Obama won!
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You took it out of context, yet again. when I said living, I was referring to the live fetus, which is living, breathing, growing, and moving. Fits all of the 6 characteristics of living to me.Puff said:
So a fetus, with human cells, isn't a human? Then are we not humans or livinf?Glace said:
Given time, a fetus can grow into the next Einstein.
Given time, a fingernail, a bug, and a plant are still vegetables.
Given time, a fingernail, a bug, and a plant are still vegetables.
doublenikesocks said:
Not yet. They are still forming, and are not human. Early fetuses do not breath until a few months in.
A hair has human cells. When people get their hair cut nobody is killed.
HypnoticLuxray said:
lolol, good one. (seriously).
I probably shouldn't but I'll say something. In my opinion, from the instant a fetus is formed it is living so abortion, in my view, is murder. And the fact that you guys are comparing unborn babies to plants and bugs is inaccurate to say the least.
I leave to play Halo 4 and come back to this. :V
I don't really know how this discussion came to the topic of abortion. If you want to know where Obama stands on abortion, just look it up. No need to spam up what was supposed to be a type of congratulatory thread with that crap.
I don't really know how this discussion came to the topic of abortion. If you want to know where Obama stands on abortion, just look it up. No need to spam up what was supposed to be a type of congratulatory thread with that crap.
You have every right to say something.
The instant a fetus is formed, it is living, sure, but it is not a baby. It is not murder because though it is technically alive, it isn't a baby. It is a fetus, is not breathing or anything.
The comparison is because they both contain living cells. The hair comparison is the most accurate, I admit.
The instant a fetus is formed, it is living, sure, but it is not a baby. It is not murder because though it is technically alive, it isn't a baby. It is a fetus, is not breathing or anything.
The comparison is because they both contain living cells. The hair comparison is the most accurate, I admit.
ShadowLugia said:
This was the point I was trying to make.
Instead, I got called a whiner, and was forcefully dragged into this conversation.
We're pushing our chances with an election thread, God only knows what an abortion thread would bring.
But if the mods OK it, then I suppose it's fine. I just think threads like these are supposed to give us some healthy discussion, and let us learn more about our country and other countries as result. They're not supposed to make a certain person feel bad or make them think they're wrong. That's the whole point of a political discussion.
But if the mods OK it, then I suppose it's fine. I just think threads like these are supposed to give us some healthy discussion, and let us learn more about our country and other countries as result. They're not supposed to make a certain person feel bad or make them think they're wrong. That's the whole point of a political discussion.
People, really? I created this thread to talk about Obama becoming the president again, not abortion. So can we please get back on topic? Thank you.
J
Juliacoolo
I see nothing wrong with talking about abortion. Any element of Romney's or Obama's policies are relevant to this discussion.
Anyone who is against heated arguments can execute their right to not participate.
As for abortion, and many other sensitive issues of that likelihood, we have to remember than any personal opinions should not influence the law of the public body. Like Obama and Biden, I am against it at a personal level. However, it would be wrong to dictate what women can do with their bodies as a national policy. I think that there should be a timeframe of course, we obviously can't abort 8.5 month olds. What that number is I'm not sure, but a number is needed indeed.
Anyone who is against heated arguments can execute their right to not participate.
As for abortion, and many other sensitive issues of that likelihood, we have to remember than any personal opinions should not influence the law of the public body. Like Obama and Biden, I am against it at a personal level. However, it would be wrong to dictate what women can do with their bodies as a national policy. I think that there should be a timeframe of course, we obviously can't abort 8.5 month olds. What that number is I'm not sure, but a number is needed indeed.
Yes, abortion does fit into presidential policies. That, however, was not the intended topic for the thread. I could see it being mentioned, but I'm not sure if this is the right place for a discussion on that particular topic. If someone wants to make a thread on it, then all of the power to them.
Teal said:
High gas makes transportation in the U.S. extremely difficult in the case If gas prices are around $5 a gallon or higher and without a good energy policy to lower the cost of fuel for transportation Americans will suffer much more than they already are right now.
The National Average is still around $3-4 a gallon with the exception of some areas where it's $5+ a gallon still. I'd rather not resort to taking the bus or a taxi cab to work If I ever had a driver's license, heck people should still be allowed to drive themselves to work and other places at an affordable rate.
The best way for America to rely less on foreign oil is to tap into our Natural Gas reserves and other sources of fuel for transportation, only problem is that Oil Companies like OPEC won't allow us to pursue it because they don't want to lose money on their business and it might cause a rift of relations between our friends from Saudi Arabia.
Teal said:
Israel does, have you been living under a rock in the last several years? Ahmadinejad wants to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth and the United States isn't going to allow them to achieve that goal at all. Israel is our strongest ally in the Middle East and they need our support regardless of how Obama and Netanyahu don't get along all that well.
If Iran is able to get a nuclear weapon in the next 4 years and tries to bomb Israel with it then that would start a nuclear arms race across the world and destroy the global economy in the process which could be much worse If the U.S. Government decides to jump off the Fiscal Cliff in the next 2 months. People used to think Pakistan was a serious threat at one point but once they got the bomb nothing happened due to their leader not being a ruthless dictator.
J
Juliacoolo
CSJ, you nailed it. The solution to America's problems is to lower gas prices! We can all call up our local Dollar Tree stores and ask them to start selling gasoline by the gallon.
I have to disagree with you about natural gas though. The cons of hydraulic fracturing far outweigh the benefits, with so many other superior options.
You're right about Iran though. How can we trust those shady middle-easterners to govern themselves? It is obvious that our only path is to protect the American citizen by using their tax dollars to meddle in Iran's treacherous ways!
I have to disagree with you about natural gas though. The cons of hydraulic fracturing far outweigh the benefits, with so many other superior options.
You're right about Iran though. How can we trust those shady middle-easterners to govern themselves? It is obvious that our only path is to protect the American citizen by using their tax dollars to meddle in Iran's treacherous ways!
Jay said:
You're not even being realistic about this, there's alot of solutions to America's problems but the U.S. Government needs to take care of it one problem at a time. As for Iran, I find it sad that you actually take them for granted considering that they've been aiding Islamic Terrorist Organizations like
al-qaeda, the Taliban, and Hamas.
So what If the U.S. Government uses people's tax dollars to keep us safe, better safe than having to get involved in a potential nuclear holocaust in the Middle East. But as much as I hate to admit this when it comes to us and our enemies we're no better than they are and it probably begs the question as to how our political climate would've been like If the events of 9/11 back in 2001 never occured.
Not to be confused with the 9/11 attacks this year in Benghazi where 4 Americans including one of our Ambassador's was killed which sparked confusion from a terrible YouTube video to insult Muslims to an inside job by a terrorist organization. The U.S. gained an ally in the Middle East with Libya at the cost of losing Egypt as an ally from the takeover of the Muslim Brotherhood in that region.
I'm laughing at the idiots saying Obama will make us fully socialist and eventually communist. The structure of our government and the Constitution will not allow for a communist/socialist America. For god's sake this isn't the 1950s, we don't run around shitting our pants at the thought of the color red. >_> We have what you could say are socialist programs, but that doesn't make us a socialist nation. Parts and pieces of other government systems aren't unholy evil. America has for a very long time been known as a melting pot.
And for idiots saying the president doesn't matter, you're deluding yourself. The president plays a huge role in the government and in how America will be shaped for years to come. Ever heard of John Fitzgerald Kennedy? Yeah, he wanted us to reach the moon. Must be some big coincidence we happened to reach the moon soon after, right? Ronald Regan? Ever hear of "Reaganomics"? Reagan's ideas are part of the reason we're in so much debt at the moment (for the people at the time, however, it was great). Don't tell me the president doesn't matter.
Now, I'll be exiting this thread and leave it to rot.
And for idiots saying the president doesn't matter, you're deluding yourself. The president plays a huge role in the government and in how America will be shaped for years to come. Ever heard of John Fitzgerald Kennedy? Yeah, he wanted us to reach the moon. Must be some big coincidence we happened to reach the moon soon after, right? Ronald Regan? Ever hear of "Reaganomics"? Reagan's ideas are part of the reason we're in so much debt at the moment (for the people at the time, however, it was great). Don't tell me the president doesn't matter.
Now, I'll be exiting this thread and leave it to rot.
Non Sequitur, you can't brush away "the greed thing" just by calling it "the greed card". It's not just a "card" when it's the truth.
The fact that you don't care that socialism works just shows how narrow minded you are being, this kind of socialism it's NOTHING like communism and contrary to your fantasies, it doesn't lead to communism (the most "communist" party in Finland has ZERO seats in the parliament and thus it has been disbanded again [2011] until the next election where it will obviously be disbanded again for the fourth time xP) and please show me how people are dying in Finland because they get the chance to live a life worth living no matter if they are from a wealthy family or not. And no, an unemployed person does not get as much money as someone with a job. I don't know what your fantasies about work are, but there are loads of easy jobs that are not stressing and which almost nobody who actually tries them would mind doing for the "big extra money". Also if you are unemployed you have to constantly search for a job or educate yourself in order to get that money. The only "problem" are those jobs which pay minimum wages, but apparently someone does these jobs too as these companies can afford to pay so little money so there!
Finland's unemployment rate was 7,8% in 2011 (USA: 8,9%).
I hope you wake up one day, look in the mirror and say "good morning".
The fact that you don't care that socialism works just shows how narrow minded you are being, this kind of socialism it's NOTHING like communism and contrary to your fantasies, it doesn't lead to communism (the most "communist" party in Finland has ZERO seats in the parliament and thus it has been disbanded again [2011] until the next election where it will obviously be disbanded again for the fourth time xP) and please show me how people are dying in Finland because they get the chance to live a life worth living no matter if they are from a wealthy family or not. And no, an unemployed person does not get as much money as someone with a job. I don't know what your fantasies about work are, but there are loads of easy jobs that are not stressing and which almost nobody who actually tries them would mind doing for the "big extra money". Also if you are unemployed you have to constantly search for a job or educate yourself in order to get that money. The only "problem" are those jobs which pay minimum wages, but apparently someone does these jobs too as these companies can afford to pay so little money so there!
Finland's unemployment rate was 7,8% in 2011 (USA: 8,9%).
This is a bad way to think... "pay for him". If I worked really hard and all I would get like 5 000€ a month and he gets like 700€, and even if he was stupid I do think that he deserves to live a humane life. Also, you can totally not generalize that unemployed people are "class clowns" or other people like that.
I hope you wake up one day, look in the mirror and say "good morning".