for granted?
The thing I was trying to point out here was not the lack of Pokémon being played on other systems but the width. It's not the same programing a game for the Wii U and for the Xbox. It's time consuming to program one game for 5 different system. Truth be told, there was some release difference between some of the systems. Pokémon is released only for the DS (which I don't mind, I was even ready to buy the 3DS), which means that the whole development time can be focused on the game, since you're programming it one way.
Actually, games are programmed in only one system (usually Xbox, I believe, though I could be mistaken), and
later ported to other systems. many times it's just programming in-engine and later merged with system-specific features (look at RE: revelations, it uses the same engine as RE5 but it was developed for 3DS and later ported with the same quality to PS4 and PC).
Cool story (don't mean to offend), but now they're rich as f*** and can certainly use some of their wealth to hire more staff if they're lacking personal to develop a rather decent game.
I can't really talk for GF here, but I'd guess they want to remain relatively small.
Well, it seemed like with BW they were just about to take the story a bit more into focus. They were taking ethical and moral aspects into the story, which were necessary. I mean it cannot be taken for granted that you put a living being into a god damn ball for most of the time.
This time we have some rich ass moron that is having issues... wait you're not through with the game, so I don't wanna spoiler you. But you'll see yourself that this "plot" makes no sense from beginning to the end, even for Japanese standards this was more than shitty ( and I've seen a lot of shitty stories in my life).
I heard some people saying they liked the story, I heard many others villifing it... so far, the pacing is terrible, the characters shallow, lysandre is plain ridiculous, the flare guys make me want to pull a shotgun and blow them in the head when they are voguing, the gym leaders could be cardboard cutouts for all the good they make, and I'm getting tired of getting free stuff from people without much reason ("hey! you defeated my sister! here, take this exp. all.") and not being able to get into places for stupid reasosns ("oh, you are not stylish enough, so we don't want your non stylish money" f*** off, lady, just let me buy, the only other store sells stupid sporty stuff, I want classy shit, like what you have here.).
This is not about caution, this is pure rip off. If I'd try to be cautious, I would have improved my already good qualities and wouldn't waste my money on some random screams that nearly nobody gives a damn about.
I wasn't criticizing the graphic, I was trying to point out that they hadn't to worry about improving the graphic, since it couldn't be done due to the console. This is a very important point, since developers usually have to make sure to keep their graphic up to date. GameFreak didn't had the need to worry about such things and could focus on "better" story and such.
Well, if they hadn't improved the pokemon cries, people would have complained about having a game so advanced but still hearing the old cries. I remember that when the first trailers came out, one of the
very first things people noticed was the updated cries on old pokemon. You said that before, without improving much in graphics GF could focus in better story. They didn't. Now, when they
are focusing on the graphics, they probably couldn't focus on the story even if they wanted to ,which they didn't before. Let's just hope the next games are way better, with the graphics issue already cleared out in XY.
I agree to 100%. Yet we have just 69 new Pokémon, a new type this generation and MegaEvolutions. One of those standards GameFreak dropped this generation. With 69 new Pokémon you're having a hard time to make even Version exclusives. One can count the Mega Pokémon as new Pokémon, but I certainly don't. That'd make Shaymin's, Giratina's, Keldeo's, Meloetta's, Deoxy's, etc. alternative forms new Pokémon too.
Like I said, it's more about the development aspect than the variety aspect.
They are the best, but they have no competition in Pokémon (at least not for the edition part in Pokémon), so they're the best and worst at the same time.
They do have competition. time, maturity, themselves, a thousand different videogames, any of those things can take fans away from pokemon in a second. The only reason pokemon is still as relevant as it is now is that in the 90s it was just too big to fall. now it's weakened, but far away from death.
That's why I'm hoping this drop in quality is just because of the switch to 3D and not something we can expect so see one more time.
I mean, as shitty as I may make it sound, I still love the game, for different reasons (memories for example). That's one magical quality Pokémon has and won't lose throughout the generations.
Yet, I'm sceptic about the generations after the veterans stop playing Pokémon. Most of us started with Day 1 of Pokémon. This makes us and the games special, since it followed us through our lives and we followed it through it's whole development up until now. I doubt that the players that started with Hoenn, Sinnoh or Unova will feel this way towards Pokémon and not to mention the new players that will start with generation 7 or 9. As a Pokémon lover since day 1, I'm warning GameFreak to be prepared to keep improving from now on with bigger steps, because all the generations after us are and will be more demanding.
They won't see Pokémon as a whole and won't know the progress it made with every generation, but will just see it as one game next to 1000000 other games on the market.
I agree.
Now, I'll abstain from tis conversation because I have a lot to do and writing so much really gets my wrists tired, and I need them for other stuff.
