“Temporal Forces” Has Hardest Pull Rates of Scarlet & Violet Sets for Highest Rarities

By: Water Pokémon Master · Posted Posted onMar 24, 2024 at 3:50 PM · 50 Comments

The pull rates for Temporal Forces are the hardest of the Scarlet & Violet block for Special Illustration Rares and Hyper Rares. This is according to data from TCGplayer, which used a sample size of over 8,000 booster packs.

Special Illustration Rares are almost twice as rare as Paradox Rift‘s and 2.7x rarer than earlier Scarlet & Violet sets. You can get 1 out of 86 packs. In Paradox Rift, they were in 1 out of 47 packs. Before then, the rate was 1 out of 32 packs.

Hyper Rares are now found in 1 out of 139 packs. In Paradox Rift, they were in 1 out of 82 packs. In earlier Scarlet & Violet sets, they were in 1 out of ~54 packs. They are now 2.5x rarer than earlier sets.

The new ACE SPEC cards have a pull rate of 1 out of 20 packs. They are found in the first reverse holo slot.

Though Special Illustration Rares and Hyper Rares are now much rarer, there is now a chance to pull ACE SPEC cards from your packs. This means the overall effect of pulling a “hit” is mitigated if you count ACE SPEC cards as something special.

If you’re a collector who wants Hyper Rares or Special Illustration Rares, you can trade your ACE SPEC cards to players.

All the other rarities remain the same as previous Scarlet & Violet sets.

Double Rares have a hit rate of 1 out of 6 packs.

Ultra Rares are in 1 out of 15 packs.

The pull rate of regular Illustration Rares is 1 out of 13 packs.

You can see TCGplayer’s graphics below for the main Scarlet & Violet sets.

Check out our Temporal Forces set guide for the card list, products, and everything else you need to know about the set!

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I wonder how they'll handle reprinting Ace Specs. If these were regular Trainers, I would expect them to appear in a lot of precons and beginner-friendly products. But if Master Ball and Prime Catcher aren't reprinted, Temporal Forces might be very sought after for a long time.
 
Thanks for nothing to all the investment bros on reddit who whined about how it was "too easy" to get the good pulls in last year's sets.

Doesn't help that TCGPlayer sellers have been up to their old nonsense to inflate Iron Leaves, Raging Bolt and Walking Wake's SIRs this weekend.
 
This set has been a lot of fun to rip - it did seem considerably harder to pull initially in my first 100 packs I had a 25% hit rate including EX and without them around 11% but by the end of the next 100 it had balanced back out to about 38% with EX and 25% without // so it seems like maybe I should call it quits on ripping while I am apparently doing better than “official” numbers - I love that this set was a bit smaller as now I only have about 30 more cards needed to finish the set and now I don’t have so so so much bulk to deal with ripping where as with Paradox being SO HUGE I ripped double what I did for this set and still need almost double what I need for this set

@Yaginku makes a good point about Ace Specs potentially being set specific - they have definitely been tougher to pull than the EX cards - it will be interesting to see if they just slap them in every other set moving forward, print us non-holo deck exclusive versions of prime catcher / master ball just to make them have an accessible version, or if they will remain as Temporal Forces exclusive- I also would love and be fully surprised if they did a Gold Version/HRs of these Ace Specs in future sets because both of these tools “feel” like candidates for HRs “historically” It is definitely a progression for this block and I’m looking forward to see what happens next with the Ace Specs in coming sets - it will be interesting to see if they will only be in the next few sets and then we move on again or if they will continue to make these new tools for the next 2-3 years
 
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As stupid as those people are I don't think they're responsible. It probably has more to do with set composition. Honestly I think there are just too many goddamn special rares, they're like more than half the set. We already have a thing for that, it's called Reverse Holos.
 
Personally, I would like to see a paradigm shift from TPCI. I wanna see an EX per pack, I wanna see at least 10 illustration rares and special illustration rares per box, if not more. I want to be able to collect the cards I want, whilst having spares to sell or trade to actual players. I would love to be able to do this myself from opening packs; however, I stopped doing that. Boxes costs a lot, and I mean a LOT. You can't complete a set if that is your goal, even with an entire case.

TPCI should focus more on selling product rather than making it an investment (even if they don't aim to do that, they could entirely do so far the former).
 
I have an alternative proposal: Make illustration rares the standard. Instead of having two versions, just do the illustration rares and those are the ones in the set. You have money on the comission of artwork, the sets are smaller, easier to fill, and the cards get the better looking art.
 
How random are boxes in Pokemon? If you get an SIR from a box my understanding is that there will not be a second one in the box, is that true or is it actually random?
 
sonicjms said:
How random are boxes in Pokemon? If you get an SIR from a box my understanding is that there will not be a second one in the box, is that true or is it actually random?
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A SV booster box typically has 2 "rare" cards. This could be SIR, Hyper or a combo of the two. I seldom hear of more than this.
 
I have two things to say about this new set.
1. It says that there is a 20% chance to pull a secret rare, but me and one of my friends opened 15 packs and got 1 UR ONLY!!!
2. What is all of this crap of tcgper sellers selling the sars for 100$? The market price literallly says 55!
 
Frost said:
Thanks for nothing to all the investment bros on reddit who whined about how it was "too easy" to get the good pulls in last year's sets.

Doesn't help that TCGPlayer sellers have been up to their old nonsense to inflate Iron Leaves, Raging Bolt and Walking Wake's SIRs this weekend.
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that iron crown that supposedly sold for $250… extremely fishy lol
 
Frost said:
Thanks for nothing to all the investment bros on reddit who whined about how it was "too easy" to get the good pulls in last year's sets.

Doesn't help that TCGPlayer sellers have been up to their old nonsense to inflate Iron Leaves, Raging Bolt and Walking Wake's SIRs this weekend.
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You're only half right. If you check the sales history, it is legit that people are buying the card. They just bought it at a faster rate than it was being listed, hence it results in no copies being available. You act as though that can never happen.

Where the dodgy stuff comes in, is after all copies are gone. Of course a seller can set any price, but there is a registered sale for $247.99. No one is that stupid. But it seems to be really easy to fake sales on TCGPlayer. Evidence being of the multiple times I've seen bulk cards costing cents have sales in the $100s of dollars. Those get reported and taken down eventually because it's easy to tell, but for rarer cards, how do you 'prove'?

There is a flaw in their programming that allows these non-sales to be reflected into the market price without the sale actually going through. Of course they are not transparent and have no incentive to fix it given that higher prices equal higher commission.

Pokebeach or Rattle, if he's not been sued to closure, should investigate it. Would be a big story considering TCGPlayer is the default site for TCG sales.

Nirvanna21 said:
Personally, I would like to see a paradigm shift from TPCI. I wanna see an EX per pack, I wanna see at least 10 illustration rares and special illustration rares per box, if not more. I want to be able to collect the cards I want, whilst having spares to sell or trade to actual players. I would love to be able to do this myself from opening packs; however, I stopped doing that. Boxes costs a lot, and I mean a LOT. You can't complete a set if that is your goal, even with an entire case.

TPCI should focus more on selling product rather than making it an investment (even if they don't aim to do that, they could entirely do so far the former).
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You never even got a holo a pack back in Base Set. Where is this idea even coming from? With pull rates that high, you won't be selling any spares to anyone for any money. They would all be worthless. Even now, with their poor pull rates, most cards in a set are worth under $5. It doesn't even make sense considering it's not easy to pull.

The difference is that then, most people would have been buying single packs whereas now, everyone seems to be a degenerate buying boxes or cases. Would TPCI make more money selling 2 boxes to each person or do whatever it is they are doing now?

I don't know if you're a player (cheapest TCG to play seriously) or a collector, but the hard truth is that most people don't seem to collect to complete sets. Most don't seem to care to collect most Pokemon. If they did, the cards today wouldn't be so cheap. And given that they had record sales numbers during the worst ever era of pull rates, why do you think they would change?

There is having a reasonable discussion on what they can improve and then there is fantasy.
 
There is a fine line between having the higher hits too easy to pull and too tough. Myself, I'm in favour of the hits being a little tougher to pull. I don't want to spend $100 on a box in the hopes that the top chase card is $40. Why do people keep ripping and chasing Evovling Skies, because the hope to pull one of the really valuable cards like the Moonbreon. I think the top chase cards should be something speical and not given away. I know I'm in the minority though
 
beatbox2000 said:
You never even got a holo a pack back in Base Set. Where is this idea even coming from? With pull rates that high, you won't be selling any spares to anyone for any money. They would all be worthless. Even now, with their poor pull rates, most cards in a set are worth under $5. It doesn't even make sense considering it's not easy to pull.

The difference is that then, most people would have been buying single packs whereas now, everyone seems to be a degenerate buying boxes or cases. Would TPCI make more money selling 2 boxes to each person or do whatever it is they are doing now?

I don't know if you're a player (cheapest TCG to play seriously) or a collector, but the hard truth is that most people don't seem to collect to complete sets. Most don't seem to care to collect most Pokemon. If they did, the cards today wouldn't be so cheap. And given that they had record sales numbers during the worst ever era of pull rates, why do you think they would change?

There is having a reasonable discussion on what they can improve and then there is fantasy.
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Back then, you had 16 holofoils out of a 102 card set, you would pull a good chunk out of a box. The set sizes are bigger, and post numbered cards are over 40 or so nowadays? And you get what... maybe 6 out of a box at the best odds, that means an entire case can't even complete a set, which is lunacy. You act like what I want is fantasy? Of course it is. This is a huge entity that for the most part genuinely could care less. But that doesn't mean I can't voice that this is what I would like to see that would personally draw me back from "oh ill just buy singles" to "ill buy the product and try myself again".
 
will harder pull rates even increase the price values that much? i feel like this will only significantly increase the price of highly sought-after cards that only appear once every few sets (i.e. iono illustration rare, lugia v alternate art). for the rest of the rare, but not valuable cards, it'll just make it even more tedious
 
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