Finished Mafia XLVI - Salem Forces ~ ENDGAME

[Jabberwock]

And what's the problem with the Survivor accomplishing its goal? He wins if the game ends and he stays alive, and the game won't end until the Town, the Coven or the Jugger achieve their objective. In that case, there will be 2 winning factions (Surv and one of the other 3).

The issue would be this: if we're down to three––a town, a coven, and a survivor––the survivor is under no obligation to lynch coven. Quaking's win is guaranteed, and he can decide who wins with him. He could literally flip a coin for who to lynch; it'll only a 50% chance of him voting with town to lynch coven, and a 50% chance of him voting with coven to lynch town. Does that make sense? Idk if I can explain it any better. :/

A poisoned player would turn up dead at the beginning of the next day, unless they're cured. They would have the following day and night to live, after they've been poisoned.

>.>

<.<

I swear that's not how poison usually works.

P(A ∩ B) = P(A) P(B|A). Assuming independence, it's just pure multiplication.[/QUOTE
I mean sure, w/e; the point's moot anyway. I don't feel qualified to argue this. :x

That last comment was talking to Drac, btw. I completely doubt scattered is anything but town.

Why? You were convinced at the beginning of the day that he was juggernaut or coven at the very least.

And btw, Jabber, your plan 100% doesn't work via what Lorde just said.

Yeah, noted. >.>

##VOTE: GM DRACLORD

@quakingpunch73 @scattered mind where'd you go? It's one thing to disappear during D1, but this point in the game is kinda important. :U

 

[GM DracLord]

1.So Drac voted inno, even though his claim contradicts with scattered's. Why? Because he knows scattered being hung would reveal him for sure. Scattered did a similar thing himself in Lorde's game.

2.So why didn't you choose Mariano or myself N1?

That factional kill idea actually does make sense now that you mention it. I guess you have a point.
P(A ∩ B) = P(A) P(B|A). Assuming independence, it's just pure multiplication.
That last comment was talking to Drac, btw. I completely doubt scattered is anything but town.

The potential problem is Quaking defecting to Coven/Jugg. But the Coven/Jugg themself are much more important.

And btw, Jabber, your plan 100% doesn't work via what Lorde just said.

I've said why before plenty of times:
##VOTE: GM Draclord

1. How does it contradict, SM's role says he can't be cure if he was poisoned after reveal and my claim I can be cure from the poison. Which part is contradict.
2. I didn't pick Mariano for N1 ability because I don't think it was worth it since I don't have much experience playing with him..

You guys are already set as me the I must be eliminate, anything I would say at the moment will easily be countered by you guys.

Hang me for all I care, I'm dead either way. Congratz to the Coven for successfully manipulating the town.

 

[Jabberwock]

Smh quotes. Let's try that again. Second part of post:

P(A ∩ B) = P(A) P(B|A). Assuming independence, it's just pure multiplication.

I mean sure, w/e; the point's moot anyway. I don't feel qualified to argue this. :x

That last comment was talking to Drac, btw. I completely doubt scattered is anything but town.

Why? You were convinced at the beginning of the day that he was juggernaut or coven at the very least.

And btw, Jabber, your plan 100% doesn't work via what Lorde just said.

Yeah, noted. >.>

##VOTE: GM DRACLORD

@quakingpunch73 @scattered mind where'd you go? It's one thing to disappear during D1, but this point in the game is kinda important. :U

 

[quakingpunch73]

Smh quotes. Let's try that again. Second part of post:


I mean sure, w/e; the point's moot anyway. I don't feel qualified to argue this. :x


Why? You were convinced at the beginning of the day that he was juggernaut or coven at the very least.


Yeah, noted. >.>

##VOTE: GM DRACLORD

@quakingpunch73 @scattered mind where'd you go? It's one thing to disappear during D1, but this point in the game is kinda important. :U

I'm here! I've been pretty busy with Big Brother, but it seems we've narrowed down the Anti-town to Mariano, Drac, Jabber, and scattered (if he doesn't reveal tommorow) and morda. I'm fine with putting Drac on trial for now, considering the AtE in his last post.
##Vote: GM Draclord

 

[quakingpunch73]

The issue would be this: if we're down to three––a town, a coven, and a survivor––the survivor is under no obligation to lynch coven. Quaking's win is guaranteed, and he can decide who wins with him. He could literally flip a coin for who to lynch; it'll only a 50% chance of him voting with town to lynch coven, and a 50% chance of him voting with coven to lynch town. Does that make sense? Idk if I can explain it any better. :/

I'm under no obligation to lynch Coven in that scenario, but it would kind of rude to betray town after playing as if I was one for the whole game, and I can respect town much more in this scenario due to how disadvantaged they were.

 

[GM DracLord]

I got urgent family matter and wouldn't be posting by the time my trial ends like it gonna make any different as you guys are hanging me anyway..

From what I read you guys commented on most of what I replied excluding the part that I said COVEN would really like me dead as I'm certain they didn't have the ability to hide from my investigation skill.

 

[GM DracLord]

It really is convenience that most of you guys have not claimed yet. Assum ing player didn't get safeclaim since I don't read anywhere in the OP about it (correct me if I were wrong), you guys are set upon hanging the one person that could find out the alignment of these people. Especially with the doctor still being alive.

- @TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK - Hanged Day 2, Consigliere
- @FlavorfulPineApl - Killed Night 2, Godfather

- @TheSceptileMaster - Killed Night 1, Escort
- @Jadethepokemontrainer - Killed Night 1, Tracker
- @GekkisaiDaiNi - Killed Night 2, BodyGuard

- @quakingpunch73 - CLAIM > Survivor
- @NinjaPenguin
- @Jabberwock - CLAIM > Vigilante
- @mordacazir
- @scattered mind - CLAIM > Mayor
- @Mariano11887
- @GM DracLord - CLAIM > Sheriff

If there is even a safeclaim provided, the safeclaim would have been something with similar roles right.

In a setup with 12 people and atleast 4 alignment it is very logical that a Sheriff Role exist to help identify Mafia/Coven (Since Juggernaut can't be determine by Investigation and I doubt the Coven have the Necronomicon ability) if not, town would be at serious disadvantage should the mafia members were still around this late in the game.

 

[Jabberwock]

I'm under no obligation to lynch Coven in that scenario, but it would kind of rude to betray town after playing as if I was one for the whole game, and I can respect town much more in this scenario due to how disadvantaged they were.

Mhm, but you'll of course forgive us if we don't take your word for it. ^.^

It really is convenience that most of you guys have not claimed yet. Assum ing player didn't get safeclaim since I don't read anywhere in the OP about it (correct me if I were wrong), you guys are set upon hanging the one person that could find out the alignment of these people. Especially with the doctor still being alive.

I'd assume all anti-town have safeclaims; Nick certainly claimed Investigator before he was lynched. But why does it matter whether they exist? IIRC the ability you claimed doesn't return a role; it just returns whether the player was "suspicious" or not.

 

[GM DracLord]

Mhm, but you'll of course forgive us if we don't take your word for it. ^.^


I'd assume all anti-town have safeclaims; Nick certainly claimed Investigator before he was lynched. But why does it matter whether they exist? IIRC the ability you claimed doesn't return a role; it just returns whether the player was "suspicious" or not.

Having 2 players with Investigator roles not aligned with town is way of balance IMO.

IIRC the result of not suspicious would only return if the target is either Town or hidden (like Juggernaut or coven with the Necronomicon ability, I doubt the later is in play). it's the next best thing rather than just trusting the other claims

 

[Scattered mind]

##VOTE:GM DracLord

 

[Lorde]

Day 3, Trial #2​

Welcome to the second trial of the day! It looks like @GM DracLord is on trial for conspiracy against the town.

Alright, everyone besides Drac you have until 7AM EST tomorrow to vote 'Guilty' or 'Innocent' in your PM with me. Not submitting a vote (which you can do, and won't be penalized for) means you 'Abstain'. Drac will have this time to plead his case in the thread as well, and the floor is still completely open to discussion. If he is determined innocent he will be free and the game will resume, however if he is determined guilty he will be hanged, his role revealed, and the day will end.


well this is really late...

 

[NinjaPenguin]

Voting guilty obviously. Not much time, so maybe a better post in the afternoon?

It really is convenience that most of you guys have not claimed yet. Assum ing player didn't get safeclaim since I don't read anywhere in the OP about it (correct me if I were wrong), you guys are set upon hanging the one person that could find out the alignment of these people. Especially with the doctor still being alive.

- @TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK - Hanged Day 2, Consigliere
- @FlavorfulPineApl - Killed Night 2, Godfather

- @TheSceptileMaster - Killed Night 1, Escort
- @Jadethepokemontrainer - Killed Night 1, Tracker
- @GekkisaiDaiNi - Killed Night 2, BodyGuard

- @quakingpunch73 - CLAIM > Survivor
- @NinjaPenguin
- @Jabberwock - CLAIM > Vigilante
- @mordacazir
- @scattered mind - CLAIM > Mayor
- @Mariano11887
- @GM DracLord - CLAIM > Sheriff

If there is even a safeclaim provided, the safeclaim would have been something with similar roles right.

In a setup with 12 people and atleast 4 alignment it is very logical that a Sheriff Role exist to help identify Mafia/Coven (Since Juggernaut can't be determine by Investigation and I doubt the Coven have the Necronomicon ability) if not, town would be at serious disadvantage should the mafia members were still around this late in the game.

Just gonna note that I have claimed, and everyone should know it.
And that Quaking and I are the only people with any degree of a proven claim.

I'm under no obligation to lynch Coven in that scenario, but it would kind of rude to betray town after playing as if I was one for the whole game, and I can respect town much more in this scenario due to how disadvantaged they were.

Yeah I trust Quaking on this one. He does this on real ToS as Surv too.

 

[mordacazir]

Sorry for not posting last day. Totally forgot about this game, and Im going to vote inno because I think GM is not juggernaut or coven, and thta either jabber or mariano should be lynched. About the juggernaut, I think scattered is juggernaut if he isnt revealed but if he is revealed then probably quaking is jugger.

Anti-town to Mariano, Drac, Jabber, and scattered (if he doesn't reveal tommorow) and morda.

So almost everyone except yourself and NP? -_-

Yeah I trust Quaking on this one. He does this on real ToS as Surv too.

And how do you know that?

 

[Mariano11887]

and thta either jabber or mariano should be lynched

Can you explain why? The day is ending (hopefully), but on Day 4 I'd like to know it.

@scattered mind remember to use your ability to reveal you truly are the Mayor. If not, you know what's waitinig for you on Day 4...

 

[Lorde]

Day 3, Trial 2 - Results​

quakingpunch73 voted guilty.

NinjaPenguin voted guilty.

Jabberwock voted guilty.

mordacazir abstained.

scattered mind voted guilty.

Mariano11887 voted guilty.


The vote went 5-0, and Drac has been determined guilty. Drac has been hanged, his role was:

Spoiler

You are the Sheriff and are aligned with the Town. You’re a stealthy sheriff who was forced into hiding by the Mafia, and is looking to find them out.

Active Ability - Interrogating: Every night you may PM me ‘Interrogate [PLAYER]’. You will learn if they are involved in any suspicious activity.

Win Condition: Eliminate all threats to the Town.

- Night 3 has begun and will end Friday December 1, at 7AM EST, or 48 hours from now.
- Again, no talking in this thread.

 

[Lorde]

Day 4​

scattered mind has revealed themself as the mayor!


- Day 4 has begun and will end Wednesday December 6, 2017 at 7AM EST, about 120 hours from now.
- You guys have 3 trials today.
- With 6 players alive, the majority to trial is 4.

 

[NinjaPenguin]

Luckily, that Jugg not killing tonight means that they do not yet have Basic defense, and Coven can still hit them. Which is sweet.
Scattered is also obviously cleared, which leaves Mariano, Morda, Jabber, and maybe Quaking for the three evils.
Currently, the person pinging my Jugg radar is Mord, as this post lays out suspicion on like half the game for Jugg, and suddenly changes his mind on Drac for the reason I thought Drac voted inno on scattered.

Sorry for not posting last day. Totally forgot about this game, and Im going to vote inno because I think GM is not juggernaut or coven, and thta either jabber or mariano should be lynched. About the juggernaut, I think scattered is juggernaut if he isnt revealed but if he is revealed then probably quaking is jugger.

So almost everyone except yourself and NP? -_-

And how do you know that?

That leaves Mariano and Jabber as Coven, which also makes sense from what I saw yesterday.

@quakingpunch73 Would you mind fully alleviating my suspicion on you by posting your role or at least safeclaim? We already basically know what Surv will do, so it's not too bad.

 

[Mariano11887]

Well well, nice things I just discovered...

First of all and if you can read me from the heaven, sorry Drac for not trusting you. I was the first one that suspected of you and was completely wrong.

6 players left: 2 Coven, 2 Town, 1 Jugg and 1 Surv.
We know for sure that scattered is Town. I also know I'm Town. Not 100% sure, but for me quaking is truly the survivor.
That leaves the 2 Coven and the Jugg between Jabber, Morda and NinjaPenguin.

I must say something before continuing: congratulations @NinjaPenguin , you really fooled me with your early, now false, claim. I don't know how you did to guess the 3 people you mentioned in your vision, but let me tell you it was a great play.

Do you need any reason to beleive I'm Town? Here is a little claim:

You are the Doctor and are aligned with the Town. You are a skilled surgeon who secretly watches over people, just in case they end up injured.

Active Ability - Healing: Every night you may PM me ‘Heal [PLAYER]’, and if that player is attacked, they will be healed that night.

Win Condition: Eliminate all threats to the Town.

Why am I claiming? Because now my role is completely useless.
Why is useless? Because the 2 townies left are scattered and me. Scattered can no longer be healed because he revealed himself, and I can't heal myself because I did it last night:

I'll heal myself this night.

You were attacked but someone healed you!

You were attacked but someone healed you!

Yes, I was attacked twice.

So, for the reasons I mentioned above, ##VOTE: NinjaPenguin

 

[mordacazir]

You are the Survivor and are aligned with yourself. One fateful night, you protected yourself and helped the Mafia destroy your town, all by accident. You were the one they spared, to warn the other towns. Now, you only look out for yourself, holding 4 bulletproof vests. 1 for the town who died in the massacre, 1 for the mafia who led them to their deaths, 1 for the abandoned souls who kept to themselves, and 1 for yourself to remind you of your selfishness.

Active Ability - Vesting: 4 nights during the game, you may PM me ‘Vest’ and you will wear a bulletproof vest that night, protecting yourself from all attacks that night.

Win Condition: Survive to the end of the game.

Sorry for not saying this all this time but heres my claim. And ##vote: Ninjapenguin

 

[Jabberwock]

Luckily, that Jugg not killing tonight means that they do not yet have Basic defense, and Coven can still hit them. Which is sweet.

How so?

First of all and if you can read me from the heaven, sorry Drac for not trusting you. I was the first one that suspected of you and was completely wrong.

You also suspected him based on a meta read––a faulty meta read; let's not forget that bit. The case gained very little substance until the end of D3.

Why is useless? Because the 2 townies left are scattered and me. Scattered can no longer be healed because he revealed himself, and I can't heal myself because I did it last night:

That role doesn't stop you from healing yourself on successive nights. Explain, please.

Yes, I was attacked twice.

You could also very easily be juggernaut with whatever defense allows him to not die to the coven NK. That claim is a pretty long way from clearing you.