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Another matchup that was difficult was mega man, i managed to pull out a win with turn 1 Ghetsis both games, but it was difficult, them healing with rough sees, is the best way to resolve the matchup just virbank?

If they get turn 1 lock it really hurts because my output stays at 30 a turn how do I beat it? just hex and lysasandre around it?

I have applied your changes, anyway to make trev matchup more favourable?

Pokemon: 16 3 Seismitoad EX 1 Jolteon EX 1 Manectric EX 4 Zubat 3 Golbat 2 Crobat 2 Shaymin EX Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums: 37 4 N 4 Proffersor Sycamore 2 Lysandre 1 Ghetsis 1 AZ 1 Colress 1 Xerosic 4 Ultra Ball 4 Hypnotoxic Laser 4 VS Seeker 4 Super Scoop Up 1 Computer Search 2 Muscle...

If you think Manectric's are better, please just say so, I have both, I thought Jolteon is good, because toad and Jolteon both lock in different ways.

This should't be tier 4, it's a great deck and has a well deserved tier 2 spot.

Thanks, I really like the changes, however I am still unsure how to beat Mega Rayquaza, With this list it just outspeeds, do you think 1 hex maniac and take out a shaymin for Jirachi will be enough??

Lol, I'm in England, my season isn't over.

Pokemon: 16 3 Seismitoad EX 2 Jolteon EX 4 Zubat 3 Golbat 2 Crobat 2 Shaymin EX Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums: 37 4 N 4 Proffersor Sycamore 2 Lysandre 1 Ghetsis 1 AZ 1 Giovanni's scheme 1 Colress 1 Xerosic 4 Ultra Ball 4 Hypnotoxic Laser 3 VS Seeker 3 Super Scoop Up 2 Head Ringer 1 Computer...

Um. don't take this to states, the supporter line is wired.. for NM at lease

Are you going Bornemouth Regionals. You could strip down supporters for a 2-2 octilary line.

Use octillary because some form of non supporter draw is needed

If you want speed I would put in a Cresselia from breakpoint, because your deck seems to trying to be fast and get quick KO's and since max elixer only works on bench, I dont see any way you get get a turn KO. With cresselia you start with it put a stadium down, and then max elixer + DCE retreat KO.

So the main counters are Lysandre and Gallade, can ayone think of anything else?

So what Jolteon does is for 2 colourless and a lighting energy it does 70 damage and can't be attacked by basics next turn. What this means Hex doesn't work on it. The only effective counter is Maxie's Gallade. Is this the new meta?

Where's his decklist?

Yveltal Max elixer, yveltal gallade, yveltal toad garbador. Straight yveltal.

I couldn't agree more, I have been testing it with a Archeops and Maxie's and it really helps out against vespiqueen, Maybe a way to beat it would be to tech in a Jolteon EX with the pyroar attack from the generations set.

Could Virizion Genesect make a comeback? It has relitavly good matchups against everything and it's only bad machup is vespiqueen flareon, which could be resolved with a 1-1 maxie's archeops line.

For aromatoad there is too many attackers, and the whole point of aroma toad is 4max potion 4 super scoop up.