That's bad reasoning. Just poke people when they're inactive. Really all voting for them ends up doing is dragging conversation away from those who have real cases on them and distract the town.
No. I never pushed Lugia once, and I'm pretty sure that nobody in their right mind (a.k.a. not some psycho inactive who sees things completely the wrong way) would misconstrue me as doing such. I did it for a reason, because Lugia was in fact lurking around that time, which told me that he was not truly inactive, and I thought he was being inactive to try to play more. That's where my vote is in fact more effective than just a tag.
I'll stop talking in that way, but you need to try something too: listen to my arguments and acknowledge them. Because I'm making more and more points you aren't arguing with, but you still insist I'm scum. And then, you don't even make clear points, which is very frustrating for anyone trying to deal with you.
This statement is especially annoying, because even if they do explain the point you're looking for, you don't explain what I'm looking for, which helps nobody. Literally, when you said, "You voted for me, then Neuro, then Lugia, then Morda, then me again," you made more sense than any point in your two "cases" because this tells me what you're looking at and consider scummy. If I quote all of Morda's posts and give a tl;dr (which btw stands for "too long; didn't read", implying-you know-that there is something long to read for details), it helps nobody. If I point out specifically where the scumtells lie and why they are scummy, it becomes a real case that can have real debate and defense.
Then why is it a bad thing to look into multiple leads over the same game? This kinda thing is what frustrates me; everything you say on me can be applied to yourself, and often more.
This will be my last post on this subject today, because I want other people to get a chance to read up and talk.
Note that I said that I will probably vote NP again. I literally said that I would change my vote again if you reacted to my post. How is that flip-flopiness.
No. I never pushed Lugia once, and I'm pretty sure that nobody in their right mind (a.k.a. not some psycho inactive who sees things completely the wrong way) would misconstrue me as doing such. I did it for a reason, because Lugia was in fact lurking around that time, which told me that he was not truly inactive, and I thought he was being inactive to try to play more. That's where my vote is in fact more effective than just a tag.
I'll stop talking in that way, but you need to try something too: listen to my arguments and acknowledge them. Because I'm making more and more points you aren't arguing with, but you still insist I'm scum. And then, you don't even make clear points, which is very frustrating for anyone trying to deal with you.
This statement is especially annoying, because even if they do explain the point you're looking for, you don't explain what I'm looking for, which helps nobody. Literally, when you said, "You voted for me, then Neuro, then Lugia, then Morda, then me again," you made more sense than any point in your two "cases" because this tells me what you're looking at and consider scummy. If I quote all of Morda's posts and give a tl;dr (which btw stands for "too long; didn't read", implying-you know-that there is something long to read for details), it helps nobody. If I point out specifically where the scumtells lie and why they are scummy, it becomes a real case that can have real debate and defense.
Then why is it a bad thing to look into multiple leads over the same game? This kinda thing is what frustrates me; everything you say on me can be applied to yourself, and often more.
This will be my last post on this subject today, because I want other people to get a chance to read up and talk.
What points have you made that I haven't argued with? Iirc, I've rebutted every point you've made.
I pointed out which posts the scumminess occurred in, and I said what I found scummy. If you read the posts, you can see what I meant. That's what I mean by the posts explain themselves.
You had an RVS, two pressure votes, and two real votes. So technically you're looking into multiple leads but you aren't really trying to make a case. All you said in your vote for me was "I don't like the way he handled the Blob situation". The only actual case you've made is the case on morda.
I have not led the Blob lynch. That long post about Blob is only to sum up what blob has done.
Note that I said that I will probably vote NP again. I literally said that I would change my vote again if you reacted to my post. How is that flip-flopiness.
Literally every post in my defense you just said wrong and moved on. Sure it's arguing, but you argue by repeating your original argument instead of arguing against my defense.
I pointed out which posts the scumminess occurred in, and I said what I found scummy. If you read the posts, you can see what I meant. That's what I mean by the posts explain themselves.
after reading through Gekki's case on Rainy, I can definitely see a difference. I don't know if I've ever played with scum Rainy before, so I don't know what his scum play style is. I have played several games with town Rainy though, and in previous games town Rainy doesn't really defend himself and kinda avoids things. At least that's how I recall. I've never seen Rainy act so aggressive in a game before, unless I'm missing something. I don't really think it's much to go off of currently, I'm going to look into his posts more tomorrow when I have time.
May I hear more about the NP case? Like I said earlier, I don't have enough time to read back tonight and would like to figure out more of whats going on now rather than waiting until tomorrow and getting confuzzled
Not normally. If there is a third faction, it would be Indie, which are aligned with themselves and their win condition is to survive to the end.
If there is a fool (are there ever fools in forum mafia?) it wouldn't be revealed to us unless someone wants to claim.
You had an RVS, two pressure votes, and two real votes. So technically you're looking into multiple leads but you aren't really trying to make a case. All you said in your vote for me was "I don't like the way he handled the Blob situation". The only actual case you've made is the case on morda.
My cases were much better than that. I pointed out what was scummy about each post, and then gave the post for you to read so you can see what I meant. I'm also on tablet so anything much more detailed than that is a struggle.
Literally every post in my defense you just said wrong and moved on. Sure it's arguing, but you argue by repeating your original argument instead of arguing against my defense.
I'm gonna actually prove your point a little bit by just saying that this is wrong, because it is. Give me one example of a post I made on you where I didn't rebut your defense.
The person voting knows their own vote weight, I'd assume.
This NP argument is going nowhere. I'm done pressing this case for now because it's on track to become another 3-page extravaganza like my case on rainy. I'll leave my vote on him for now, since I still think he's the best lynch option.
Very sorry about my inactivity as of late. Been very busy. As well as right when I'd start making a post, I'd be pulled from my computer. I finally have some sit-down time to do something.
Nono, check the rules. Screenshotting your role on any platform, which Blob had been confirmed to do on Discord which had been relayed to this thread was something that'd happened before you were still flip-floppy between her and NP.
There was no reason for you to vote someone for the sole reason of getting them to be active; especially not twice, and especially not when there are much better cases with actual logic behind them. All you've said about the backpedal is "no it's not a backpedal" and it obviously is. Anyone who knows what the word backpedal means knows that it is.
You have been pursuing this case attempting to get answers and reinforce your case on NP, but it's not working. I have not seen you add anything new to this case in a while. This has been going on throughout the entirety of D2 and a chunk of D1 as well. That is tunnel vision.
Note that I said that I will probably vote NP again. I literally said that I would change my vote again if you reacted to my post. How is that flip-flopiness.
Gonna ##VOTE: Mordacazir for the time being. There is one major towntell about Gekki I have not forgotten, and that's his activity. He definitely presents himself in a way like he has nothing to hide, and he's frequently participating in arguments (things scum like to avoid for the most part). Morda is not doing this. I have seen nothing but NP tunneling and shallow defenses towards the end of D1, at least Gekki's active and talking.
Probably gonna do a Morda ISO tomorrow, but I don't have time right now.
Gonna ##VOTE: Mordacazir for the time being. There is one major towntell about Gekki I have not forgotten, and that's his activity. He definitely presents himself in a way like he has nothing to hide, and he's frequently participating in arguments (things scum like to avoid for the most part). Morda is not doing this. I have seen nothing but NP tunneling and shallow defenses towards the end of D1, at least Gekki's active and talking.
Well, I'm also active and talking. Not as active as Gekki but I don't know where he gets his time from. I'm more active than most. This game has really inactive players and that's hurting town the most. (You, Celever, Neurowolf and 2 subs)
Well, I'm also active and talking. Not as active as Gekki but I don't know where he gets his time from. I'm more active than most. This game has really inactive players and that's hurting town the most. (You, Celever, Neurowolf and 2 subs)
I’m not gonna argue this since it’s true, but if you’re classifying this as a scumtell then I will say my inactivity isn’t stemmed from a lack of things to say, it’s because I don’t have time.
It looks like that because the day ended early. If that wouldn't have happened blob would not have been lynched.
No it looks like that because just then Blob’s case was starting to form, and it looked like you were trying to capitalize on it. That’s why I bothered pointing this out.
The only pressure I felt from that was pressure to write a response, not pressure that I was going to be lynched (And BTW I was writing a response while you were poking me for one). So I guess it kinda was pressure, but it wasn't real pressure like Lorde's case on me.
I’m not gonna argue this since it’s true, but if you’re classifying this as a scumtell then I will say my inactivity isn’t stemmed from a lack of things to say, it’s because I don’t have time.
No it looks like that because just then Blob’s case was starting to form, and it looked like you were trying to capitalize on it. That’s why I bothered pointing this out.
Three things I want to say before the game starts,
I will be more active.
I will do my first analytic post tomorrow since I will be doing some extensive reads and post checking.
Based on my spectating and initial checks, I have some questions for a few of you.
First and foremost i may not be able to give detail anlysis since it really not my playstyle. But based on my glimpse from what happening so far there seems to be an abnormal activeness like usual.
I’m not gonna argue this since it’s true, but if you’re classifying this as a scumtell then I will say my inactivity isn’t stemmed from a lack of things to say, it’s because I don’t have time.
Three things I want to say before the game starts,
I will be more active.
I will do my first analytic post tomorrow since I will be doing some extensive reads and post checking.
Based on my spectating and initial checks, I have some questions for a few of you.
SM think its a valid case for the first few hours of day 1? Do you think the same here? Because its pretty much the same problem.
This is a good reason.
Why? Why? Have ever tried to use pokebeach on your phone?
He's a new player and he probably doesn't even know what omgus is.
Sorry for this, but I just wanted to make a point that it's a stupid idea. And no, @NinjaPenguin , omgus from a new player isn't what I call good reasoning for a lynch.
Saying that you get ninjad isn't really defending in my opinion. And how is he shutting down some conversation?
Pressuring a new player, the best way to lynch townies day 1. ##vote: Ninjapenguin
Little bit of fluff but I guess it's okay?
@quakingpunch73@bbninjas I don't know if the thread should have sign-ups when it already started
I have some more things I want to say something about, but this should be the most imoortant stuff. (Dont have a lot of time rn)
Analysis from my game is distracting. I'm just gonna make an interesting note, Morda seems to have been suspicious of NP from the moment he walked into this game.
@GekkisaiDaiNi
1. Isn't really important right now because we don't know the alignement of 1 them.
2. He is acting slightly out of character, but I haven't played with him since dazzling star. Is still pretty scummy.
3. Where? I cant find it.
4. You are the one pressuring him. If he wouldn't react strongly he will get even more pressure. It isn't scummy.
I think this is a townie reaction. But that's out of character.
I just don't believe this honestly. Discord mafia is with a lot less players so it mist be different.
This isn't a "coached" reaction. Still don't understand why you think he's scum. Can someone catch me up on that?
You just kept pressuring him when he gave a good defense. That's why it's tunneling.
Reads list: @rainyman123 - Slight scum - Don't believe Gekki's case, but he does hace a different meta.
And don't have a lot of time right now, will finish this when I come home.
Hops on the Rainy case instantly. Claims to disagree with Gekki's case, but his reason for voting him being OOC is kinda weak. Possibility of a cover up.
Sorry, I don't know who the you in that post was. Must have been confused.
So now you've read back can you give your opinion? :L
Hey! I have found a fault in your reasoning. Pressuring inactives. We have enough subs now NP.
Yes it is. Backpedaling - Verb. When a player goes back on something said previously;also refers to when a player suddenly stops scumhunting.
Also @NinjaPenguin your the number 1 lynch canditate right now. Do something abour it.
Fluff with Jade (but it's part of a bigger post so it can be overlooked). Feeding false information. NP was 100% not the top candidate at this time, there was also Gekki who was the main case I think at this point.
Camo and bb are really experienced players so take into account that he isn't as experienced as them.
You don't even mention lordes post? Shifting attention to NP again?
For now: ##unvote
##vote: GekkisaiDaiNi @NinjaPenguin Your still scummy though and if gekki responds to lordes case I will switch my vote again to you.
@Jadethepokemontrainer@Blob55 Why do you have a vote on Lugia?
And changing my vote to NP again because if NP is lynched, we get information on multiple people (especially Gekki). And all the other people who got voted by NP.
It's not because his answer to lordes case, where he basically admitted to doing all of it. ##unvote
##vote: Ninjapenguin
And Celever has a double vote weight. @Celever This is still your RVS vote so please remove it.
As others have said, pointing out a double vw is scummy, since the scum don't have to dissect the vote counts to find it. I cannot think of how this helps town.
Just noticed this bit this is echoing. Also @rainyman123 I wanna know if you intentionally left your vote on NP or just think he's scummy. And last but not least for today: @scattered mind Why are you posting less than last games? Lurking?
Could you explain this to me please? I honestly have never heard that a read list would be considered scummy. It's just a way to get to say opinions about everyone right?
Could you qoute your arguments because i haven't found them.
I'm only tunneling you because I don't want to start a 3-pages argument with gekki. And he is mew to the game so it might be his playstyle.
I am not that smart, bit also not so dumb to come up with that strategy. If I knew it would fail, why would I use this strategy.
Man, I'm bad at making jokes.
You backpedaled here
This is a backpedal right? And why do you think I'm scum, when I'm aggressive
Here we are, the juicy parts. Asking for clarification is townie, points there. However many scummy things come up here. Morda is trying to defend his OOC actions such as his newfound aggression. He also doesn't want to start an argument with Gekki because it would be long. However, said argument would get more information and reactions and tells from all participants in the argument. I think this is ridiculous. He also weakly defends his strategy with some WIFOM as to why he wouldn't attempt the major scum play that NP suggested. Lastly, supplying his scum games is a great way to waste time, since we need to compare this meta with recent town games, nothing else. This is a key post.
People should have their vote on someone at all times, saying it's fine to not have a vote on someone is scummy. Also, echo almost ver batim what was originally said by Jabber.
Really bad case, really bad reasons, grasping at straws and desperately trying to pass this as a case. Honestly, Blob's "case" on Lugia was understandable given the points she gave (even though it wasn't really a case). Also, interesting point, you're hesitant to make a real case on Gekki because he's new and "it might be his play style", but you instantly pulled this out of nowhere. What's with that? Scum points.
I have not led the Blob lynch. That long post about Blob is only to sum up what blob has done.
Note that I said that I will probably vote NP again. I literally said that I would change my vote again if you reacted to my post. How is that flip-flopiness.
Well, I'm also active and talking. Not as active as Gekki but I don't know where he gets his time from. I'm more active than most. This game has really inactive players and that's hurting town the most. (You, Celever, Neurowolf and 2 subs)
I guess I don't understand what flip-flopiness is
How the heck would I pressure if that's no pressure.
It looks like that because the day ended early. If that wouldn't have happened blob would not have been lynched.
If you want to, you guys have 40 more minutes to lynch someone!
NP and morda have one vote each. No one else has a vote on them.
Majority to lynch is 6 votes.
