Discussion Confirmed Fake Rumor Catalog - Sun & Moon Edition [Games Out!]

[Tfar22]

If these leaks turn out to have some truth, lets just hope Panquake isn't an actual pancake (Like, ya know, that one ice cream Pokemon we all love).

Tirtouga is pretty much turtle in Spanish, so I don't see why people are doubting Delfin. Point is that names can be whatever the freakish minds of Game Freak want them to be. But yeah, some of these names are very punny.

I am really hoping for the multiple types for the starters and others like Rockruff. That concept is just....wow! Giving different types to each starter will make them all have some equality and may keep them away from universal bias. I don't see anything wrong with Beltigre overall except for the Fire/Fighting vibe it gives off. But that doesn't matter because it won't be Fire/Fightinh=g according to this leak. Its design is BA. Still, Robinroot is giving off some Green Arrow vibes, so might not be able to resist choosing it.

The only inconsistency with the previous leaks that I can see is that Rockruff has been said to have 2 evos instead of 1.

I believe this has a %70 chance to be true. What do you think?

 

[Zielo]

Im really 50/50 on this "leaked" name list. I like them, I dont like some, I think it CAN be real, but we have no real way of knowing.
I think I would rather like for them to be real, because this would mean we get another chance at better starter evos if they have a split line. I do not like the current starter leaks, mostly because I dont like the idea of an anthro panther or a girly mermaid (sorry, Im a tomboy through and through), so having a choice in the matter would be awesome.
I also really like the proton/neutron/electron Pokemon line idea, very interesting. Id also be looking forward to the Rockruff split evo line, and that gargoyle line seems interesting. Im also excited for Cumbersum, I think the name is cute, and the anemone Pokemon. (I work as an aquatic specialist)
I couldnt care less about the snowman line, unless they made it hella cute.

I have only one response for this argument:

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Tana out, yo.

*quietly sneaks back to Fire Emblem: Fates*

Yes. Pokemon has ALWAYS been inconsistent with the names, leading all the way from an awesome name such as Deoxys and Typhlosion or a silly, cutsey, pun name such as Farfetch'd or Wynaut. There are also ones that appear to be uncreative, such as Seel, Mew, or Geodude. As a matter of fact, almost all of the silly/uncreative names originate from the FIRST generation.
Also... THEY LITERALLY JUST RELEASED "BEWEAR" AS A POKEMON.

I relish the fact that they remain inconsistent, as it adds variety. If they didnt do stuff like this, we could end up with very repetitive names such as Flamemon, or Bubblemon, or Treemon.... oh, wait....

Glad I picked the right franchise.

I find it unlikely that Drampa is a portmanteau of dragon + grampa, considering grampa is an uncommon way to refer to your grandparents (it'd be grandpa for the common spelling, so Drandpa ).

Really? I thought it was a little obvious. o.o His description literally says hes gentle and good with children, and look at that white hair, bushy brows, and mustache. Hes literally a grandpa-dragon.

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Hmm... interesting. Certainly sounds plausible to me, though I have a few reasons to doubt.

-The starters have four possible type combinations? There are rumors of them having two forms, each with a different type combo... but wouldn't that imply a maximum of two type combos?
-Pikipek's final form is Grass/Flying? Why would they do that when Rowlet's a Grass/Flying?
-Wimpod and Salandit are evolved Pokemon? Have they ever revealed a middle form first? I recall first forms and final forms, but never the mid form.
-Minior has an evolution? Erm... how often do Pokemon with transformation gimmicks possess a further evolution? As I recall, they're either the final form or the only form.

We'll learn the truth soon enough though, no reason to get all freaked out...

On a side note, are people really saying the names a reason to call this rumor fake? This gen already gave use Komala (Koma+Koala), Drampa (Dragon+Grampa), Bewear (Beware) and Mimikyu (Mimic You)... name's like Panquake (Pancake+Earthquake) and Snorror (Snow+Horror) are hardly any worse.

This would be one reason why I would disprove these leaks. There are a LOT of inconsistencies (not name-related) as far as pattern goes. It would be a very big leap for Pokemon, and taking a step out of the comfort-zone. The starters having different forms or split evos is definitely pretty sketchy, something they have NEVER done and very unpredictable. It breaks tradition and pattern entirely. However, Pokemon has been throwing us lots of curveballs lately with unpredictability. This is probably something that they want to do, considering it has been the same-ol'-same-ol' since, well, forever. They want to change things up a bit and keep it interesting, this would also explain the "no gyms leak" if that follows through.

Minior having an evolution is also unusual for the transformation gimmick as well, however, it isnt entirely unheard of. Flabébé line does something similar, and they still kept the color to the Pokemon it evolves to, so Id say its definitely plausible.
Wimpod having a preform is also odd, considering its already, well, a wimp. However, a shrimp to a wimp to a champ is a cute idea that I could see them doing. Pikipek line being Grass/Flying is also weird considering Rowlet, but again, not unheard of. It is also a WOODpecker. Id rather that than just another Normal/Flying.

Its also unusual for them to reveal middle forms first, and Id have seen Sandalit as a standalone Pokemon.

 

[Tfar22]

No fossil Pokemon.

 

[Turquoise]

I'm leaning more towards "not believing" side for the leak, but I will be happy if that electric/dark pseudo-legendary turns out to be real (assuming that Pokemon is pseudo-legend), instead of your usual dragon/something type. It's not like I don't like dragon type (though it's not my favourite either), but I personally thought that dragon is overused at this point.

 

[King Xerneas]

Reading through the 4chan thread it originated from, I'm starting to feel more confident that the leaked Dex is in fact fake. If you look at it overall it's very fanservice-y, almost to the point of pure fanservice. Almost all the new Pokemon have some exotic new type, or have been something the fans have been wanting (dolphin pokemon, molecule Pokemon, etc). Pesp and Peskool raise a red flag because, according to the thread, a psychic type school of fish Pokemon has been something many fakemon have been based off of. The dark/electric dinos at the end of the Dex were also found in a previous "leak" from gen 6.

No fossil Pokemon.

Hawaii doesn't have a rich fossil history due to the islands being created post-dinos, and while they are including Pokemon with fauna not native to Hawaii, they also did a good job with including a lot of Pokemon with a Hawaiin influence

I find it unlikely that Drampa is a portmanteau of dragon + grampa, considering grampa is an uncommon way to refer to your grandparents (it'd be grandpa for the common spelling, so Drandpa )

Except no one (at least in the States) pronounces the "d" in "grandpa", so it sounds like "grampa". Plus other terms used to refer grandfathers exclude the "d" such as "grampy", "gramps", etc.

If these leaks turn out to have some truth, lets just hope Panquake isn't an actual pancake

It's definitely not a pancake, but instead based off of the pancake tortoise considering it's pre-evo's name is literally soft+turtle.

 

[GlaceonFanatic]

I would like to see this list as real as I am really fond of some of the new type combos and concepts. However, we will eventually find out on August 12 or whenever corcoro leaks. If a Pokemon is shown and it's not on the list, then it's obviously fake.

 

[Zygarde]

-Minior has an evolution? Erm... how often do Pokemon with transformation gimmicks possess a further evolution? As I recall, they're either the final form or the only form.

Burmy actually exists. Not saying I believe this list though.

 

[professorlight]

I do not like the current starter leaks, mostly because I dont like the idea of an anthro panther or a girly mermaid (sorry, Im a tomboy through and through), so having a choice in the matter would be awesome.

I'm sorry, but I'm far from a tomboy, and I think it's high time I get a girly starter. I haven't "had a choice" when it comes to them in eighteen years.

You'll survive.

 

[Fire'd]

I've noticed a lot of people dismissing this by saying "GF would never do that", ( i.e. never name a pokemon Panquake, starter evos would never have split typings, never reveal a middle stage pokemon first, etc...) and I think that's kind of an unfair argument considering how many confirmed features in Sun and Moon are already brand new and haven't happened before.

Think about all the stuff Sun and Moon is doing differently from past generations:

• Revamp of the gym system in the form of Island Challenges
• Totem Pokemon and Guardian Deity Pokemon
• 4-way, free for all battles
• Z-moves
• New forms and types for past gen's Pokemon
• A Pokemon that's type/appearance is different based on it's location
• A Pokemon that is disquised to look like another, super popular Pokemon
• A plethora of brand new and unique Abilities
• Potentially getting rid of HM's with the Poke Ride system

I think this shows that GF is trying to do more new things with Sun and Moon, more so than any previous generation. So it's pretty hard to say what GF would or wouldn't do at this point.

 

[Celever]

I'm sorry, but I'm far from a tomboy, and I think it's high time I get a girly starter. I haven't "had a choice" when it comes to them in eighteen years.

You'll survive.

I'm saving the link to this post lol, this has needed saying for a long time!

I've noticed a lot of people dismissing this by saying "GF would never do that", ( i.e. never name a pokemon Panquake, starter evos would never have split typings, never reveal a middle stage pokemon first, etc...) and I think that's kind of an unfair argument considering how many confirmed features in Sun and Moon are already brand new and haven't happened before.

Think about all the stuff Sun and Moon is doing differently from past generations:

• Revamp of the gym system in the form of Island Challenges
• Totem Pokemon and Guardian Deity Pokemon
• 4-way, free for all battles
• Z-moves
• New forms and types for past gen's Pokemon
• A Pokemon that's type/appearance is different based on it's location
• A Pokemon that is disquised to look like another, super popular Pokemon
• A plethora of brand new and unique Abilities
• Potentially getting rid of HM's with the Poke Ride system

I think this shows that GF is trying to do more new things with Sun and Moon, more so than any previous generation. So it's pretty hard to say what GF would or wouldn't do at this point.

I think that people are discrediting the leak not because the new changes are different, but rather because they would be terrible on GameFreak's part. Split evolutions and other strange mechanics for the starters of the region would just be strange, because the games start you off more basic. That's why every region has a generic rodent and a generic bird. I think the only early-game Pokémon with any kind of gimmick to its name was Burmy, right? Or I guess Wurmple, but the player doesn't have control of that, so it doesn't count so much. The starters, which are supposed to be the player's introduction to Pokémon, aren't supposed to have the level of depth of a split evolution of forme changing mechanics -- that's why Greninja's Protean is a Hidden Ability.

Yes, the new mechanics GF are making in Sun/Moon are plentiful, but they're also all incredibly good and fun ideas, and even then there's a difference between shaking up the formula of gyms a bit and doing away with the learning curve of the game. The formula of gyms is just a motif of the series, whereas having a well-paced learning curve is an indisputable necessity. That's why the starters having split evolutions, and therefore the leak, is fake.

 

[King Xerneas]

That's why the starters having split evolutions, and therefore the leak, is fake.

This isn't the first leak to mention the starters have split evolutions, in fact, one of the more credible leaks states the starters have split evos too.

Also I'll play devil's advocate for a sec, but in the leaked concept arts each of them is labeled with a title and 3 in the corner (i.e. Owl3, Tiger3, etc). While I'm more certain that pertains to something else, maybe just a form of organization or pointing out its the third in the evolution line, it is possible that the 3 in the art could mean it's the third form of the final evolution, as in the starter's final evolution each have at least 3 forms. It's a bit of a crazy theory but I thought it should at least be put out there.

 

[Celever]

This isn't the first leak to mention the starters have split evolutions, in fact, one of the more credible leaks states the starters have split evos too.

Yeah, and I'm ignoring any leak which states as such. It's just not likely.

Also I'll play devil's advocate for a sec, but in the leaked concept arts each of them is labeled with a title and 3 in the corner (i.e. Owl3, Tiger3, etc). While I'm more certain that pertains to something else, maybe just a form of organization or pointing out its the third in the evolution line, it is possible that the 3 in the art could mean it's the third form of the final evolution, as in the starter's final evolution each have at least 3 forms. It's a bit of a crazy theory but I thought it should at least be put out there.

Probably stage 3. The whole basic - stage 1 - stage 2 is TCG terminology, whereas the terminology elsewhere is stage 1 - stage 2 - stage 3.

 

[professorlight]

I've noticed a lot of people dismissing this by saying "GF would never do that", ( i.e. never name a pokemon Panquake, starter evos would never have split typings, never reveal a middle stage pokemon first, etc...) and I think that's kind of an unfair argument considering how many confirmed features in Sun and Moon are already brand new and haven't happened before.

I'm afraid you misunderstand the argument; it isn't about precedent; GF is very good at breaking that, especially lately; the argument is because we've come to expect a certain quality from them, a signature style, that simply doesn't seem to be present in so many of those names; puns, portmanteaus, they can be good or bad; clever or groan-worthy, and GF usually has very clever puns and portmanteaus, they rarely go to the obvious, and that's part of what makes their quality so special. That quality is simply lacking in many of those names.

That's not to say they never make bad puns or lazy names, though; Kitana already pointed out Seel, which is simply a corruption of the word "seal", and she's right in that it isn't such a good name; it would be a pun if seel was a mix of seal and eel, maybe, but it's just a corruption, like Tirtouga. But Delfin isn't even that; the corruption (and the pun) lie in nobody who knows the spanish word for dolphin ever hearing about it. Since Pokemon keep their english name in spanish-speaking markets, doing that would be, as I said, like naming your dog "Dog". But lazy names like Seel are the exception (and most come from the 1st generation), not the rule.

For example, if you were whoever is in charge of making english names for pokemon (I don't know if the designers themselves do it, but it's possible), would you be so lazy as to take a word from another language and just use it in its entirety, without alteration? I doubt it; GF always puts a lot of thought into their names.

Even Bewear, which was brought as an example, is right in the middle between a genius pun and a groan-inducing pun; it's a bear, and it's dangerous, but the name isn't Dangerbear, or Hurbear, it's Bewear; they just moved a couple of letters around from one english word, and came up with a mix of two existing english words (three if you count "wear"), with adequate meanings that apply to the pokemon. That takes work, and even if it's a dumb pun, it's so elegantly dumb it deserves nothing but respect.
That's what GF does. They can make a pokemon so ironically dumb with a name so stupidly punny and still make it be worthy of admiration.

 

[Fire'd]

I think that people are discrediting the leak not because the new changes are different, but rather because they would be terrible on GameFreak's part. Split evolutions and other strange mechanics for the starters of the region would just be strange, because the games start you off more basic. That's why every region has a generic rodent and a generic bird. I think the only early-game Pokémon with any kind of gimmick to its name was Burmy, right? Or I guess Wurmple, but the player doesn't have control of that, so it doesn't count so much. The starters, which are supposed to be the player's introduction to Pokémon, aren't supposed to have the level of depth of a split evolution of forme changing mechanics -- that's why Greninja's Protean is a Hidden Ability.

While I agree, how do we know how complicated it is? It could be as simple as being on a different island for each different type. Yes, starters are meant as your introduction to the game, but by the time you're ready to evolve it into it's final evolution, you're not in the beginning of the game anymore; you've already put a good chunk of time into the game and should have a good understanding of how things work.

Plus, I don't think it would be meant to add the same amount of strategic depth as Hidden Abilities do. I think adding split starter evos would be more based around adding more player choice to the game. There's been a strong trend in gaming over the last several years revolving around having more choice in games and I wouldn't be surprised if GF wanted to add more. I understand that Pokemon has always had plenty of choice, I mean it is an RPG, but it's always only really been about the choice of which Pokemon are on your team. Being able to have more choice in what you're Pokemon actually evolves into could make people feel more connected to that Pokemon, particularly with the starters, considering their importance to the game.

One other thing to think about as well, how many people have completely ignored a starter because they didn't like what it evolved into or the typing it gained?That's exactly what happened to me last gen with Fennekin. When the starters got revealed, Fennekin was an easy choice for me; but after seeing the finals evos, I opted to go with Chespin. Maybe if there was a different choice with a different design or typing from Delphox, I might have stuck with Fennekin. I think adding multiple evolution options for the starters would help prevent some starters from getting completely ignored

 

[King Xerneas]

Yeah, and I'm ignoring any leak which states as such. It's just not likely.

Once again playing devil's advocate (I'm sorry the discussion is just too good), but CoroCoro (and probably something else I can't remember) did state that the starters AND Rockruff have a secret they all share. In almost all the leaks now the common trend has become that the starters and Rockruff get split evolutions/forms. With that in mind, this begs the question of what your first Pokemon and some early route dog have in common, especially since such emphasis was placed on it during Rockruff's reveal. Multiple forms/split evos might be one of the only things, if not the only thing, that would fit as the answer to that question.

 

[J.D.]

That's why the starters having split evolutions, and therefore the leak, is fake.

This isn't the first leak to mention the starters have split evolutions, in fact, one of the more credible leaks states the starters have split evos too.

Hmm... just in case it's your wording that's wrong and not your thoughts, I shall point out that none of the rumors said the starters had split evolutions, but rather multiple forms. Just like the Wormadam forms, they're still the same Pokemon, and if I had to guess they'd all look more-or-less the same, but possess different stats and typing and movepools.

Minior having an evolution is also unusual for the transformation gimmick as well, however, it isnt entirely unheard of. Flabébé line does something similar, and they still kept the color to the Pokemon it evolves to, so Id say its definitely plausible.

Burmy actually exists. Not saying I believe this list though.

Erm... that's not the same thing though. The forms of the Flabébé and Burmy lines are passive effects; once determined they never change. Minior's form change is an active effect like Darmanitan, Castform, and Meloette's, in that it can change back and forth, and in the midst of battle.

 

[Zielo]

And the name list leak has officially been proven as.... DEBUNKED!

Bewear has a preform, which was not mentioned! Meowth has an Alolan form, a Fire Marowak Alolan form (WPM called it), a sandcastle Pokemon, and a whale shark? Pokemon. None of which was on this list.

Boy, these sure are some strange looking Pokemon. The red panda baby is cute as heck though! And that Alolan Meowth is very unusual, the Marowak is really cool. Just waiting on that big Alolan Pikachu reveal....

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[King Xerneas]

a Fire Marowak Alolan form (WPM called it)

To be fair, a good majority of the fandom called it.

 

[Athena]

Yeah, Kiawe's description kind of gave it away.

 

[Zielo]

I'm sorry, but I'm far from a tomboy, and I think it's high time I get a girly starter. I haven't "had a choice" when it comes to them in eighteen years.

You'll survive.

Im not saying you're wrong, having feminine Pokemon is a great thing. I just prefer gender-neutral based Pokemon. Also, we've had girly starters before. I found Meganium, Serperior (which has always been noted as a "queen" in spin-off games), and Delphox to be all pretty feminine starter Pokemon, and thats just the final forms. I also find Littens final form to be too masculine as well, which is the main reason I dont like it (and the fact that its anthro).

Again, im not saying that its bad to have feminine/masculine Pokemon, or that its bad to have a male feminine/female masculine Pokemon, thats great. I just tend to prefer the gender neutral look so that it could go both ways. Nothing wrong with having a choice if the starter evos do split off into multiple forms, it will only mean that people will have more options.

Even Bewear, which was brought as an example, is right in the middle between a genius pun and a groan-inducing pun; it's a bear, and it's dangerous, but the name isn't Dangerbear, or Hurbear, it's Bewear; they just moved a couple of letters around from one english word, and came up with a mix of two existing english words (three if you count "wear"), with adequate meanings that apply to the pokemon. That takes work, and even if it's a dumb pun, it's so elegantly dumb it deserves nothing but respect.
That's what GF does. They can make a pokemon so ironically dumb with a name so stupidly punny and still make it be worthy of admiration.

YES to this. I pointed out the name Bewear earlier because it was such a ridiculously perfect example of how GF names their Pokemon. Its silly, painful, and ridiculous, yet at the same time its CLEVER. Its a name that appears to be so simplistic, but you know they took the time to find the perfect words to fit together. Another similar example is Bisharp. Bishop and Sharp are the two words used, but they work so well together, all you have to do is change two letters in the word "bishop" to make a sharp bishop, Bisharp. They could have done Sharbish, or Chesslice, or Cuttershop, but none of those will ever sound as good or flow as well.