Help I think I have a Venusaur Error Card...
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OrenBoder said:Also, just to make myself clear...
The tape is not conventional 'clear-shiny' tape. It is the type of tape used to put around the place when painting, the slightly off-white tape. So, if I were to stick it on, you would see a shine, or if I stuck the masking tape on, the picture below wouldn't show through.
The kind of tape doesn't matter. The fact is that their is tape on the card, which means said tape exists in the world. Which means you *theoretically* could have put it on the card. (not saying you did) And if there's any chance the card could have been faked, its worthless.
Is the tape ON TOP OF the normal card or is the card printed on top of the tape? If its printed on top of the tape, then you might actually have something someone would want. I haven't heard you confirm this either way on this.
The only other way I can think of to confirm it as a legitimate printing error is to look at how the tape is on the edge of the card. If it looks like it was cut with the same die as the card, it might be enough to prove the printing error as authentic.
Light Venusaur said:^You tell me if they didn't put tape on it:
You can tell the tape was there beforehand. If you pay close attention to this card you can clearly see that this card is holo... yet the area covered by the tape is matte. The upper left corner of the box containing the character art shows no signs of the foil underneath, which wouldn't be the case if the tape was placed afterwards!
And for those saying the type of tape doesen't matter, it does! If you can, take a piece of clear scotch tape and place it over a holo (one you don't care about/one in a sleeve). You will immediately notice that the foil still shines trough the clear tape. Yet the foil on this card isn't visible trough the tape!
The only possible explanation is that the tape was there beforehand... and that it's some sort of white masking tape. If it was clear tape the foil would probably still show trough (transparent ink over clear tape= visible foil), but this tape completly blocks it. It has to be a non transparent matte tape for this to occur. That where the last supporting argument comes in...
If you take white masking tape and place it over a holo, what do you see? Nothing!! The foil should be completly covered. Not even the art beneath the tape should be visible. But why then is the art visible troughout this car? If the non-transparent tape was placed afterwards, you would clearly see the tape blocking your card... and how would you reproduce the image over the tape so accurately?
omahanime said:
You would probably have some sort of indication from the foil pattern, but you see nothing here. Plus look where the tape ends (towards the right)... Around the hp area and/or next to venusars front leg. The corners look white. Especially the corner over the leg, why would it look white if it falls in the shadow? If placed afterwards the shadow would be there.
It has to be non transparent tape.
^I 2nd that last line.
Plz some close-ups would be nice (so that I can judge for myself).
Plz some close-ups would be nice (so that I can judge for myself).
Ok then I'm now going to try and show why this has been printed ON the tape, as in the tape was already on the cardstock BEFORE it went through printing.
Look at this then read my annotations:
1. For both of these examples, notice that the tape in the larger box doesn't interupt the picture, even though it is creased. If this was clear, matte tape placed afterwards, the crease would interupt our view of the print lines, disjointing smooth lines. This shows that creased tape was already placed onto the cardstock BEFORE printing. In the smaller box, the second example, notice that the gradient on venasaur's skin is smooth and uninterrupeted, so the tape was already there before printing.
2. The wear on the edge of the tape shows white underneath the print layer. Clear tape wouldn't wear like this, only paper based tape, and since there is no transparent paper tape, it is certainly not clear tape placed afterwards.
3. The edge of the tape is perfectly sut to the edge of the card. This would be hard to achieve even with scissors to get such a flush edge, so the tape was already there when the card was cut, which is after printing, so the tape MUST have been through printing.
4. This is more recent wear. See how the crinkles in the tape where someone has pulled at it/rubbed at it has interrupted the print lines of the numbers? That's because this print is on the tape and is being moved around, distorting the image.
Well thanks for looking, hope that clears it up.
Tl;dr?
It's white masking tape which was on the card before printing and cutting, meaning there will be more such cards if this was taken from anywhere BUT the left edge of a print sheet.
Look at this then read my annotations:
1. For both of these examples, notice that the tape in the larger box doesn't interupt the picture, even though it is creased. If this was clear, matte tape placed afterwards, the crease would interupt our view of the print lines, disjointing smooth lines. This shows that creased tape was already placed onto the cardstock BEFORE printing. In the smaller box, the second example, notice that the gradient on venasaur's skin is smooth and uninterrupeted, so the tape was already there before printing.
2. The wear on the edge of the tape shows white underneath the print layer. Clear tape wouldn't wear like this, only paper based tape, and since there is no transparent paper tape, it is certainly not clear tape placed afterwards.
3. The edge of the tape is perfectly sut to the edge of the card. This would be hard to achieve even with scissors to get such a flush edge, so the tape was already there when the card was cut, which is after printing, so the tape MUST have been through printing.
4. This is more recent wear. See how the crinkles in the tape where someone has pulled at it/rubbed at it has interrupted the print lines of the numbers? That's because this print is on the tape and is being moved around, distorting the image.
Well thanks for looking, hope that clears it up.
Tl;dr?
It's white masking tape which was on the card before printing and cutting, meaning there will be more such cards if this was taken from anywhere BUT the left edge of a print sheet.
OrenBoder said:
Sure no problem, glad to have helped you sort this out.
I have no idea. If he means getting it professionally graded, there's no point. They grade the quality of the card not errors.
PikachuMatrix said:
No, when they grade it, they also list qualifiers to the card.
http://cgi.ebay.com/PSA-10-NO-HOLO-ERROR-5-DARK-DRAGONITE-POKEMON-SALE-/400144237365?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d2a748335
in this ebay auction you see the description on the case says "No Holo"
OrenBoder said:
...I believe grading pretty much confirms authenticity. Plus it usually doubles the cards value (when compared to an ungraded card). Though the card should be near mint/mint (besides the obvious tape) to really make this worth it. Don't know much besides that.
I've never gotten a card graded, but heard that you can get it done at a certified locations. If there's none nearby, you can also send it in (directly to them).
For more info, check these:
-www.beckett.com/grading/
-http://www.psacard.com/
Normally, I am not a fan of having cards slabbed. But on this card, I think different. 1.) It would help greatly, to have a professional state it is printing on tape. 2.) The card is already 13 years old. Adhesive breaks down over time. I think the value of the card is with the tape attached.