Finished Mafia LXI: Forest Fire: Game Over!
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(god i hate and love this multiquote system)
...have you been reading the thread? BB is the one who started the push on Ephe so them being scum is a large leap from my POV at least
I tend to assume scum knows what they are doing, its something I will have to keep in mind here though. Leaving Ephe out to dry just doesn't make sense in this stage of the game at all
Why in the emperor's name do you choose to make what is essentially meta read when you don't have a clear game to pull from both alignments??? It just makes no logical sense. I smell fishy business afoot here
...have you been reading the thread? BB is the one who started the push on Ephe so them being scum is a large leap from my POV at least
this triggers me to no end. I am solving.
I said i'd stop with the defense posts, because people are wayyyy too tunneled on me, and it's no longer worth the time to disprove everything, and when I do defend myself I'm accused of not solving. Ugh.
Jade is the most town player here now. His latest posts have been a random collection of thoughts, and that's just it – it's his thoughts, with no agenda behind them, and it definitely doesn't read like someone setting up chain miselims.
Re: my wagon. Of the four, I think the most likely scum as of right now are cel/bb – to answer Vom's question, before Cel returned to the thread I wasn't sure if he was more likely to be scum than, say, mega. But I don't like his reentry, although I should come back in maybe an hour or so and see if this isn't just me being tilted.
Why is Cel's reentry scummy as heck? Because there's like no original thought there – it's discrediting me, spirit voting me cuz i'm "scummy" (i'm the easiest wagon, and his vote's already there), and no other real thoughts. It's setting up to put shade on my reads, even after scum score the miselim on me and I flip town.
The multi-quote used to work properly y'know >.>
Find evidence please. Your evidence on me has so far constituted of "I don't like his tone" and "I've felt he is off". You better be scum because you're running a very persistent smear campaign on me right now >.>
@Vom seemed to think this too, but I don't think it's a true metaread. I think Celever has picked up on a scumtell (OMGUS), and as since OMGUS can often be NAI, he's pointed out why he thinks it is alignment indicative (i.e. using meta).
Please. Stop. Talking. About. The. Four.
Find evidence please. Your evidence on me has so far constituted of "I don't like his tone" and "I've felt he is off". You better be scum because you're running a very persistent smear campaign on me right now >.>
Celever needs to show what posts he was planning on multi-quoting, because I'm starting wonder if that's a lie...
Oh yeah – another thing I didn't like there: the promises made in his posts weren't followed through.
What do I mean by this? Well, Cel's posts are conveying opposite messages, making promises or giving the impression of one thing, then never following through on those.
The two above posts, made before Cel's long absence from the thread, a) imply that Cel will contribute to the serious discussion when there's more of it. The second post also implies that the interaction between me/amici will be fueling one of his reads later on.
But both of these are not followed through upon. Cel has contributed little, and the amici/me interaction has vanished from his posts entirely.
Keeping an RVS vote on someone is a pretty easy way for scum to look like they've been on the wagon for longer than they have, and not look suspicious. In addition to that, Cel sets up the implication that he has a lot of thoughts (from his implied multi-quote wall that he deleted), yet he rejects this in the very next post.
multi-quote wall where? Thoughts where? Amici/me interactions where?
And then this post is even more egregious. Cel literally said he had a multi-quote wall, yes? In the next post (the fourth one quoted here) he states he doesn't have stuff on other people, correct? Here, he says there's nothing to quote of my posts. So: what was the multi-quote wall about?
Lying isn't necessarily a scum trait. What is >rand scum however, is the nonfulfillment of the promises and assumptions from previous posts. In my last game, where I played scum, I made tons of promises I never kept. There, I promised to ISO everyone, promised to reevaluate my reads – and I never did. Here, Cel's setting up assumptions where he supposedly has thoughts, then never shares them.
What do I mean by this? Well, Cel's posts are conveying opposite messages, making promises or giving the impression of one thing, then never following through on those.
Ah, basically every mafia game starts with a period of general discussion / joke voting since we have no information to go off of. It'll get into more serious gameplay later on.
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Ephemera
You're being chaotic and arsonism is also chaotic therefore you're an arsonist gnight.
The two above posts, made before Cel's long absence from the thread, a) imply that Cel will contribute to the serious discussion when there's more of it. The second post also implies that the interaction between me/amici will be fueling one of his reads later on.
But both of these are not followed through upon. Cel has contributed little, and the amici/me interaction has vanished from his posts entirely.
Keeping an RVS vote on someone is a pretty easy way for scum to look like they've been on the wagon for longer than they have, and not look suspicious. In addition to that, Cel sets up the implication that he has a lot of thoughts (from his implied multi-quote wall that he deleted), yet he rejects this in the very next post.
multi-quote wall where? Thoughts where? Amici/me interactions where?
And then this post is even more egregious. Cel literally said he had a multi-quote wall, yes? In the next post (the fourth one quoted here) he states he doesn't have stuff on other people, correct? Here, he says there's nothing to quote of my posts. So: what was the multi-quote wall about?
Lying isn't necessarily a scum trait. What is >rand scum however, is the nonfulfillment of the promises and assumptions from previous posts. In my last game, where I played scum, I made tons of promises I never kept. There, I promised to ISO everyone, promised to reevaluate my reads – and I never did. Here, Cel's setting up assumptions where he supposedly has thoughts, then never shares them.
NAI, but posting a random collection of thoughts is actually not good. There is no action, there is no commitment, there is no nothing. All town should have an agenda: to find scum. If you don't have an agenda then you won't actually achieve anything, and posting a random collection of thoughts is a good way to appear like you're doing something when you actually are not. (Not saying that Jade is doing this, but I disagree with this tell)
i see what you mean – think I phrased it wrong. Not a random collection per se, but Jade's posting the thoughts that come to him. They're genuine, very natural, they follow from his progression, and generally don't push an agenda of trying to get miselims.
What do you think of the semi-wall I just made on Cel?
It's been 2 minutes since your wall, be patient xD
Keep in mind that lurkers do not actually fulfill promises because they are lurking. They're possibly too busy to fulfill those promises and so you see this trait in town and scum lurkers, so I think your point is NAI.
Keep in mind that lurkers do not actually fulfill promises because they are lurking. They're possibly too busy to fulfill those promises and so you see this trait in town and scum lurkers, so I think your point is NAI.
1) OMGUS is NAI. That's a fact. Do my reads look like OMGUS? Yes. Am I using OMGUS to back up my reads, or to form my reads? Hell no.
2) Again: it's super easy to get on my wagon, there's bound to be scum there. I believe I have pinned Cel due to the reasons I just stated, but your posts and progression also feel wrong. I get the impression that you are discrediting multiple townies, not just putting suspicion, and trying to look reasonable while you're at it. Essentially, your demeanor feels like it's emulating something – and townies don't need to emulate things. That enough for a case on you?
3) exactly. He's putting up stuff he doesn't intend to follow through on, so it looks like he's evaluating things when he's really not – after all, the game's already solved for him.
Yes, but I think the worst broken promise is the wallpost. He a) says he had a wallpost, b) says he has nothing on the others besides me, and c) says there's nothing to quote from me.
Do I sense a contradiction here?
Okay, prime example of what's scummy about your posts here:
With two lines, you are a) trying to get on my good side, b) putting shade without looking like it, and c) discrediting my case. Very agenda-y, all packed into a short post.
With two lines, you are a) trying to get on my good side, b) putting shade without looking like it, and c) discrediting my case. Very agenda-y, all packed into a short post.
Stop ninja'ing me rip. Post #232 should adequately responded to in #231.
Your points on me are based on your impressions, your tones, your feelings, your emotions, etc etc and you have not actually shown any evidence for any of those claims. So, yes, this is a smear campaign. (Also, ninja'd again. Still seems to be a smear campaign.)
Yes, I will discredit tells that I think are bad.
Again, those votes will mean something once the day has ended, they are WIFOM right now. The statistical probability that any random group of 4 has scum is already 71%, so your wifom probabilities doesn't reveal anything new. You need to find real evidence. (And yes, your post on Celever was real evidence, thankyou for finally doing that.)
Your points on me are based on your impressions, your tones, your feelings, your emotions, etc etc and you have not actually shown any evidence for any of those claims. So, yes, this is a smear campaign. (Also, ninja'd again. Still seems to be a smear campaign.)
I don't understand how you reached that conclusion in any of your abc) points, and don't see an agenda. What's the agenda?
Again, there's no evidence here! Go type "agree" and enter bbninjas in the search bar and you'll find that I agree with many things. I have agreed with Amici a lot. Vom and Jade sometimes. I have disagreed with you a lot, largely because you're using logic and tells that doesn't make sense to me from my experience playing mafia, and you so happen to be actively using these tells.
Yes, I will discredit tells that I think are bad.
(also can I just say I love the activity this game it's only D1 and we're only two pages away from being longer than last game)
some questions to spark even more activity
@MegaPod_781 what do you think of Cel?
@Jadethepokemontrainer what do you think of bb?
some questions to spark even more activity
@MegaPod_781 what do you think of Cel?
@Jadethepokemontrainer what do you think of bb?
Interesting that @bbninjas actually took the credit for starting the Ephe wagon when Amici gave him the chance. I was originally going to correct Amici, but I decided it was more interesting to see what bb said about it first.
Also, @Ephemera you really should drop the thing about scum voting you. While I personally think that theory is correct, further arguing about it based solely on the fact that there are votes on you will bring us no closer to proving/disproving that theory, and without adding new evidence it really just wastes everyone's time.
Also, @Ephemera you really should drop the thing about scum voting you. While I personally think that theory is correct, further arguing about it based solely on the fact that there are votes on you will bring us no closer to proving/disproving that theory, and without adding new evidence it really just wastes everyone's time.
yes! I can't remember the last time it was so active, not to mention there are only 9 players.
ninja'ing bbninjas lol
I can make a proper case on you later, wait your turn
Nah, I have stuff that i didn't like from your posts, i've put an example of that, and I'll make a case once more discussion happens about Cel. Right now that would only distract from Cel's response. Gimme a few hours, or when Cel posts, whichever is sooner.
Last thing is fair a little, can give you cases that make more sense to you soon I guess.
@Vom i have dropped it lol. Still think there's scum there but now I'm pursuing them individually. You are likely town, people who've played with mega say he looks like town, so I'm checking bb while making a case on cel.
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