Finished Mafia XLVI - Salem Forces ~ ENDGAME

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2) @NinjaPenguin , what was your vision last night?

"Guys, we have 3 trials to spend in a period of 5 real life days. I want to propose trailing someone today or tomorrow (in real life) at most, that way we can have the opportunity to trial someone else before Day 2 ends if the first trial results innocent. But I still want to know NP's vision of last night before casting my vote, which will be for Nick if NinjaPenguin doesn't respond by today.
We cannot fail on Day 2."

Why are you so confident that NP got a vision last night?
 
Day 2, Vote-count 1

- All votes are in chronological order.
- The players being voted are in alphabetical order.
- The player with the most votes is tagged.
- The majority to put on trial is 6.
- There have no trials today, so far.

GekkisaiDaiNi (1): TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK.
@TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK (2): GekkisaiDaiNi, quakingpunch73. Nick is at T-4

Once again, I am tagging @FlavorfulPineApl to please speak up. You need to post at least twice more during Day 2, or I'll start looking for subs.
 
I ended up switching my vote to mord. And you know as well as I do that Town vs Town scenarios happen all the time.
That's completely irrelevant. We're looking at where you stood at the time of your claim, not at the end of the day. At the time, you weren't trying to get people to switch to mord, you were trying to get them to switch to TSM. What's scummy isn't that your target flipped town, it's that now you're trying to pretend it never happened by shifting attention away from it and onto a target that hasn't flipped yet.
How is it strawmanning? I didn't belabor the point at all, literally the only thing I said about it was "scum is bound to kill me now". That's called stating a point.
K, so here's my point: you stated/belabored/whatever yesterday that scum would likely kill you. You're still alive. In your first post, you didn't even bring that up––I'd expect at least a "whoa scum didn't kill me". Not saying that indicates that you weren't surprised to not have died; i.e., you had some say in the NK.

You didn't respond to this point. You just said that belaboring =/= stating. It's a strawman because you took something I said that wasn't a point, and tried to defend against it, instead of defending against the real point.
How is that WIFOM?
P much any defense beginning with "if I was scum ..." tends to be WIFOM, meaning that it's a useless defense because it shows you-as-scum would have been actively thinking about it, and therefore thinking a step ahead. This one isn't an exception.
I was just saying that I had more votes than what you said I had.
See above. We were talking about the point at which you claimed, not the point at which the day ended. Stop trying to shift attention off the points on you.
[QUOTEAnd if you're so obsessed with the scumtell of people claiming early, what about @NinjaPenguin?[/QUOTE]
They're completely different circumstances! You claimed early in an attempt to get pressure off you––which is a scumtell. NP claimed early in an attempt to provide us with (admittedly useless) information––which isn't a scumtell. Yeah it's a bit weird that he then said "don't put too much stock in my results", and has now basically disappeared, but that's a different thing entirely.

Remember there are 2 scum teams. What if the Coven actually wanted to kill a Mafia member and he ended up being town?
Bit confused here. What does that have to do with anything?
I don't agree with that. To me, Nick and Drac are at the same level now. Gekki is a few steps below them.
Okay, that's fair. Tbh I don't agree with the case on Drac, so w/e.
Guys, we have 3 trials to spend in a period of 5 real life days. I want to propose trailing someone today or tomorrow (in real life) at most, that way we can have the opportunity to trial someone else before Day 2 ends if the first trial results innocent. But I still want to know NP's vision of last night before casting my vote, which will be for Nick if NinjaPenguin doesn't respond by today.
We cannot fail on Day 2.
A'ight, this bit I do agree with. I'm down for a Nick trial––he's definitely still in my top few scumreads, and I think I mentioned yesterday that he's a good person to look into once we're well past RVS and we've got enough information. Will ##VOTE @TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK atm; no Gekki you're not off the hook yet.

Sorry for asking, but what is this "strawmanning"?
Hi Pineapple, good to see ya. Where might you have been yesterday? Gekki and a few others (myself included) wanted a word. ^.^
 
Hey there Jabber ^.^ Why specifically yesterday? And what word?
Right-o, would recommend reading everything that's happened up to now if you haven't done so already. For quite a while you've been under fire for voting quaking early in D1 with absurdly nonsensical reasoning––basically, we'd all very much like an explanation of what that was about. Then you disappeared for the entire rest of the day, only to come back now without a response to any of it.
 
Sorry for a one day absence; haven't been in a high free time scenario recently and won't be at all D2! Wooooo! Who's ready for a WoT?
Day 2

TheSceptileMaster was killed last night. He was killed by a Necromancer's Ghoul. His role was:
You are the Escort and are aligned with the Town. You’re a beautiful woman skilled in distraction, seeing as you use… methods. Yeah, methods to distract your targets…

Active Ability - Distract: Every night you may PM me ‘Distract [PLAYER]’, and this player will be role blocked that night.

Win Condition: Eliminate all threats to the Town.

Jadethepokemontrainer was killed last night. He was killed by a member of the Mafia. His role was:
You are the Tracker and are aligned with the Town. You are a hunter skilled in the art of following, stalking, and acting.

Active Ability - Follow: Every night you may PM me ‘Follow [PLAYER]’, and you will follow this player. You will see who they targeted that night.

Win Condition: Eliminate all threats to the Town.

- Day 2 has begun and will end Friday November 24, 2017 at 7PM EST, or 120 hours from now.
- New rule, every day starts in the trial phase, and the discussion phase no longer exists.
- You have 3 trials each day. The majority to trial is 6.
So this is definitely a case where NK spec is like semi-okay, since these were both pretty strange choices to be killed. TSM's kill is certainly the most interesting, since whoever wanted him dead likely could have lynched him today. Because of that, I'd guess that the Coven is gunning for maf?
Jade kill is also super interesting; will look at Jade to try to see if there's any reason anyone would want to shut him up.
##VOTE: @TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK

Jade, the main antagonist of Nick, was nightkilled. Investigator (his claim) is identical to Consigiliere (the Mafia's version of Investigator in ToS). As well as the fact that his posts have been fluffy, pointless, and generally unhelpful and confusing, which is the exact opposite of what the Investigator would want to do. I think its possible that it's nooby town behaviour, but the Jade NK really pings my scumdar.
Yeah no. This immediate hop on the must be Nick idea actually makes me think you were trying to frame Nick by the NK. Especially considering you misrepresenting what a Consig is (though you have the idea right; Invest is the most common fakeclaim people give for Consig).

Mariano has a big post going after Drac; just know that he's being more helpful than his normal behavior.
I wasn't very quick to claim, literally everyone had been saying I was the best lynch. I didn't belabor the point, I just stated it. If I was scum, and I had been pushing the TSM case, why would I NK him? I'd keep him alive so I could try to get him lynched today.
Woo my least favorite reasoning ever! This is just total trash that counts for absolutely nothing.
Those results don't make sense. My role is not apart of those results, Vampire Hunter is likely not in the game, and Psychic, which NP claimed, is not apart of that pool. which it would be in the online game.
Quaking, Nick's results get three roles a person could be. Including Psychic would make it four. Based on Quaking's comment, my first thought is that he was Transported or a Medusa. But Lorde hates Trans and I trust her to at least put Quaking's potential safeclaim in the same results as he's in.
{obligatory post pointing out that this is both a bandwagon and an OMGUS}
(obligatory comment asking what makes this bandwagon and OMGUS scummy)
On Day 1, there were many people saying Gekki was kinda scummy. So, if I would be from one of the scum teams (I'm not, just to be clear), I would not kill Gekki because he is likely to be lynched on the day phase. Maybe that explains why he wasn't NK'd.

And this is what I think scum want us to do, lynch Gekki.

I'm tempted to vote Nick now, but before that I want to know 2 things first:
1) What do you think about the Drac thing I mentioned earlier? Nobody ever talked about him.
2) @NinjaPenguin , what was your vision last night?
I don't get a vision every night, unlike the real role. I guess Lorde learned something from the last game she hosted about this type of role.
Also, I never would have claimed if it wasn't N0 only. That would be ridiculous.
Sorry for asking, but what is this "strawmanning"?
Hey PineApl! People have already answered your question, but I'm gonna be here asking for you to contribute something actual to the conversation!
Yeah it's a bit weird that he then said "don't put too much stock in my results"
At that point in the game, my results didn't alter the odds of any given player being scum. Now, they do, seeing as Gekki and PineApl are both now at 50% chance of scum.

I'll get Nick up for trial to preserve day time, but I'd love PineApl or especially Gekki today, seeing as they're scummy and my results only elevate that.
 
Oh and
##VOTE: TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK
for the purposes of getting him on trial and because of his Invest result that didn't match Quaking's role.
 
Day 2, Trial #1

Welcome to the first trial of the day! It looks like @TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK is on trial for conspiracy against the town.

Alright, everyone besides Nick you have until 8AM EST tomorrow to vote 'Guilty' or 'Innocent' in your PM with me. Not submitting a vote (which you can do, and won't be penalized for) means you 'Abstain'. Nick will have this time to plead his case in the thread as well, and the floor is still completely open to discussion. If he is determined innocent he will be free and the game will resume, however if he is determined guilty he will be hanged, his role revealed, and the day will end.
 
So this is definitely a case where NK spec is like semi-okay, since these were both pretty strange choices to be killed. TSM's kill is certainly the most interesting, since whoever wanted him dead likely could have lynched him today. Because of that, I'd guess that the Coven is gunning for maf?
This is exactly what I was trying to say when I analyzed TSM's kill. I think the Coven tried to kill a Mafia member and then the ended up being Town.
I don't get a vision every night, unlike the real role. I guess Lorde learned something from the last game she hosted about this type of role.
Also, I never would have claimed if it wasn't N0 only. That would be ridiculous.
Yeah, I realized of that yesterday. It was my bad.
At that point in the game, my results didn't alter the odds of any given player being scum. Now, they do, seeing as Gekki and PineApl are both now at 50% chance of scum.

I'll get Nick up for trial to preserve day time, but I'd love PineApl or especially Gekki today, seeing as they're scummy and my results only elevate that.
I was thinking the same yesterday. Now we are focusing on Nick, who is also scum in my opinion, but Day 3 will be ideal to focus on either Gekki or PineApl. However, I'm not forgetting about the Drac thing.
 
I am really busy IRL, but I'll try to keep up. I see that Nick is up for the trial. I think we should think about who's next so we will have more time to put another person on trial in the event Nick survives this.

So.. I guess I'll find one.
 
##VOTE: Mariano11887

Your action on the voting and unvoting back really gave me bad vibes

What do you mean? What was specifically scummy there for you?

I really wonder what's the purpose of the game if everyone posts their role. Sorry but I don't see it.

Same here.

I do think Gekki is the better lynch for today though, at this point, due to having more interactions with everyone than Nick, as well as being on NP's list, which boosts the odds of him being scum. ##Vote: GekkisaiDaiNi

So the reason to vote Gekki is only because of the list? Or is there another reason?
 
Mariano11887 said:I really wonder what's the purpose of the game if everyone posts their role. Sorry but I don't see it.

Same here.
This was after Nick posted his role, very close to the moment Gekki posted his one. So I was asking myself what is the funny thing with this game if everyone makes his role public, because one of the things that makes this game funny is the searching for the scum. I know not everyone did it, but by that moment there was 3 people who claimed Town and I didn't want anyone else to do it.

Now I know that claiming not necessarily means he is actually town-aligned.
 
I lied. What I really found was that Pinapl could be Godfather. I know the both of us have secretly despised each other. This could mean that it was all a setup to get me lynched.
 
What?? I could not be an expert in English, but I really can't find the relationship between those sentences. If someone understands it, please explain it to me.

I lied. What I really found was that Pinapl could be Godfather.
Why did you lie? If you really found that PineApl could be Godfather, what was the problem in telling it? Did you realize that nobody is going to beleive you anymore?
I know the both of us have secretly despised each other.
PineApl and you? What does it have to do with anything?
This could mean that it was all a setup to get me lynched.
I can't beleive I'm reading this... You gained the lynch (I hope) because of your own words!
 
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