Keep the High Tide on the Flipside
I wouldn't mind having that Sycamore spank me at night.
Er, I mean... nice artworks.
Er, I mean... nice artworks.
Even when zoomed in, the picture is too poor quality to tell... Maybe set symbols similar to the ones from Trainer Decks?
Hello has anybody realized that the possibly most disgusting deck of all time is coming out of sun and moon!!
they can't do anything
It has a lot of problems vs things that don't necessarily rely on Items to get going, like Volcanion and A-Ninetales. The deck is good, but it requires a set up, which will always be what holds it back from being whoamygodbroken tier. Not to say that it won't be a threat, but it's not the end all of Pokemon, which is why people probably aren't talking about it to the extent that you might be anticipating.
I feel like pushing another Stage 2 Line in a deck that already relies on a combo isn't the smartest idea. If anything, I'd rather see something like Trevenant from the new set. At least it has really good Synergy with Vileplume, only requires a DCE to attack and has a great attack to boot. Plus, because of the DCE requirement, you can effectively tech it in, which makes it all the better. That said... perhaps Sableye isn't needed in that case, so I suppose that somewhat ruins the point...That particular combination might not be, but I think Sableye + Tsareena + Plume might be. I don't think this scenario is unrealistic at all: T1 red card, hit plume, hit 2 Tsareena (either full Tsareena lines or via devolution spray) leaving your opponent with a top deck shot at a draw supporter T1. I think the primary issue I see with this deck is "what now?" In order to hit that combination, you really need a decent draw supporter line up front and then the ability to mill later. I just don't think there are enough mill supporters + item mill like Trick Shovel in standard to make the deck actually work so to speak. Great. You got me completely locked down. Now what? I know some people have suggested Decidueye, but I don't think it is practical in this deck. I know people have talked about using it in Deciplume, but I honestly think the current Deciplume lists are stronger.
Tapu Lele GXAll that is a long way of saying that while I think Sableye is probably the 3rd strongest card in the set as far as *potential* impact on the game, I don't think there is a deck in standard that can effectively use the card effectively. To be perfectly frank, I am not even sure there is a deck in expanded that can use the card effectively. I am sure some genius deck designer will come up with something. They always do I just don't know what it will be.
I feel like pushing another Stage 2 Line in a deck that already relies on a combo isn't the smartest idea. If anything, I'd rather see something like Trevenant from the new set. At least it has really good Synergy with Vileplume, only requires a DCE to attack and has a great attack to boot. Plus, because of the DCE requirement, you can effectively tech it in, which makes it all the better. That said... perhaps Sableye isn't needed in that case, so I suppose that somewhat ruins the point...
Tapu Lele GX
These five are easily the strongest things from the pack for numerous reasons. Tapu Lele GX is incredibly obvious in its power level. Field Blower and Choice Band are incredibly close when it comes down to it, but I feel like being able to remove Tools and Stadiums is slightly more impactful than 30 extra damage. That said, Choice Band is no joke. Garbodor has already proven to be one of the best Pokemon, if not the best Pokemon not named Tapu Lele GX in Japan from this set, being able to his astronomically high numbers with Trashalanche, which only requires one Energy. Also, because it can scale so well, it'll eventually force deck builders to respect its presence, which means we will be building our decks differently (More Pokemon/Supporters, less Items), which is incredibly impactful. Aqua Patch is fairly obvious as well as to what it does, accelerating Pokemon like A-Ninetales GX and Lapras GX, who are both good (apparently A-Ninetales GX is good in Japan as well... who knew...).
There's also cards like Oricorio (quite a few of them are incredibly good), Trevenant (as I mentioned earlier), and I feel things like Honchkrow and Drampa-GX and Turtonator-GX are simply better cards when it comes to this format. Am I saying Sableye is bad or doesn't deserve respect and/or recognition? Of course not. Stopping Supporters is a big deal and I feel the card is tech-worthy. That said, I feel like this set simply provides better cards a whole, which is also a good thing because we've needed an impacting set for a while. This is a nice change and I feel like we're going to see a lot of innovation coming from it.
Regardless, there will also be a lot of time to figure out different aspects of what's good and what's not once the Meta kicks off. I personally feel that Lugia is being overlooked right now and I think something will utilize the Energy Acceleration it provides in something. In what, I have no idea yet, but maybe I'll make it work, myself. Regardless, that's my two cents on the whole thing.
Wow yeah... some recent cards will only be around for like two years! :/I get the opposite intent from this; these cards are releasing as XY: Black Star Promos specifically so that they can rotate along with the rest of the XY-releases, instead of sticking around longer by being Sun & Moon products.
I suppose that's true, though I would simply argue that playing Decidueye GX or even Trevenant is a better idea.We already have an example of a deck with 2 stage 2 pokemon in it that can get 1-3 of them set up T1 with relative ease in the form of Deciplume. There is literally no difference in how easily Tsareena can get set up from a big fat pokemon line standpoint. There is a massive difference in what the two decks are trying to do though and that's why I don't think the deck will work initially. Whether it ever works is a matter of what Pokemon decides to release in the future.
We are going to have to agree to disagree with respect to the "impact" statement. Right now, you are right. Sableye doesn't belong at the top of this set's list. Long term, I think it will outclass all but Lele and Field Blower.
Also keep in mind that Silver Bangle couldn't be used with EX Pokemon at the time. Not only does Choice Band hit more targets, you can attach them to EX/GX Pokemon, making it strictly better.I could be convinced to put it behind Choice Band as well...I have seen enough decks running Silver Bangle and the impact that card can have to know how much that 30 extra damage can hurt.
Vileplume AORBut all it takes is one mistake card by pokemon and Sableye becomes absolutely crippling. There is nothing else in the format that has the potential to stop opponents in their tracks as early as T1 if going second.
Here's the problems with Sableye from Guardians Rising. First and foremost, it requires you to play a Darkness Energy instead of DCE or something more splashable, meaning the number of decks that can truly play it start to become limited. Second, it has 60 HP, which is a small number and, quite frankly, not good when it comes to starters. 70 HP would make a much different case when it comes to being able to escape OHKOs. As it is now, Tauros GX can nautrally OHKO it, Decidueye can snipe them with 3 Set-Ups, Yveltal EX can OHKO it with 2 normal Energy attachments even if you have nothing on it, Lele can OHKO it if you attach an Energy... the list goes on and on. Finally, it doesn't have a free Retreat, which isn't a requirement, but is kind of a bummer.Don't get me wrong, I am not a person who is some kind of alarmist ZOMG THAT CARD R BROKEN type of person. I don't think it is broken. Unlike the other cards though, I think it has the chance of becoming absolutely meta defining in the next couple of years in the same way Garbodor was meta defining for months when there was trainer based tool removal this season. To be honest, I wouldn't be one bit surprised to see Yveltal decks make great use of it right away as a mid to late game card to help stall out an opponent from using Lysandre or N.
I still have a feeling that Acerola will turn Tapu Koko GX in to a deck. Granted, we'll see when the time comes, but being able to essentially loop Koko over and over is nasty. Plus, they're force to OHKO the thing and that's a tall order, especially with things like Fighting Fury Belt still being a card.I completely agree with you on this set being great. I am pretty excited about it and think it at least *feels* like we might get some truly interesting decks out of this list similar to how we have gotten a couple of interesting decks out of SUM. The one you mentioned earlier about streaming Koko has been giving me all sorts of happy thoughts as lightning happens to be my favorite type LOL!
Not a problem! I don't mean to sound condescending, so never take it that way. ^^Anyway, as always I really enjoyed your insight into the cards and their impact on Japan's meta. I think it is great that you take the time to share and several of the things you mentioned have me planning decks LOL!!!!!
No VS seeker wont survive rotation based on this box. Have you purchased any of these decks before? They're still from their original sets and not promos so theyre gonna rotate out as well. If the new sycamore and trainers mail are promos then they probably will stick around though.Hold on it says Vs Seeker will be in this box, so it should survive the rotation. Anyway I say good ridden to Shaymin, turn 1 Deci/Plume and M Ray attack for 240 should be far less consistent than they are currently. Give way to Tapu Lele and more consistent, simpler decks, imho.