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Finished The Challenge: Season 7 - And the Winner is...
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Oh, now you pop up lol. I was indeed redirected to Vracken, but I didn't kill him. I was trying to find out if Vracken was lying about his role in our Skype room or not. Unfortunately I have to leave now so I won't be able to further explain until late tonight.
Current Tally!
Vom (1): mordacazir
Has Note Voted: @Skyleaf2000 @Vom
Night falls in a little over 2 days or whenever all 3 players submit a final vote, whichever is sooner.
Vom (1): mordacazir
Has Note Voted: @Skyleaf2000 @Vom
Night falls in a little over 2 days or whenever all 3 players submit a final vote, whichever is sooner.
So I'm a name seer. Here, have a claim:
Also, if anyone wants to read it (it's LONG, but it's worth it I think) here are all of the logs in the Skype room I had with Vracken:
And so it ends. Also, he posted a part of the chat in our personal convo (as in, IMd me instead of the WW room) so it might look slightly weird. I don't wanna place a vote and risk a hammer, but if I could, it'd be on @mordacazir . You still haven't said anything relative to my previous post (or posts, I can't remember if you ignored only one of them or more).
You are Retired Ninja Saizou, the most laid back inhabitant of Inari Village, and a member of the Villagers. You once worked as a mercenary for hire, doing odd and dangerous jobs that no one else dared touched. You made enough money to retire early at a young age and decided to spend you remaining years in a life of luxury relaxing in Inari.
Win Condition: Kill all Kitsune and/or any other hostile parties.
Active Role: High Contacts - Your past as a mercenary has allowed you to meet many important people, and you may call upon your contacts to obtain information. At any point during the Night phase, you may PM me a player name. You'll learn their role name.
Passive Role: Cautious - No one knows how to watch their back like an ex-mercenary. In the event of your death, a trap in your house will be triggered, exposing your attacker.
Win Condition: Kill all Kitsune and/or any other hostile parties.
Active Role: High Contacts - Your past as a mercenary has allowed you to meet many important people, and you may call upon your contacts to obtain information. At any point during the Night phase, you may PM me a player name. You'll learn their role name.
Passive Role: Cautious - No one knows how to watch their back like an ex-mercenary. In the event of your death, a trap in your house will be triggered, exposing your attacker.
Also, if anyone wants to read it (it's LONG, but it's worth it I think) here are all of the logs in the Skype room I had with Vracken:
[3/19/16 8:02:17 PM | Edited 8:02:25 PM] Sol Vracken: So, um, this is my role, I figure I have nothing to lose at this point
[3/19/16 8:02:23 PM | Edited 8:04:10 PM] Sol Vracken: You are Detective Hinata, a young lawman of Inari Village, and a member of the Villagers. Working under Constable Takumi and with your partner Oboro, you have been placed in charge of the kitsune hunt, and you dedicate all of your waking hours (and half of your sleeping ones) to figuring out the truth. You’re young, but incredibly enthusiastic about your job and you know more about kitsune than any humans in the town.
Win Condition: Kill all Kitsune and/or any other hostile parties.
Active Role: Kitsune Hunter - In your role as detective, you are constantly looking around the town and trying to spot possible kitsune threats. Each night, you can PM me the name of a player and I will tell you whether they belong to the Kitsune faction, the Villager faction, or another faction.
Passive Role: Sneaky - When you’re out on the prowl for kitsune, you’re very careful about being unnoticed and covering your tracks. No one will be able to watch or track you during the Night, but other actions will affect you normally.
[3/19/16 8:02:57 PM] Joaquin - Vom: Gimme a sec to post my role
[3/19/16 8:03:02 PM] Joaquin - Vom: also
[3/19/16 8:03:06 PM] Joaquin - Vom: have you scanned anyone?
[3/19/16 8:03:14 PM | Edited 8:03:16 PM] Sol Vracken: I seered you and luispipe8
[3/19/16 8:03:27 PM] Joaquin - Vom: well, neither are helpful lol
[3/19/16 8:03:35 PM | Edited 8:03:39 PM] Sol Vracken: yea
[3/19/16 8:03:38 PM | Edited 8:03:40 PM] Sol Vracken: It was not ideal
[3/19/16 8:03:59 PM | Edited 8:04:00 PM] Sol Vracken: I was going to seer bbninjas, but thankfully he was lynched so I didn't get poisoned
[3/19/16 8:04:09 PM] Joaquin - Vom: yeah, that's good
[3/19/16 8:04:18 PM] Joaquin - Vom: wait brb
[3/19/16 8:09:17 PM] Joaquin - Vom: alright back
[3/19/16 8:10:00 PM | Edited 8:10:07 PM] Sol Vracken: So you have run a game before, and you probably know more about this than I do. How many Kitsune do you think there were?
[3/19/16 8:10:14 PM | Edited 8:10:15 PM] Sol Vracken: Total, at the start of the game
[3/19/16 8:10:56 PM | Edited 8:11:05 PM] Joaquin - Vom: well, I've never played in a game this small before, but keeper and I went with 1: 3 (or something like that) ratio
[3/19/16 8:11:25 PM | Edited 8:11:26 PM] Sol Vracken: Hmmm, that means we have to lynch one or else we lose tomorrow
[3/19/16 8:11:42 PM | Edited 8:11:45 PM] Sol Vracken: Also your role claim?
[3/19/16 8:11:44 PM] Joaquin - Vom: how many players were there at the start of the game?
[3/19/16 8:11:48 PM | Edited 8:11:49 PM] Sol Vracken: 10
[3/19/16 8:11:54 PM] Joaquin - Vom: oh I forgot lol
[3/19/16 8:12:13 PM] Joaquin - Vom: there should be 3-4 kitsune
[3/19/16 8:12:31 PM | Edited 8:12:32 PM] Sol Vracken: If there were 4 then they would have won already
[3/19/16 8:13:23 PM] Joaquin - Vom: right lol
[3/19/16 8:13:24 PM] Joaquin - Vom: anyways
[3/19/16 8:13:28 PM] Joaquin - Vom: You are Retired Ninja Saizou, the most laid back inhabitant of Inari Village, and a member of the Villagers. You once worked as a mercenary for hire, doing odd and dangerous jobs that no one else dared touched. You made enough money to retire early at a young age and decided to spend you remaining years in a life of luxury relaxing in Inari.
Win Condition: Kill all Kitsune and/or any other hostile parties.
Active Role: High Contacts - Your past as a mercenary has allowed you to meet many important people, and you may call upon your contacts to obtain information. At any point during the Night phase, you may PM me a player name. You'll learn their role name.
Passive Role: Cautious - No one knows how to watch their back like an ex-mercenary. In the event of your death, a trap in your house will be triggered, exposing your attacker.
[3/19/16 8:13:32 PM] Joaquin - Vom: also bbl
[3/19/16 8:13:42 PM | Edited 8:13:43 PM] Sol Vracken: bbl?
[3/19/16 8:14:38 PM] Joaquin - Vom: nvm, I thought my mom was going to tell me to do something but apparently not
[3/19/16 8:14:45 PM] Joaquin - Vom: bbl= be back later
[3/19/16 8:14:48 PM | Edited 8:15:01 PM] Sol Vracken: oh
[3/19/16 8:15:00 PM | Edited 8:15:02 PM] Sol Vracken: I have never seen anyone use that before
[3/19/16 8:15:11 PM] Joaquin - Vom: really?
[3/19/16 8:15:19 PM | Edited 8:15:20 PM] Sol Vracken: I don't think so
[3/19/16 8:16:17 PM] Joaquin - Vom: hm, the more you know
[3/19/16 8:16:31 PM] Joaquin - Vom: also sorry if I'm not terribly talkative rn, I'm kind of in the middle of something
[3/19/16 8:16:38 PM | Edited 8:16:44 PM] Sol Vracken: Our current chat is a lot more dead than the old one
[3/19/16 8:16:40 PM | Edited 8:16:48 PM] Sol Vracken: no worries
[3/19/16 8:16:42 PM | Edited 8:16:49 PM] Sol Vracken: ^w^
[3/19/16 8:18:46 PM | Edited 8:28:51 PM] Sol Vracken: So who have you used your High Contacts ability on?
[3/19/16 8:54:56 PM] Joaquin - Vom: TDK
[3/19/16 8:55:28 PM] Joaquin - Vom: he's takumi
[3/19/16 8:55:34 PM] Joaquin - Vom: also sorry for late reply, wasn't here x_x
[3/19/16 8:55:44 PM] Joaquin - Vom: and I prob won't be able to answer for the rest of the night, so there's that
[3/19/16 8:55:52 PM | Edited 8:55:53 PM] Sol Vracken: No worries, I understand people wont be here all the time ^w^
[3/19/16 8:56:18 PM | Edited 8:56:19 PM] Sol Vracken: Anyway, have a good night
[3/20/16 5:41:19 PM | Edited 5:41:20 PM] Sol Vracken: Vom, are you the independent? Something doesn't add up with your claim and my result of seering you
[3/20/16 6:23:43 PM] Joaquin - Vom: lol no
[3/20/16 6:23:53 PM] Joaquin - Vom: you must be a crazy cop then
[3/21/16 1:59:55 AM | Edited 2:00:07 AM] Sol Vracken: Well, my results were that I couldn't track you
[3/21/16 2:00:05 AM | Edited 2:00:08 AM] Sol Vracken: and that Luispipe8 was a Kitsune
[3/21/16 2:00:30 AM | Edited 2:00:54 AM] Sol Vracken: You being untrackable made sense for if you were the independent
[3/21/16 2:00:52 AM | Edited 2:00:56 AM] Sol Vracken: Otherwise I am either crazy or insane
[3/21/16 2:01:14 AM | Edited 2:01:15 AM] Sol Vracken: or someone used something on you that made you untrackable
[3/21/16 5:19:10 AM | Edited 5:19:30 AM] Sol Vracken: I also don't want to out you in thread, but to be honest, I have nothing on anyone else, people aren't posting enough and you are the only person I have any real information on. I don't actually think you're scum, I just think your lynch gives the more information. My gut says telling everyone my results and my thoughts is best and letting them decide, but my brain says that is a bad idea, especially since I don't want to be mean to you :/
[3/21/16 5:25:05 AM | Edited 5:25:06 AM] Sol Vracken: Sorry, my inexperience leads me to be useless in this situation
[3/21/16 8:26:19 AM] Joaquin - Vom: don't worry about it, I'm not gonna get mad or anything lol. You don't trust me (normal in WW games) and you have a way of proving my claim, so your instinct is to verify said claim. I'd just appreciate it if you didn't tell everyone about my role unless it's necessary, for obvious reasons.
[3/21/16 8:27:10 AM] Joaquin - Vom: crazy and insane cop are the same thing :U
[3/21/16 3:15:57 PM | Edited 3:16:03 PM] Sol Vracken: Is there a term for getting random results then, cause that is what I might have
[3/21/16 3:17:22 PM | Edited 3:17:23 PM] Sol Vracken: Ok then, now that I have caught up on the thread, I am going to make a case
[3/21/16 4:21:33 PM | Edited 4:21:59 PM] Sol Vracken: Yo Vom, if you have the time to go through this post then awesome, if not all good. I want you to have a heads up and to try and poke holes in it if possible
[3/21/16 4:24:51 PM | Edited 4:36:53 PM] Sol Vracken: Please bear with me, this might be a little long, it is all speculation, there are likely holes (point them out please, a better argument only helps town), and it is a complete gamble, I just think town is very likely to lose if we do nothing.
There are a few things I want to talk about first. Firstly the number of Kitsune there are.
The game started with 10 players, leaving us with four options for the number of Kitsune.
1: Obviously not the case, as bbninjas has died, but the game still goes on
4: Obviously not the case as town would have lost at day 2
This leaves us with either 2 or 3, with 3 also substituting 1 Kitsune for an independent, although at this point that isn’t too relevant.
Reasons for each option
3: No Independent
2: No Independent
Due to the use of poison, I believe this to be the more likely option, if we had lynched town instead of bbninjas, I would have seered him, and have died in the next day’s night due to poison. I believe Athena wants this game to be short, but not two-three days/nights, although that is just personal belief, if Athena wants the Challenge to be more important than this challenge, I could see why, although I feel that is throwing safety dynamics into the wind with a lopsided game, which again, might be what Athena is after.
3: One Independent
I don’t really have an argument for it, I just want to point out it is an option, details below.
What does this mean for the game? It means that if there were three starting Kitsune, town loses tonight unless town lynches another Kitsune. If there are only two, then tomorrow is towns last opportunity. If there is an independent, town loses tomorrow without a successful lynch today.
Ok all of that may have been obvious, but here we continue, that was just the ground work and people need to decide how many Kitsune they think there are left, since it determines when town loses, and you should vote accordingly.
Who should be lynched?
As far as I am concerned, barring some extremely ballsy play from bbninjas, which he has already done this game so this isn’t too far stretched, skyleaf2000 is the most cleared person, although I can see a lynch opportunity if there were three starting Kitsune. I do want to point out though, if bbninjas planned for people to target him to get poisoned, then it doesn’t make sense for him to have died second day, although he may have been unable to control the lynch outcome which is a real possibility, which is why I think skyleaf2000 is town.
TDK has been softcleared to me in the case of only 1 Kitsune left with the reveal of his character name. However, if there are 2 kitsune or an independent then I believe it is him and Vom, based off of my results, although I am not sure which one is which.
That leaves myself and Mordacazir. In the name of self-preservation, I am not going to say lynch me, and the only reasons I can state would just end up looking like I am saying them to argue that I am not a Kitsune rather than actually not looking like a Kitsune. In this particular case, the Kitsune benefits from no one doing anything for as long as possible to pick people off without suspicion if there is only one left, or if there are two left, they don’t ned to act as they win tonight if there is no lynch, however now that I have said that, it kinda becomes an invalid defense as I was the one to point it out.
Mordacazir has been inactive (although with the rest of us that isn’t saying much) but that also means he is the only person I have zero information on barring a bad rolefish at the end here, which normally is scummy in my opinion, but in this case would make for bad play since the Kitsune just wants nothing to happen and to night kill more than they want to try to form a lynch, doubly so if there are two kitsune left meaning I think this action while scummy, does not shift my view on Mordacazir’s scumness although I have already made up my mind on him, and therefore I believe he is the best lynch target.
These are opinions, based on some fact, please come to your own conclusions, I just want to spell everything out and add my thought process since we need some discussion.
This is my role claim
I have role claimed since I am supposed to be a seer much like Jabberwock (Oboro), however my seering revealed that Vom was untraceable, and that Luispipe8 was scum, which Luispipe8 was not, and Vom has role claimed to me (in a chat allowed by rule 8), but lacks anything that would make him untraceable. As I see it there are two options, I receive random results, or I receive opposite results (or paranoid). For the former, there is nothing I can do about that, and it fits in with Oboro being similar, for the latter it doesn’t explain why Vom was untraceable, and one of his abilities doesn’t fit with what we currently know about the game, although I am giving him the benefit of the doubt for this and he requested I not post information on him.
I believe the best lynch order is Vom, then depending on Vom's role flip depends on whether I think TDK is a Kitsune or Mordacazir.
[3/21/16 4:37:36 PM | Edited 4:37:37 PM] Sol Vracken: Again, I don't actually think you are the scum, I just think that you are the best lynch option since your reveal likely outs or confirms TDK
[3/21/16 4:38:22 PM | Edited 4:38:23 PM] Sol Vracken: So I do want to add in your ability to determine names, but otherwise I will just hint at it
[3/21/16 5:35:35 PM] Joaquin - Vom: In the event that multiple factions lose, each will votethis makes me think there's an indie (or an indie faction, though I think the game's too small)
[3/21/16 5:35:46 PM] Joaquin - Vom: Mordacazir has been inactive (although with the rest of us that isn’t saying much)he hasn't posted at all
[3/21/16 5:35:51 PM] Joaquin - Vom: anything important, anyway
[3/21/16 5:36:23 PM] Joaquin - Vom: in this case would make for bad playI agree, but we need to pressure him a bit so he gives his thoughts or something
[3/21/16 5:40:03 PM] Joaquin - Vom: As I see it there are two optionseither of us could have been jailed, too
[3/21/16 5:41:24 PM] Joaquin - Vom: I don't actually think you are the scum, I just think that you are the best lynch option in case you are since your reveal likely outs or confirms TDK
So I do want to add in your ability to determine names, but otherwise I will just hint at itI understand completely, dw. I'd rather have morda share some thoughts before you post though
[3/21/16 5:41:33 PM] Joaquin - Vom: otherwise he'll prob just echo
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Sol Vracken: Yea, I agree. It was one reason why I didn't post it this morning, the other being that I had to work something out which I have forgotten over the course of the day
[3/22/16 12:42:35 AM | Edited 12:43:17 AM] Sol Vracken: You know, thinking about it, you might be right about mordacizir
[3/22/16 12:43:28 AM] Joaquin - Vom: who's mordacizir?
[3/22/16 12:44:34 AM | Edited 12:45:17 AM] Sol Vracken: Er, mordacazir
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Sol Vracken: It's just that I don't have any info on him that bugs me
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Joaquin - Vom: Well, that's normal, he hasn't really said anything
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Joaquin - Vom: which I pointed out
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Joaquin - Vom: but everyone ignored
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Joaquin - Vom: ;~;
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Sol Vracken: Poor Vom, have a cookie
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Sol Vracken: ^w^
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Joaquin - Vom: lol thanks ^.^
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Joaquin - Vom: anyways
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Joaquin - Vom: I have to go sleep
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Joaquin - Vom: night!
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Sol Vracken: good night Vom
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Sol Vracken: don't let the bed bugs bite
[3/19/16 8:02:23 PM | Edited 8:04:10 PM] Sol Vracken: You are Detective Hinata, a young lawman of Inari Village, and a member of the Villagers. Working under Constable Takumi and with your partner Oboro, you have been placed in charge of the kitsune hunt, and you dedicate all of your waking hours (and half of your sleeping ones) to figuring out the truth. You’re young, but incredibly enthusiastic about your job and you know more about kitsune than any humans in the town.
Win Condition: Kill all Kitsune and/or any other hostile parties.
Active Role: Kitsune Hunter - In your role as detective, you are constantly looking around the town and trying to spot possible kitsune threats. Each night, you can PM me the name of a player and I will tell you whether they belong to the Kitsune faction, the Villager faction, or another faction.
Passive Role: Sneaky - When you’re out on the prowl for kitsune, you’re very careful about being unnoticed and covering your tracks. No one will be able to watch or track you during the Night, but other actions will affect you normally.
[3/19/16 8:02:57 PM] Joaquin - Vom: Gimme a sec to post my role
[3/19/16 8:03:02 PM] Joaquin - Vom: also
[3/19/16 8:03:06 PM] Joaquin - Vom: have you scanned anyone?
[3/19/16 8:03:14 PM | Edited 8:03:16 PM] Sol Vracken: I seered you and luispipe8
[3/19/16 8:03:27 PM] Joaquin - Vom: well, neither are helpful lol
[3/19/16 8:03:35 PM | Edited 8:03:39 PM] Sol Vracken: yea
[3/19/16 8:03:38 PM | Edited 8:03:40 PM] Sol Vracken: It was not ideal
[3/19/16 8:03:59 PM | Edited 8:04:00 PM] Sol Vracken: I was going to seer bbninjas, but thankfully he was lynched so I didn't get poisoned
[3/19/16 8:04:09 PM] Joaquin - Vom: yeah, that's good
[3/19/16 8:04:18 PM] Joaquin - Vom: wait brb
[3/19/16 8:09:17 PM] Joaquin - Vom: alright back
[3/19/16 8:10:00 PM | Edited 8:10:07 PM] Sol Vracken: So you have run a game before, and you probably know more about this than I do. How many Kitsune do you think there were?
[3/19/16 8:10:14 PM | Edited 8:10:15 PM] Sol Vracken: Total, at the start of the game
[3/19/16 8:10:56 PM | Edited 8:11:05 PM] Joaquin - Vom: well, I've never played in a game this small before, but keeper and I went with 1: 3 (or something like that) ratio
[3/19/16 8:11:25 PM | Edited 8:11:26 PM] Sol Vracken: Hmmm, that means we have to lynch one or else we lose tomorrow
[3/19/16 8:11:42 PM | Edited 8:11:45 PM] Sol Vracken: Also your role claim?
[3/19/16 8:11:44 PM] Joaquin - Vom: how many players were there at the start of the game?
[3/19/16 8:11:48 PM | Edited 8:11:49 PM] Sol Vracken: 10
[3/19/16 8:11:54 PM] Joaquin - Vom: oh I forgot lol
[3/19/16 8:12:13 PM] Joaquin - Vom: there should be 3-4 kitsune
[3/19/16 8:12:31 PM | Edited 8:12:32 PM] Sol Vracken: If there were 4 then they would have won already
[3/19/16 8:13:23 PM] Joaquin - Vom: right lol
[3/19/16 8:13:24 PM] Joaquin - Vom: anyways
[3/19/16 8:13:28 PM] Joaquin - Vom: You are Retired Ninja Saizou, the most laid back inhabitant of Inari Village, and a member of the Villagers. You once worked as a mercenary for hire, doing odd and dangerous jobs that no one else dared touched. You made enough money to retire early at a young age and decided to spend you remaining years in a life of luxury relaxing in Inari.
Win Condition: Kill all Kitsune and/or any other hostile parties.
Active Role: High Contacts - Your past as a mercenary has allowed you to meet many important people, and you may call upon your contacts to obtain information. At any point during the Night phase, you may PM me a player name. You'll learn their role name.
Passive Role: Cautious - No one knows how to watch their back like an ex-mercenary. In the event of your death, a trap in your house will be triggered, exposing your attacker.
[3/19/16 8:13:32 PM] Joaquin - Vom: also bbl
[3/19/16 8:13:42 PM | Edited 8:13:43 PM] Sol Vracken: bbl?
[3/19/16 8:14:38 PM] Joaquin - Vom: nvm, I thought my mom was going to tell me to do something but apparently not
[3/19/16 8:14:45 PM] Joaquin - Vom: bbl= be back later
[3/19/16 8:14:48 PM | Edited 8:15:01 PM] Sol Vracken: oh
[3/19/16 8:15:00 PM | Edited 8:15:02 PM] Sol Vracken: I have never seen anyone use that before
[3/19/16 8:15:11 PM] Joaquin - Vom: really?
[3/19/16 8:15:19 PM | Edited 8:15:20 PM] Sol Vracken: I don't think so
[3/19/16 8:16:17 PM] Joaquin - Vom: hm, the more you know
[3/19/16 8:16:31 PM] Joaquin - Vom: also sorry if I'm not terribly talkative rn, I'm kind of in the middle of something
[3/19/16 8:16:38 PM | Edited 8:16:44 PM] Sol Vracken: Our current chat is a lot more dead than the old one
[3/19/16 8:16:40 PM | Edited 8:16:48 PM] Sol Vracken: no worries
[3/19/16 8:16:42 PM | Edited 8:16:49 PM] Sol Vracken: ^w^
[3/19/16 8:18:46 PM | Edited 8:28:51 PM] Sol Vracken: So who have you used your High Contacts ability on?
[3/19/16 8:54:56 PM] Joaquin - Vom: TDK
[3/19/16 8:55:28 PM] Joaquin - Vom: he's takumi
[3/19/16 8:55:34 PM] Joaquin - Vom: also sorry for late reply, wasn't here x_x
[3/19/16 8:55:44 PM] Joaquin - Vom: and I prob won't be able to answer for the rest of the night, so there's that
[3/19/16 8:55:52 PM | Edited 8:55:53 PM] Sol Vracken: No worries, I understand people wont be here all the time ^w^
[3/19/16 8:56:18 PM | Edited 8:56:19 PM] Sol Vracken: Anyway, have a good night
[3/20/16 5:41:19 PM | Edited 5:41:20 PM] Sol Vracken: Vom, are you the independent? Something doesn't add up with your claim and my result of seering you
[3/20/16 6:23:43 PM] Joaquin - Vom: lol no
[3/20/16 6:23:53 PM] Joaquin - Vom: you must be a crazy cop then
[3/21/16 1:59:55 AM | Edited 2:00:07 AM] Sol Vracken: Well, my results were that I couldn't track you
[3/21/16 2:00:05 AM | Edited 2:00:08 AM] Sol Vracken: and that Luispipe8 was a Kitsune
[3/21/16 2:00:30 AM | Edited 2:00:54 AM] Sol Vracken: You being untrackable made sense for if you were the independent
[3/21/16 2:00:52 AM | Edited 2:00:56 AM] Sol Vracken: Otherwise I am either crazy or insane
[3/21/16 2:01:14 AM | Edited 2:01:15 AM] Sol Vracken: or someone used something on you that made you untrackable
[3/21/16 5:19:10 AM | Edited 5:19:30 AM] Sol Vracken: I also don't want to out you in thread, but to be honest, I have nothing on anyone else, people aren't posting enough and you are the only person I have any real information on. I don't actually think you're scum, I just think your lynch gives the more information. My gut says telling everyone my results and my thoughts is best and letting them decide, but my brain says that is a bad idea, especially since I don't want to be mean to you :/
[3/21/16 5:25:05 AM | Edited 5:25:06 AM] Sol Vracken: Sorry, my inexperience leads me to be useless in this situation
[3/21/16 8:26:19 AM] Joaquin - Vom: don't worry about it, I'm not gonna get mad or anything lol. You don't trust me (normal in WW games) and you have a way of proving my claim, so your instinct is to verify said claim. I'd just appreciate it if you didn't tell everyone about my role unless it's necessary, for obvious reasons.
[3/21/16 8:27:10 AM] Joaquin - Vom: crazy and insane cop are the same thing :U
[3/21/16 3:15:57 PM | Edited 3:16:03 PM] Sol Vracken: Is there a term for getting random results then, cause that is what I might have
[3/21/16 3:17:22 PM | Edited 3:17:23 PM] Sol Vracken: Ok then, now that I have caught up on the thread, I am going to make a case
[3/21/16 4:21:33 PM | Edited 4:21:59 PM] Sol Vracken: Yo Vom, if you have the time to go through this post then awesome, if not all good. I want you to have a heads up and to try and poke holes in it if possible
[3/21/16 4:24:51 PM | Edited 4:36:53 PM] Sol Vracken: Please bear with me, this might be a little long, it is all speculation, there are likely holes (point them out please, a better argument only helps town), and it is a complete gamble, I just think town is very likely to lose if we do nothing.
There are a few things I want to talk about first. Firstly the number of Kitsune there are.
The game started with 10 players, leaving us with four options for the number of Kitsune.
1: Obviously not the case, as bbninjas has died, but the game still goes on
4: Obviously not the case as town would have lost at day 2
This leaves us with either 2 or 3, with 3 also substituting 1 Kitsune for an independent, although at this point that isn’t too relevant.
Reasons for each option
3: No Independent
This would mean there would be an actual team that would require voting, however Athena may have thought ahead to this point and specifically said this to throw people off the team numbers (and made an elimination challenge instead). It doesn’t make sense to have two people voting for each other meaning three team members is a likely option. It also discludes the probability of an independent since depending on the win condition of that person, it may just be an elimination sentence, or an easy way to avoid elimination. My issue with having three Kitsune is being unlucky and lynching two town is game over by day 3, which is too short in my opinion although Athena could have intended that to be the case.
2: No Independent
Due to the use of poison, I believe this to be the more likely option, if we had lynched town instead of bbninjas, I would have seered him, and have died in the next day’s night due to poison. I believe Athena wants this game to be short, but not two-three days/nights, although that is just personal belief, if Athena wants the Challenge to be more important than this challenge, I could see why, although I feel that is throwing safety dynamics into the wind with a lopsided game, which again, might be what Athena is after.
3: One Independent
I don’t really have an argument for it, I just want to point out it is an option, details below.
What does this mean for the game? It means that if there were three starting Kitsune, town loses tonight unless town lynches another Kitsune. If there are only two, then tomorrow is towns last opportunity. If there is an independent, town loses tomorrow without a successful lynch today.
Ok all of that may have been obvious, but here we continue, that was just the ground work and people need to decide how many Kitsune they think there are left, since it determines when town loses, and you should vote accordingly.
Who should be lynched?
As far as I am concerned, barring some extremely ballsy play from bbninjas, which he has already done this game so this isn’t too far stretched, skyleaf2000 is the most cleared person, although I can see a lynch opportunity if there were three starting Kitsune. I do want to point out though, if bbninjas planned for people to target him to get poisoned, then it doesn’t make sense for him to have died second day, although he may have been unable to control the lynch outcome which is a real possibility, which is why I think skyleaf2000 is town.
TDK has been softcleared to me in the case of only 1 Kitsune left with the reveal of his character name. However, if there are 2 kitsune or an independent then I believe it is him and Vom, based off of my results, although I am not sure which one is which.
That leaves myself and Mordacazir. In the name of self-preservation, I am not going to say lynch me, and the only reasons I can state would just end up looking like I am saying them to argue that I am not a Kitsune rather than actually not looking like a Kitsune. In this particular case, the Kitsune benefits from no one doing anything for as long as possible to pick people off without suspicion if there is only one left, or if there are two left, they don’t ned to act as they win tonight if there is no lynch, however now that I have said that, it kinda becomes an invalid defense as I was the one to point it out.
Mordacazir has been inactive (although with the rest of us that isn’t saying much) but that also means he is the only person I have zero information on barring a bad rolefish at the end here, which normally is scummy in my opinion, but in this case would make for bad play since the Kitsune just wants nothing to happen and to night kill more than they want to try to form a lynch, doubly so if there are two kitsune left meaning I think this action while scummy, does not shift my view on Mordacazir’s scumness although I have already made up my mind on him, and therefore I believe he is the best lynch target.
These are opinions, based on some fact, please come to your own conclusions, I just want to spell everything out and add my thought process since we need some discussion.
This is my role claim
You are Detective Hinata, a young lawman of Inari Village, and a member of the Villagers. Working under Constable Takumi and with your partner Oboro, you have been placed in charge of the kitsune hunt, and you dedicate all of your waking hours (and half of your sleeping ones) to figuring out the truth. You’re young, but incredibly enthusiastic about your job and you know more about kitsune than any humans in the town.
Win Condition: Kill all Kitsune and/or any other hostile parties.
Active Role: Kitsune Hunter - In your role as detective, you are constantly looking around the town and trying to spot possible kitsune threats. Each night, you can PM me the name of a player and I will tell you whether they belong to the Kitsune faction, the Villager faction, or another faction.
Passive Role: Sneaky - When you’re out on the prowl for kitsune, you’re very careful about being unnoticed and covering your tracks. No one will be able to watch or track you during the Night, but other actions will affect you normally.
Win Condition: Kill all Kitsune and/or any other hostile parties.
Active Role: Kitsune Hunter - In your role as detective, you are constantly looking around the town and trying to spot possible kitsune threats. Each night, you can PM me the name of a player and I will tell you whether they belong to the Kitsune faction, the Villager faction, or another faction.
Passive Role: Sneaky - When you’re out on the prowl for kitsune, you’re very careful about being unnoticed and covering your tracks. No one will be able to watch or track you during the Night, but other actions will affect you normally.
I have role claimed since I am supposed to be a seer much like Jabberwock (Oboro), however my seering revealed that Vom was untraceable, and that Luispipe8 was scum, which Luispipe8 was not, and Vom has role claimed to me (in a chat allowed by rule 8), but lacks anything that would make him untraceable. As I see it there are two options, I receive random results, or I receive opposite results (or paranoid). For the former, there is nothing I can do about that, and it fits in with Oboro being similar, for the latter it doesn’t explain why Vom was untraceable, and one of his abilities doesn’t fit with what we currently know about the game, although I am giving him the benefit of the doubt for this and he requested I not post information on him.
I believe the best lynch order is Vom, then depending on Vom's role flip depends on whether I think TDK is a Kitsune or Mordacazir.
[3/21/16 4:37:36 PM | Edited 4:37:37 PM] Sol Vracken: Again, I don't actually think you are the scum, I just think that you are the best lynch option since your reveal likely outs or confirms TDK
[3/21/16 4:38:22 PM | Edited 4:38:23 PM] Sol Vracken: So I do want to add in your ability to determine names, but otherwise I will just hint at it
[3/21/16 5:35:35 PM] Joaquin - Vom: In the event that multiple factions lose, each will votethis makes me think there's an indie (or an indie faction, though I think the game's too small)
[3/21/16 5:35:46 PM] Joaquin - Vom: Mordacazir has been inactive (although with the rest of us that isn’t saying much)he hasn't posted at all
[3/21/16 5:35:51 PM] Joaquin - Vom: anything important, anyway
[3/21/16 5:36:23 PM] Joaquin - Vom: in this case would make for bad playI agree, but we need to pressure him a bit so he gives his thoughts or something
[3/21/16 5:40:03 PM] Joaquin - Vom: As I see it there are two optionseither of us could have been jailed, too
[3/21/16 5:41:24 PM] Joaquin - Vom: I don't actually think you are the scum, I just think that you are the best lynch option in case you are since your reveal likely outs or confirms TDK
So I do want to add in your ability to determine names, but otherwise I will just hint at itI understand completely, dw. I'd rather have morda share some thoughts before you post though
[3/21/16 5:41:33 PM] Joaquin - Vom: otherwise he'll prob just echo
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Sol Vracken: Yea, I agree. It was one reason why I didn't post it this morning, the other being that I had to work something out which I have forgotten over the course of the day
[3/22/16 12:42:35 AM | Edited 12:43:17 AM] Sol Vracken: You know, thinking about it, you might be right about mordacizir
[3/22/16 12:43:28 AM] Joaquin - Vom: who's mordacizir?
[3/22/16 12:44:34 AM | Edited 12:45:17 AM] Sol Vracken: Er, mordacazir
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Sol Vracken: It's just that I don't have any info on him that bugs me
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Joaquin - Vom: Well, that's normal, he hasn't really said anything
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Joaquin - Vom: which I pointed out
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Joaquin - Vom: but everyone ignored
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Joaquin - Vom: ;~;
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Sol Vracken: Poor Vom, have a cookie
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Sol Vracken: ^w^
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Joaquin - Vom: lol thanks ^.^
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Joaquin - Vom: anyways
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Joaquin - Vom: I have to go sleep
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Joaquin - Vom: night!
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Sol Vracken: good night Vom
[3/22/16 12:40:28 AM | Edited 12:40:30 AM] Sol Vracken: don't let the bed bugs bite
And so it ends. Also, he posted a part of the chat in our personal convo (as in, IMd me instead of the WW room) so it might look slightly weird. I don't wanna place a vote and risk a hammer, but if I could, it'd be on @mordacazir . You still haven't said anything relative to my previous post (or posts, I can't remember if you ignored only one of them or more).
Hm... I just read that.
>_<; Why is this so hard?! Oh, 'cause it's deciding someone's life...
>_<; Why is this so hard?! Oh, 'cause it's deciding someone's life...
Skyleaf, don't ever hammer me because you will die and Vom will win.
Stress level... Too much... Brain overloading... NEED ANIME THERAPY ASAP!
*flees*
I need more time to think...
Hmm... this looks familiar....
Current Tally!
Vom (1): mordacazir
Has Note Voted: @Skyleaf2000 @Vom
Night falls in approximately 28 hours or whenever all 3 players submit a final vote, whichever is sooner.
Current Tally!
Vom (1): mordacazir
Has Note Voted: @Skyleaf2000 @Vom
Night falls in approximately 28 hours or whenever all 3 players submit a final vote, whichever is sooner.
Hmm... this looks familiar.... again... >.>
Current Tally!
Vom (1): mordacazir
Has Note Voted: @Skyleaf2000 @Vom
Less than 2 hours until The Final Night! Get those votes in!
Current Tally!
Vom (1): mordacazir
Has Note Voted: @Skyleaf2000 @Vom
Less than 2 hours until The Final Night! Get those votes in!
Can you please make a choice @Skyleaf2000
End of Day 4
The last 3 townspeople of Inari were all deeply suspicious of each other, but unable to come to a conclusion. The end of the day progressed in silence.
No one was lynched!
As the sun began to set, the villagers went about their tasks, each hoping to contribute to the town's efforts on their own. However, the kitsune also gathered together to plot their own mischief...
FINAL NIGHT START! This is your last opportunity to act in the game. No posting is allowed in thread during the night phase. You may, however, continue to use any out-of-thread communication that you have access to within the rules of the game. If you have an active night ability, please PM me to use it. Final Night ends Tuesday, March 29th at 2:05pm CEST (or approximately the same time as this post in your own time zone) or when all relevant Night actions have been submitted.
Due to this being the final night and the small number of actions that will have an effect on game's end, Night may end early as soon as all relevant night actions have been submitted.
The last 3 townspeople of Inari were all deeply suspicious of each other, but unable to come to a conclusion. The end of the day progressed in silence.
No one was lynched!
As the sun began to set, the villagers went about their tasks, each hoping to contribute to the town's efforts on their own. However, the kitsune also gathered together to plot their own mischief...
FINAL NIGHT START! This is your last opportunity to act in the game. No posting is allowed in thread during the night phase. You may, however, continue to use any out-of-thread communication that you have access to within the rules of the game. If you have an active night ability, please PM me to use it. Final Night ends Tuesday, March 29th at 2:05pm CEST (or approximately the same time as this post in your own time zone) or when all relevant Night actions have been submitted.
Due to this being the final night and the small number of actions that will have an effect on game's end, Night may end early as soon as all relevant night actions have been submitted.
End of Night 4
As the sun went down, the villagers went about their secret business. Some were innocent humans only trying to do their best to help get rid of the troublesome kitsune. Other troublemakers had more deadly business on their minds. Regardless of intent, everyone went about their business promptly and hurried home before they could get caught and killed (and perhaps eaten!) by the dangerous kitsune.
Saizou lurked in the corners, stalking his prey. He did not consider Yukimura to be any kind of threat; instead, his sights were set on the farmer Asama. He was pretty sure that Asama knew his secret, and therefore he would be the next to go. The scientist could be taken out later at his leisure, and Inari would be clean at last.
He loitered in the alley next to the bakery, waiting for Asama to show up on his usual route. Soon enough, the sounds of the farmer's cart could be heard in the distance. The thought of tasting the man's blood gave Saizou the bloodrush he needed to transform into his true kitsune form and he leaped out just as the cart passed by, eager to sink his teeth into flesh.
However, the wily old farmer wasn't about to go down that easily. He had been prepared for the kitsune's attack, hoping, in fact, that he would be its next target. As the ninja-kitsune bit down, the farmer grabbed his scythe from the seat next to him, bring the blade down on his attacker. Human and kitsune dueled in the cart, each taking the other's life.
At sunrise the next morning, Yukimura found the corpses of both Saizou and Asama still locked around each other in a mortal embrace.
Mordacazir was killed! He was...
Vom was killed! He was...
With all of the Kitsune dead and one Villager remaining, victory is clear...
GAME OVER! Town wins!
Host/Game Information:
Role List
Spreadsheet of Actions
Kitsune QT
Scroll of Summon Magical Assistant: Elimination Use
The Next Challenge?
The next challenge will begin after Elimination has been completed, so it will go live sometime on Tuesday. It will be the last challenge that will involve you all working in your current teams. After C9, everyone will either be working individually (or sometimes in temporary teams). It will be another creative challenge, and will have another unusual judge (someone that you would never expect!). I hope you all will look forward to it!
As the sun went down, the villagers went about their secret business. Some were innocent humans only trying to do their best to help get rid of the troublesome kitsune. Other troublemakers had more deadly business on their minds. Regardless of intent, everyone went about their business promptly and hurried home before they could get caught and killed (and perhaps eaten!) by the dangerous kitsune.
Saizou lurked in the corners, stalking his prey. He did not consider Yukimura to be any kind of threat; instead, his sights were set on the farmer Asama. He was pretty sure that Asama knew his secret, and therefore he would be the next to go. The scientist could be taken out later at his leisure, and Inari would be clean at last.
He loitered in the alley next to the bakery, waiting for Asama to show up on his usual route. Soon enough, the sounds of the farmer's cart could be heard in the distance. The thought of tasting the man's blood gave Saizou the bloodrush he needed to transform into his true kitsune form and he leaped out just as the cart passed by, eager to sink his teeth into flesh.
However, the wily old farmer wasn't about to go down that easily. He had been prepared for the kitsune's attack, hoping, in fact, that he would be its next target. As the ninja-kitsune bit down, the farmer grabbed his scythe from the seat next to him, bring the blade down on his attacker. Human and kitsune dueled in the cart, each taking the other's life.
At sunrise the next morning, Yukimura found the corpses of both Saizou and Asama still locked around each other in a mortal embrace.
Mordacazir was killed! He was...
Vom was killed! He was...
With all of the Kitsune dead and one Villager remaining, victory is clear...
GAME OVER! Town wins!
Host/Game Information:
Role List
Spreadsheet of Actions
Kitsune QT
Elimination
- Reminder that this elimination does NOT have to do with your regular Challenge Teams but instead is based on your faction for this game.
- Each member of the losing faction (in this case, the members of the Kitsune scum faction) must vote for a member of their faction to be eliminated from the game. Provide your vote in an individual PM with me in the format "vote: [username]". You are of course welcome to discuss elimination with your other faction members if you wish, so long as all votes are sent to me privately.
- All elimination votes are due by Tuesday, March 29th at 5:45pm CEST. That is the same as 4:45pm BST, 11:45am Eastern US time, 8:45am Pacific US time, or approximately the same time as this post in your own time zone.
- Every team member for the losing faction must submit an elimination vote by the deadline. If you do not, your vote will count as a vote to eliminate yourself.
- All current Challenge 7 participants (whether they are on eliminating teams or not) may choose to use 1 SoSMA to act as a negative elimination vote for a non-self/team player of your choice. Detailed information about can be found below in the spoiler. Any Scrolls used in this matter must be submitted to be via PM by the same 48 hour deadline as the elimination votes.
- Once all votes and Scroll uses have been tallied, the player from each eliminated team with the most votes will be permanently removed from the game.
- In the event of a tie, the winning team of the previous challenge gets to choose who of the tied candidates is eliminated.
Scroll of Summon Magical Assistant: Elimination Use
Each of you started with a number of Scrolls of Magical Assistant, a magic item that can be used to give you various advantages throughout the game. Each time a new use of the item is revealed, it will be posted about in the Update (like this section here and now), and also added to the OP for easy reference. Please Note: Each Scroll is single use only! Once you use a Scroll for any purpose it is used up and your total number of scrolls goes down by one. If you ever want to know how many scrolls you currently have available at any given point, feel free to ask.
SoSMA 1: Negative Elimination Vote: Every time there is an Elimination, all current players may choose to use one scroll to act as a "negative" elimination vote on a player of their choice. This will subtract a vote from that player's total number of votes. If a player reaches 0 votes in this manner, they cannot be eliminated. In negative votes override all of the votes for a given team, that team becomes safe and none of their players will be eliminated.
However, there are of course some restrictions:
As an example, let's suppose that Team1 is voting for elimination. 2 members of the team vote for Player1 to be eliminated and 2 other members vote for Player2 to be eliminated.
Instance 1 - Player5 uses a Scroll on Player1. The score would then be 2 to 1 and Player2 would be the one eliminated.
Instance 2 - Player5 and Player6 each use a Scroll on Player1. Player7 and Player8 each use a Scroll on Player2. The score would then be 0 to 0, all votes nullified, and Team1 becomes safe from elimination.
If you have any questions about this particular use of SoSMA, please ask!
SoSMA 1: Negative Elimination Vote: Every time there is an Elimination, all current players may choose to use one scroll to act as a "negative" elimination vote on a player of their choice. This will subtract a vote from that player's total number of votes. If a player reaches 0 votes in this manner, they cannot be eliminated. In negative votes override all of the votes for a given team, that team becomes safe and none of their players will be eliminated.
However, there are of course some restrictions:
- You may never use a Scroll to give a negative vote on yourself, or even another member of your team. You may only use scrolls to save members of other teams. Feel free to communicate and work out deals with other teams, if you wish.
- You may never use 2 Scrolls in a row to give a negative vote to the same person. If you choose to use a Scroll as a vote for the current elimination, the next time you use a Scroll must be either for a non-elimination purpose, or used as a negative vote for a different member.
As an example, let's suppose that Team1 is voting for elimination. 2 members of the team vote for Player1 to be eliminated and 2 other members vote for Player2 to be eliminated.
Instance 1 - Player5 uses a Scroll on Player1. The score would then be 2 to 1 and Player2 would be the one eliminated.
Instance 2 - Player5 and Player6 each use a Scroll on Player1. Player7 and Player8 each use a Scroll on Player2. The score would then be 0 to 0, all votes nullified, and Team1 becomes safe from elimination.
If you have any questions about this particular use of SoSMA, please ask!
The Next Challenge?
The next challenge will begin after Elimination has been completed, so it will go live sometime on Tuesday. It will be the last challenge that will involve you all working in your current teams. After C9, everyone will either be working individually (or sometimes in temporary teams). It will be another creative challenge, and will have another unusual judge (someone that you would never expect!). I hope you all will look forward to it!
@bbninjas @thegrovylekid @Vom
Please submit your elimination votes!
@Celever @Jabberwock @Skyleaf2000 @Luispipe8 @Vracken @Brave Vesperia @mordacazir
Not voting necessary, just alerting that C8 is over and you should start your preparations for C9.
Please submit your elimination votes!
@Celever @Jabberwock @Skyleaf2000 @Luispipe8 @Vracken @Brave Vesperia @mordacazir
Not voting necessary, just alerting that C8 is over and you should start your preparations for C9.
I can't believe I forgot to vote. >.<;
At least we won! Right, townies?
At least we won! Right, townies?
You wouldn't have if I hadn't forgotten morda was a bomb :<
Sorry guys ;~;
Also, love how nobody notices I messed up some of them fake skype logs.
WW XXX scumteam just can't win :<
We would've won, if I'd remembered morda was a bomb ;~;
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