OH THERE'S THE OTHER QUESTION.
And here's my response:
Like, I full-on quoted NP in it and everything.
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And here's my response:
What specifically makes you think that Cel is bussing me (as opposed to it being scum vs townie or townie vs townie)?
Maybe stop pushing me constantly, so I can have the time to make a case on someone?
Of course, there are a large amount of players who have no pressure on them. That's regrettable, and should be changed. But instead of doing so (what happened to your extremely aggressive RVS play, huh?) you opted to OMGUS me instead. I'm not going to move my vote away from obvscum to potentially end up pressuring an inexperienced townie who buckles under the pressure, giving you a free pass. That sounds like a fairly dumb thing to do.
I can't pressure people and defend myself, due to the fact that writing a post on mobile takes so much more time than normal. If you took the time to back off, I could.
I want everyone to comment on NP's case, no exceptions, and from the time of this post. IDC if you've done it already. A genuine (he is town / not town / I'm ambivalent because of XYZ). Will tag when I get to a computer (and reply to bb's post because he gets sad when I don't).[/QUOTE]
People have said that before. I don't defend against points that haven't been made. Please stop tunneling me, and read the thread to determine what I really am saying. Don't expect a response from me unless it's a new point, and stop twisting my words.
That being said, bb's case on you is a large reach. I actually consider your play townie so far, since I don't think you as scum would reach for a mislynch so much on Day 1.
Also, make a full case on me (even if it is just quoting yourself for an entire post, as a tl;dr for those who feel like skimming this argument (and give a point list, like bb did). This is like a Celever-Camo argument; it just hurts the town (as people are to afraid too bring up their own thoughts and lurkers don't read the thread fully), and provides nothing but an innocent lynch.
A number of questions from myself and others, and a number of responses and other posts have occurred between those two posts. If you expect me to have the exact same read after all of that, then that is absurd.
No clue what you're trying to achieve here, since that post contains the contradiction. You say that there is a large amount of players without pressure and this is a problem, yet you were the one that exclusively focused on NP early on, which is counterproductive to this spread-pressure idea. Hence, it's a contradiction in ideas.
I said exactly why restating the case would be helpful for both myself and others. To quote you again:
"If you know already (replace with "your case" for this context) it shouldn't take any time or desire."
It shouldn't take you much time to restate your case if you know it. It would certainly take less time than the time it would have taken to make all these recent posts.
Yes, I agree, this is becoming confusing, and so I'm leaving it here. You definitely didn't respond directly; you might have responded to me indirectly, and if you did, be more explicit next time.
Believe it or not, I don't stick to one extreme. I'm not trying to tunnel NP as town. I'm trying to build a good read. If a point makes sense, then it makes sense. If a point doesn't make sense, or is defended well, then that point doesn't make sense or is defended well. Again, you expecting me to have the exact same read after points are raised (even in a single post) is unrealistic.
I'd like to see @everyone's thoughts on this, particularly yours @scattered mind. Do you think that Celever's case makes sense or not, and why? Do you think that my points make sense or not, and why? If NP is lynched and flips, what do you think it indiccates of other players (not necessarily just me)?
I'd like to clarify that I don't actually have a case on Celever, nor am I trying to build a case (or wagon) on him. I don't think I've actually said that he's actually scum, rather that he's being anti-town and that the odd thing is scummy (however not yet commented on whether that indicates an alignment). My vote is on him atm, but it's just pressure; I'm planning on moving it soon.
This last paragraph is just setting up a lynch. BB is a good no matter how I flip? At least make up your mind on why you think he's defending me (trying to stop my lynch, or trying to get towncred from it).
I am not sure what the connection certain players believe NP and bb have is. I even asked Rainy about it and still waiting for an answer.
The best thing I can find is the way bb was vague about NP's case?
I also don't like that Celever ignored my and others request to reexplain the case on NP. Or at least explaining why not.
Also I must admit that once bb and Celever start arguing, it becomes a real mess that no one including them can really understand what's going on anymore. It's like one of them should really summarize their argument for the sake of other's ability to participate.
The best thing I can find is the way bb was vague about NP's case?
I also don't like that Celever ignored my and others request to reexplain the case on NP. Or at least explaining why not.
Also I must admit that once bb and Celever start arguing, it becomes a real mess that no one including them can really understand what's going on anymore. It's like one of them should really summarize their argument for the sake of other's ability to participate.
Basically both of them did the townie thing of stopping the conversation for others to comment so that is one townie point for each one.
Sorry for third post in a row- going to be at work for the next 4 hours, so I will have limited access/willingness to post through my phone.
Yeah...fell asleep while typing
If you think he's scum, why wouldn't we vote for him?
Here I go:
If I understand the whole case, it started by NP saying bb's vote was a good vote? Which I don't exactly see how that's scummy...could someone please explain? Also playing more aggressive than usual. I saw him not answering some questions and saying he needed to leave, then he'd still be on and but not answering the questions (I believe he answered all the questions eventually, though will look back again to double check).
I don't really know if I see Cel a scummy or not, I was mainly going with the fact that he was tunneling into NP right away. Don't have anything else on him atm so I'm just going to drop that case and keep an eye on him.
I find this confusing. So bb's a good lynch option either way?
also I don't see a reason to keep my vote where it is, so ##Unvote: Haunted Water
@Jadethepokemontrainer Any response to my question?
In theory, a case on someone should come in the next couple of hours. I may have to do some errands, so you shouldn't count on it. It will be up by the day of the day, though.
In theory, a case on someone should come in the next couple of hours. I may have to do some errands, so you shouldn't count on it. It will be up by the day of the day, though.
NP's play isn't even remotely close to Camo, because the only aggresive thing was pressuring me because I didn't give a reason in RVS.
Why? Why do you think NP is scum?
@Jadethepokemontrainer Do you have a Double Voteweight
How is that scummy?
*Facepalm emoji*
No, I think it started because NP was pressuring me aggresively because I didn't give reasoning for an RVS vote.
Yes I do
My thoughts on NP haven't changed much. I no longer see much connection with bb (which I think could be planned to distance them from each other). He's been pretty illogical a few times, as well as hypocritical based on the situation he's in.
This is normal. We've seen him get like this pretty much every recent game D1. He seems like anti-town but considering it's Celever there's nothing new happening here.
It made sense at first but they're doing well distancing themselves from each other. That said, NP's lynch gives an accurate read on BB, which in these games is crucial.
Guys this is an absolute mess. Celever needs to stop tunneling, both BB and Celever need to stop fueling each other's fires, or we'll end up lynching a townie caught in the middle. ##UNVOTE: Professor Palutena
Kinda true, kinda not true. Mostly he would, occasionally he wouldn't. Great point though, never thought of that.
If you have any time, you mind requoting the question? You've asked quite a few so I have no idea which question you're referring to.
Jade's right, that's exactly what put NP in the spotlight, but him pressuring you was a factor.
tbh to thought I kind of explained it here. It was just a minor thought.
Eventually we might vote for him but the day is still running, and it's always important to look for other options.
Because of the case made by Celever, which I sort of paraphrased here:
And I said, it is an alarming issue if used as a defense.
I doubt that this was a defense made by NP for bb. I think scum NP would not feel the need to defend scum bb because of 1. bb's experience to handle by himself. 2. the fact that it was a weak accusation. Putting a vote after someone else does not risk anything if it's just 2 votes during RVS, so the point made by Lord (I think it was Lord) was not very good. I was actually thinking that it was a slip because it seemed like NP referred to something bb said somewhere, but then NP explained that it is some kind of play to get reaction by himself. bb never confirmed this, iirc.
ah kk I get it now
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