Tropical Fires (Salamence / Milotic)

[skyla27]

Pokemon:

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  3 Salamence PLB
  1 Shelgon PLB
  4 Bagon PLB
  3 Milotic FLF
  4 Feebas FLF
  2 Reshiram LTR
  1 Simipour XY
  1 Panpour

Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums:

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  4 Juniper
  4 N
  4 Skyla
  3 Ultra
  3 Candy
  3 Prof Letter
  2 Super Rod
  2 Silver Bangle
  1 Switch
  1 Life Dew ACE SPEC

Energy:

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  7 Water
  7 Fire

Strategy: Life Dew/Energy Grace to Salamence and get it hitting turn 2 for 100 damage. The Breakwing ability nerfs tools and Gaia Crush attack discards stadiums. Salamence and Milotic also have a lot of synergy sharing a type with Salamence's expensive attacks and Milotic's ability. If you want to tech a Simipour 1-1 to recycle the life dew, you can try that as well. I call this deck Tropical Fires. You're welcome XD

 

[PokeBoss123]

RE: Tropical Fires (Salamence/Milotic)

Breakwing only gets rid of tools when you evolve into Salamence. So tools get discarded when you play Salamence, but afterwards they can play tools like normal. Also, I'd think that you would want to keep the Salamence up so Simipour is helpful, but not ideal. I think you should get rid of the Simipour line and add 2 Shadow Triads. Plus, if one part of your Simipour line is in your prizes then it won't work. If one of the Shadow Triads is in the prizes you still have another one. And the chances of both shadow triads being in the prizes are very low.

 

[Pipotchi]

RE: Tropical Fires (Salamence/Milotic)

How would shadow triad help this deck? From my knowledge, none of these cards are team plasma cards

edit: regarding the deck- I'm not overly sure what the aim of this deck i or if I'm missing it. Salamence does not really feel like he makes much sense as an attacker and breakwing doesn't have any obvious synergy with anything else. I can see the logic behind milotic paired with reshiram although it could be a little slow to start up without blacksmiths. You could remove the salamence line, candies and all of the water energies and put in a bunch of cards to better support reshiram's attacks perhaps. I'm not sure what to advise but it would give you 18 extra cards to play with. Salamence also cant be used to counter garbodor or anything like that since its ability will get shut off by the garbotoxin if he already has a tool

 

[PokeBoss123]

RE: Tropical Fires (Salamence/Milotic)

Wow, I must have read the card wrong. I do that a lot.

 

[skyla27]

ok, im going to explain this in a little more detail since you guys obviously dont get it. This isnt supposed to be meta, its a fun deck, hence the prefix. That aside, doing 130 damage a turn is bad? are you kidding? Ok, here's what i dont get. A- why would you suggest blacksmith for a deck where you cant attach to half your attackers? In a fire deck, fine, but Salamence is the main guy here. You cannot Blacksmith to a Salamence. Why? because he's a dragon, thats why. B- the reason behind Simipour is to recycle the Life Dew over and over again so that you can escape having to pay the prize card penalty for KOing your Milotic with Energy Grace. Gaia Crush does 130 damage with a Bangle attached and discards all stadiums in play. Beach? gone. Virbank? gone. Shadow Circle? gone. Fairy Garden? gone. EVERY TURN. Makes controlling the field a bit easier when your opponent doesnt get all of those nice benefits from those stadiums. You could even cut the switch and drop in a sacred ash to make Milotic a real pain if you want. Point is, Salamence is cool, and i felt like playing it. This is an updated version of an old deck that i used to play in the Dragon Frontiers set, which was quite ridiculous by all accounts. It was a nostalgia build with two of my favorite pokemon, and thats that. Haters gonna hate.

 

[Pipotchi]

No-ones hating on you, the description of this forum is literally " post your deck and get advice".

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

No-ones hating on you, the description of this forum is literally " post your deck and get advice".

But you aren't giving him advice on his deck. His deck is a Salamence deck
You're giving him advice on a Reshiram deck that you want to him to change this deck to.

 

[Pipotchi]

No-ones hating on you, the description of this forum is literally " post your deck and get advice".

But you aren't giving him advice on his deck. His deck is a Salamence deck
You're giving him advice on a Reshiram deck that you want to him to change this deck to.

I read the rules of this forum and there aren't any rules which say that you can't suggest to substitute out the title pokemon of the deck. I wouldn't do this if I could see more immediate synergy between the two main cards. However I did see a synergy between the reshiram that he is using and the milotic that he is using. I'm also not pushing him to do anything, which is why I am surprised by the response- I even said in my post that I wasn't sure what to advise and that i could be missing the synergy. I was thinking perhaps another, faster dragon attacker (for instance white kyurem ex with dragon stream) which uses both water and fire energy could be more effective, but apparently salamence isn't up for discussion so w/e. But lets not act like I am trying to control anyone's decisions or wildly overstepping any of his preferences to suggestions that were posted in the first post (eg. none)
I hope other people can find more appropriate suggestions to help the deck that can work with the cards that he definitely wants to keep.

 

[Kecleon-X]

ok, im going to explain this in a little more detail since you guys obviously dont get it. This isnt supposed to be meta, its a fun deck, hence the prefix. That aside, doing 130 damage a turn is bad? are you kidding? Ok, here's what i dont get. A- why would you suggest blacksmith for a deck where you cant attach to half your attackers? In a fire deck, fine, but Salamence is the main guy here. You cannot Blacksmith to a Salamence. Why? because he's a dragon, thats why. B- the reason behind Simipour is to recycle the Life Dew over and over again so that you can escape having to pay the prize card penalty for KOing your Milotic with Energy Grace. Gaia Crush does 130 damage with a Bangle attached and discards all stadiums in play. Beach? gone. Virbank? gone. Shadow Circle? gone. Fairy Garden? gone. EVERY TURN. Makes controlling the field a bit easier when your opponent doesnt get all of those nice benefits from those stadiums. You could even cut the switch and drop in a sacred ash to make Milotic a real pain if you want. Point is, Salamence is cool, and i felt like playing it. This is an updated version of an old deck that i used to play in the Dragon Frontiers set, which was quite ridiculous by all accounts. It was a nostalgia build with two of my favorite pokemon, and thats that. Haters gonna hate.

No-ones hating on you, the description of this forum is literally " post your deck and get advice".

No-ones hating on you, the description of this forum is literally " post your deck and get advice".

But you aren't giving him advice on his deck. His deck is a Salamence deck
You're giving him advice on a Reshiram deck that you want to him to change this deck to.

Okay, time out.

Here's the deal -- Pipotchi wasn't trying to be slandering in any way, and he was trying to suggest an option for you to run that he felt was superior. If you find a deck where a guy is playing, say, the Zekrom that has Fusion Bolt, an attack that requires four energy to do eighty unless you run Reshiram where it does one-hundred-twenty, and Blastoise to power him up, then wouldn't you suggest something else that you felt would be superior to his own strategy in order to help, say adding in Black Kyurem instead to do OHKOs for the same amount of Energy? Different deck, but a better one.

He was just trying to help. He didn't understand that you wanted to primarily run Salamence because you thought it was cool. Chill pills, guys, I'm prescribing one dose to each of you.

Anyway, on the note of your deck, have you considered Altaria to make Salamence's attack potentially OHKO things, and perhaps taking out the Simipour line and perhaps a Feebas and Reshiram to free up space for it?

 

[skyla27]

i would, but altaria is lysandre bait and requires too much setup. besides, if i take out simipour, it kills off the whole life dew cycling mechanic. Also, as far as white kyurem ex goes, you cant energy grace to an EX so that's a no-no. and i apologize for sounding angry, i wasnt trying to pick on you, i just dont think you guys saw what i was trying to do is all. No harm no foul. As far as Garbodor is concerned, you make a good point there, but theres always room for a megaphone if garbo is that big of an issue. and quite frankly if you evolve before garbo gets down, it becomes a problem for the garbo player, because as much as a guy can say, 'oh, i can just drop another tool on garbo," in a deck like yveltal, how many tools is a guy possibly gonna run? you KNOW some of those are gonna be meant for yveltals/absols/darkrais and whatever else, so not all of them are going there, and if you megaphone once and breakwing twice, it frustrates your opponent, who now has to expend resources to keep the small advantage that garbo gives them.

 

[Kecleon-X]

i would, but altaria is lysandre bait and requires too much setup. besides, if i take out simipour, it kills off the whole life dew cycling mechanic. Also, as far as white kyurem ex goes, you cant energy grace to an EX so that's a no-no. and i apologize for sounding angry, i wasnt trying to pick on you, i just dont think you guys saw what i was trying to do is all. No harm no foul. As far as Garbodor is concerned, you make a good point there, but theres always room for a megaphone if garbo is that big of an issue. and quite frankly if you evolve before garbo gets down, it becomes a problem for the garbo player, because as much as a guy can say, 'oh, i can just drop another tool on garbo," in a deck like yveltal, how many tools is a guy possibly gonna run? you KNOW some of those are gonna be meant for yveltals/absols/darkrais and whatever else, so not all of them are going there, and if you megaphone once and breakwing twice, it frustrates your opponent, who now has to expend resources to keep the small advantage that garbo gives them.

I would actually disagree -- If you set up multiple Altaria, which is actually really easy considering, them Lysandre-ing one up actually saves you a potential Salamence KO, which would mean that you would have to give up another Milotic.

I also wouldn't actually worry about Milotic giving up that Prize Card too much, especially since you run the Life Dew -- I've played the card before, and that one prize is very minimal in the long run, especially when you're taking a favorable prize trade.

You should also definitely put in at least one Megaphone, seeing as Scrapper will be rotated. You can't Energy Grace, use Breakwing (seeing as it's an ability that's shut off by Garbodor, ironically)... It could be catastrophic if they get it set up early enough. Granted, they play four Float Stone and three Muscle Band, the former for the Garbodor primarily, but the latter they aren't afraid of dropping due to Sableye's Junk Hunt and whatnot. But they run a lot of tools, so one or two Megaphone might be what's best for your deck considering the fact that you kind of rely on Energy Grace to get set up.