Discussion What's the BDIF and How to Beat It.

Discussion in 'PTCG Competitive Play' started by Lord Goomy, May 5, 2018.

  1. OppositeAttract Aspiring Trainer


    I'm not entirely certain which deck is the best deck in the current format, but Alohan Muk has helped immensely in my Buzzrock deck against attacking hoppa, and anytime someone plays Mew (which was a lot only a couple weeks ago).
    Personally, I feel like Zoroark/Garbodor is probably the best Zoroark variant right now given the meta and Lucario is probably the most overhyped (similar to how Decidueye was)

  2. Chicken Nugget Master I had the munchies when I came up with my username
    Chicken Nugget Master


    Yes, I hoped I hadn't started anything either, I'm glad we're all on the same page now. The results I'm going on are mainly from Sao Paulo, Santiago and Jakarta, also from PTCGO (although that doesn't count as 'major tournaments') which is arguably the best source for meta decks outside of major tournaments.
  3. TuxedoBlack Old School Player


    First of all, I'm not trying to be argumentative; but, IMO, the 1 "recent major tournament results" does not provide enough justification versus multiple major tournaments or a season of major tournaments ("like" Night March).

    In regards to deck tiers, IMO, I would rank the following decks accordingly:

    Tier 1: Buzzwole-Garbodor, Buzzwole-Lycanroc, and Espeon-Garbodor

    Tier 2: Gardevoir-Zoroark, Golisopod-Garbodor, Vika-Bulu, Volcanion-Turtonator, Zoroark-Golisopod

    Tier 3: Buzzwole variants (*), Gardevoir-Sylveon, Glaceon-Ninetales, Zoroark variants (*)

    My groupings are based upon several factors including: personal experience playing or competing against said deck "many" times, number of times seeing the deck played by other players, perceived popularity, versatility, damage output, attack options, and board control options.

    * = Other than specifically listed above
    Last edited: May 6, 2018
  4. Sabaku Aspiring Trainer


    If you asked me to bet money on a Bo3 battle with one deck of my choosing, I would likely pick Buzzwole/Lycanroc. Other than that, I would choose just about anything starring Zoroark-GX, especially Zoroark-GX/Gardevoir-GX.
  5. Lord Goomy Got Goomies?
    Lord Goomy


    The list has been updated! Keep it coming!
    (Remember that you can change where anything is located if you make a strong point.)
  6. OppositeAttract Aspiring Trainer


    VikaBulu is better than DuskZone because it has consistently placed well (and I believe better than DuskZone), and doesn't require you to have the energy in hand.
  7. Chicken Nugget Master I had the munchies when I came up with my username
    Chicken Nugget Master


    Are you saying that (in your opinion) Zoroark is not a tier 1 deck? I am sorry, but that I simply cannot agree with. This may be your opinion, but factually Zoroark is a tier 1 deck, and has been for a LONG time. There is no denying that. You also place Volcanion tier 2, a deck that not seen any major tournament placements (regionals-wise) since Collinsville, which was two and a half months ago! Here is my factually backed up opinion (provided by Limitless TCG) on which decks (as wholes, not split into variants) are in what tiers:

    Tier 1:


    Tier 2:

    Turbo Metal

    Tier 3:
    Attack Hoopa
    Turbo Fire
    (Primarily) Lucario
    (Primarily) Golisopod

    Tier 4:
    Mill Decks
    Rogue Decks

    * = Not part of the 'Top Triangle' as @FrostBiter12 described it to be, but still good enough to be classed as tier 1.

    Please tell me if I missed any, and if you think I should put some decks in different tiers.
    Last edited: May 6, 2018
  8. FrostBiter12 Upcoming Worlds Competitor!


    Hey @Chicken Nugget Master!

    Hmm, I guess VikaBulu is good enough to be in Tier 1 since it has been placing well, but I haven't seen it win a Regional yet. I think that would be the only reason for it not to be in Tier 1, but it isn't definitely a top competitor in my opinion. The rest of the list looks pretty good, though I don't think that Ho-oh GX is better than Turbo Metal (DMN GX/Magenzone I assume) since DMN GX/Magnezone made 3 Top 64 placements in Sao Paulo while Ho-oh GX only made one (and that was in 63rd place). Sylveon GX hasn't been doing to well recently, so I would keep an eye on it to see whether or not it needs to move down a Tier. Besides that, everything else looks fine in my opinion!

    Hope this helps!
  9. Chicken Nugget Master I had the munchies when I came up with my username
    Chicken Nugget Master


    I can agree with you on that, I'll swap Turbo Metal and Ho-Oh around. I'll keep Sylveon where it is for now, although if a deck were to overtake it (I find whenever a deck falls a tier, another one usually takes it's place) I would say it would be Glaceon, as it hasn't seen as much play as it was hyped up to.
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  10. biffthepotato It's Wednesday M'dudes


    Oh, VikaBulu is weak to over 210 HP Pokemon, and the KOing of there Vikavolt.

    Quad (more like triple) Sylveon is weak to cards that can accelerate energy from the discard fast, and recovery cards.

    I think that Volcanion deserves a tier 2 spot for its sheer consistency and high damage output, and Volc has done well every once in awhile and has decent mach-ups across the board (Except for Glaceon), but is weak to decks that can KO multiple Volcs at the same (Jet Punch), hit for weakness, or out speed it.
  11. heh. heheh. thanks.

    Sylveon has consistently gotten top 8 in the last few reigonals or so. do i need to say more?

    Greninja is also good.

    oh right. sylveon has a weakness.
    i already mentioned it.



    dumb energy recycle.
  12. Laurier_Ex Ninja master


    No one mentionned Passimian/Mew FCO decks. It has what it takes to be a good anti meta rogue deck. It hits for weakness on both Psychic or Fighting types so it can beat Buzzwole-Gx and Zoroark-Gx kinda easily. It can also beat Garbodor and its friends, Drampa-Gx and Espeon-Gx easily (unless the Ability lock is done very early).

    Currently i am testing with Passimian/Mew FCO deck. Instead of focusing solely on these attackers, i am trying to include a few pokemon friends to the deck. Since the deck neturally uses Mew FCO and Counter Energy, it opens a lot of tech possibilities. Sudowoodo, Cobalion and such are the first ones we think of but there can be so many. For exemple, this deck does not use Gx attack but could easily include a single pokemon Gx copy just so that Mew FCO can copy its Gx attack.

    I used Mew FCO in one of my deck this weak to copy Timeless Gx and take 4 prizes while i was behind 4-1. Timeless Gx or Glutton-Gx are extreme attacks one could copy with Mew FCO but there are many options.
  13. TuxedoBlack Old School Player


    Zoroark was just an oversight on my part; however, it is used in a lot of different decks and not all (not even half + (?) would qualify for T1, IMO).

    IMO, just because a deck may not be as popular as others does not dis-qualify it from a high deck Tier ranking. Volcanion decks got an interesting "boost" with the FL set and it still setups fast, has versatility, good attackers and can inflict significant damage. The right pilot could do well with this deck...
  14. jix99 Imagine if Pichu was in splatoon :D


    Lucario? Busted.

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