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I know these translations have been out for a while, but DCE brings a great deck back.
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Arguably the best deck of all time, GG or PLOX looks like it's going to come back- in full force. As many of you remember, Double Rainbow energy made the deck run. Now DCE is almost the same thing- but without a -10 drawback. Sure, this means no Call+DCE, but this a major asset to the deck. T2 Gallade can come back- and the format may be changed until the lines are rotated.

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And for the first time since Base Set, you can build Haymaker again. Not that significant, but a good fun deck for someone learning the game.

So this is just something to think about- will Double Colorless bring back GG?
 
GG was Gallade based; before powers were huge like they are today. So you wouldn't have to focus on a power locking varient to be big.
 
Oh, yeah, I havn't played long enough to know that except GG was Gallade, and PLOX was Gardevoir. Yeah, I think this could come back, luckily I have the cards except the DCE of course.
 
T2B [Turn 2 Bannette] was a HUGE counter, with Cessation Crystal to lock powers, windstorm to kill tools/stadiums, Castaway to search a supporter, tool, and energy [basically the old school Cyrus' Conspiracy] however, Cess, Castaway, and Windstorm are all out, as well as the shuppet that made the deck run. [Shuppet, Crystal Guardians, used Ascension to search out a bannette on T1]

the other one was that Scizor/Toxicroak variant, and we might look back into that deck again with DCE.
 
a lot of decks are going to become very very good again with this card back into the format not just gg. gengar destroys gallade and i expect that to be played quite heavily where i come from if not that then flygon who will also <3 this energy. what i love about this coming back is i can stop wasting my time with upper energy and attach this to all my lvs without the drawback or wait till i am losing. only good cards going to counter it are a pory lvx and by the time he comes out it may be too late :(
 
The problem with this is that getting the DCE out is not to easy. Other than that my sig will turn into double if I can run gardalade like that again lol.

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Heh heh, G and G still doesn't scare me, even with this new weapon in their arsenal. Fact is, G and G will still be incredibly easy to counter. Toxitank V 2.0 will see the light of day when this comes out. G and G will be a good deck, mind you, as will Gatr, Donophan donk, and a whole bunch of other stuff. Is it a good deck with Double Colorless? Yes, it is. Is it the best? No, not by a long shot.
 
Toxitank is just a tech line, not really a deck. GG was arguably the best deck of all time, and I don't see how a failed states idea will beat it easily.

@Tristan- Guess what, you could say the same for DRE. But you know what happened back then? You drew into it.

@Devastator- Pory Lv.X never countered GG. Why?

Mode Crash is a power which Gardevoir can lock.
It has x2 Fighting Weakness which Gallade loves.
I can use Upper too, if you discard my DCE.

@TPO3- Even if it was legal still, we face the one problem Banette had:

It dosen't beat anything else.

And all of you saying it will help Flygon- I don't think Flygon would like GG much.

It appears some of you do not realize how great the deck was- you need a specific counter which dosen't beat anything else. In this upcoming HG/SS set, GG and Gatr will be huge. So if you counter either, the other one is a threat. No I did not like this deck, just saying it was so powerful it will probably return.
 
I agree with the Pory comment but Flygon will cause some problem for GG. He has a lot of techs to make him unpredictable, You now have to be a lot more careful with your stadiums and his lv.x body which you cant stop will hurt. Not to mention he can 1 shot the Gardy lv.x no matter where it is. Lets face it Gallade is only good early on cause once you have flipped all the prizes he is not doing that much, and a well placed Unown g stops both of them late game. I think there will be a lot more creative ideas that will cause GG to not be as dominant as it was, psychic weakness will probably be its biggest downfall in the end.
 
Brawler said:
Toxitank is just a tech line, not really a deck. GG was arguably the best deck of all time, and I don't see how a failed states idea will beat it easily.
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Careful there, buddy. You're calling the deck that got me fourth at Georgia States and second at Florida states a "failed deck idea", and personally, it makes me a tiny little bit mad. I don't play it now, but I was rather fond of it when I did play it.

Toxitank is NOW used as a tech line, but in the past it was a viable deck strategy. And when G and G comes around, Toxitank will one-hit KO your entire field. As for those other decks you mentioned, really, they're quite easy to counter. Toxitank is perfectly capable of becoming ToxiTECH, which is a teched it version. A line of Luxray, for example, would work great against Gatr.

My idea has its flaws, of course, but to call my deck a failure and yours the best deck of all time is just slightly arrogant of you. G and G was a good deck in the past, but it has little way of competing now, even with Double Colorless. We have Upper in this format. Sure, it's not nearly as good, but you can get up and running after they take a single prize, so you'll only have to make a minor comeback. One prize is easy to overcome, just look at stuff like Gyarados.

Edit: about my Luxray point, I just realized Gatr has a Grass weakness. :p
So disregard that point.
 
It's not my idea or Toxitank your idea. I played Toxitank too, but Gardevoir can lock Skuntank's power. Also Psychic Lock is a KO, and that doesn't help. I see what you mean though.
 
Brawler said:
It's not my idea or Toxitank your idea. I played Toxitank too, but Gardevoir can lock Skuntank's power. Also Psychic Lock is a KO, and that doesn't help. I see what you mean though.
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That is true. You can lock my Power. That will force to find other methods of poisoning you. Therefore, the matchup could swing into your favor. The thing is, though, Toxitank can KO you for a single Energy with the correct set up, while it takes two for you to do the same (assuming of course you have drawn into Double Colorless). So, I can see where you are coming from. It is definitely not an easy win, but it has the power to threaten it a little bit.
 
Yes I would be a little bit scared, and I do understand the single energy KO.

Oh yeah, this is for the people who said Scizor/Croak could be good again: Gatr is a really hard matchup if you choose to play that deck.
 
Brawler said:
Oh yeah, this is for the people who said Scizor/Croak could be good again: Gatr is a really hard matchup if you choose to play that deck.
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I'd actually like to address this, despite not originally making any statements about the subject. :p

Scizor/Croak (known to the fans of the deck as "Blubbering Intimidation") won't come back, like Brawler said, because it sucks against anything else.

However, I would like to point out that a 1-1 Scizor tech would be great against G and G, mainly because it just disrupts so much. It gives you even more time to set up while they're still busy attaching. It works great against Flygon, too. I think we'll definitely see some Scizor being played.
 
Toxitank V 2.0 I am a little worred about that I know you are obssesed with toxitank so you will make the deck work. And with G and G people think to use the old gardy but no sir you use the new ones for moving the energy around quite fast the old gardy is only when you need him for late game. What I did was make my oppanent damage a gardy I have moonlight I retreat and then send out someone else and use the energy moving to power up the new dude who was fresh haaa. Anyway the format is going to be big and you can use way to many decks there will be like 20 good decks out when HG SS comes out.

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