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Standard Future: Raticate BREAK / Ariados

GinjaNinja72

GinjaNinja72

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Pokémon: 19
  • 3 Raticate BREAK
  • 4 Raticate (BREAKpoint)
  • 4 Rattata
  • 2 Ariados
  • 3 Spinarak
  • 2 Yveltal (XY)
  • 1 Shaymin EX
Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums: 33
  • 3 Wally
  • 3 Winona
  • 2 Xerosic
  • 2 Shauna
  • 2 Lysandre
  • 2 Steven
  • 2 Skyla
  • 1 AZ
  • 4 Level Ball
  • 4 Time Puzzle
  • 2 Ultra Ball
  • 3 Trainer's Mail
  • 1 Pal Pad
  • 2 Silent Lab
Energy: 8
  • 4 Double Colorless Energy
  • 4 Dark Energy
Strategy:

This is a deck using Raticate BREAK and Ariados. When played correctly, it is capable of Knocking Out any Pokémon in existence. Here is a list of what each Pokémon's part in this deck is:

Raticate BREAK: When paired with Ariados, is capable of knocking out any Pokémon in existence.
Ariados: When paired with Raticate BREAK, is capable of knocking out any Pokémon in existence.
Yveltal: Energy Acceleration. Just there to provide extra damage and to speed up the process.
Shaymin EX: Hand Restoration. Helps when there's that last card you need still in your deck somewhere.

I didn't include tools like Muscle Band, Fighting Sprit Belt, et cetera because Raticate BREAK can do a ton of damage on his own. I included cards like Wally and Winona to get the Rats into play. Only play Silent Lab when there's no Aigeslash in play. This deck can be very efficient when you play it correctly, and could be the most powerful deck ever!

Translations:

Raticate – Colorless – HP70
Stage 1 – Evolves from Rattata

Ability: Antibodies
This Pokemon can’t be affected by any Special Conditions. (Heal any Special Conditions on this Pokemon.)

[C] Dirty Shock: Your opponent’s Active Pokemon is now Poisoned. Discard any Pokemon Tools attached to your opponent’s Active Pokemon.

Weakness: Fighting (x2)
Resistance: none
Retreat: 0

Raticate BREAK – Colorless – HP110
BREAK Pokemon – Evolves from Raticate

BREAK Evolution: This Pokemon has the attacks, Abilities, Weakness, Resistance, and Retreat Cost of the Raticate it Break Evolved from.

[C][C] Super Fang: Put damage counters on your opponent’s Active Pokemon until its remaining HP is 10.

Time Puzzle – Trainer
Item

You may play 2 Time Puzzle at the same time.

– If you played 1, look at the top 3 cards of your deck and put them back on top of your deck in any order you like.

– If you played 2, choose 2 cards from your discard pile, show them to your opponent, and put them into your hand.

You may play as many Item cards as you like during your turn (before your attack).
 
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Mr. Mine will not protect you from bat damage. He only protects against damage done from attacks so if he is only for bats then you might take him out and look into adding more draw support and potentially more energy
 
Any comments or suggestions?
Fouda said:
Mr. Mine will not protect you from bat damage. He only protects against damage done from attacks so if he is only for bats then you might take him out and look into adding more draw support and potentially more energy
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAhahahaha ha ha ha...
Silly me.
 
I think float stones are essential in this deck and 1-2 AZ could be nice toget aigeslash out of the way
 
Might wanna put in Wailord EX in instead of Aigeslash EX. Cuz Aigeslash can only protect against pokémon with special energy. Wailord is the tankyest card in the game most speed decks will take 3 turns to take him down and all u need is 3 turns to set up. Plus Aigeslash will go down in 1 because speed Entia can hit for weakness and if u r playing in expanded they can pull out the old plasma flareon and destroy u. Even Sceptile EX will take 2 turns to knock out Wailord and he hits for weakness so plz put in Wailord other than that I LOVE THIS DECK.
 
coolniceguy said:
Might wanna put in Wailord EX in instead of Aigeslash EX. Cuz Aigeslash can only protect against pokémon with special energy. Wailord is the tankyest card in the game most speed decks will take 3 turns to take him down and all u need is 3 turns to set up. Plus Aigeslash will go down in 1 because speed Entia can hit for weakness and if u r playing in expanded they can pull out the old plasma flareon and destroy u. Even Sceptile EX will take 2 turns to knock out Wailord and he hits for weakness so plz put in Wailord other than that I LOVE THIS DECK.
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Good idea. I'll consider it. Thanks for the feedback!
 
At first glance, I noticed:

There is no "easy" (i.e., via a Ball Item) way to search and get Spinarak or Ariados.

Other than the Wailord EX, all of the other Pokémon have relatively "low" HP; so, inclusion of a Super Rod could be helpful to recover and recycle discarded resources.

There are only 2 card-draw Supporters; which places you at a severe disadvantage, IMO.

Should you promote your Wailord EX into the active position, how do you plan to bench it when you want to attack (assume your sole AZ is prized)? Further, Wailord EX may not be such a good "shield" since your opponent can just Lysandre "around it."

Lastly, should you only against decks with no EX Pokémon, you'll need ways to recover your main attacker.​

Following are some suggested deck changes for your consideration:

-1 Wailord EX - there are a few Grass Pokémon (e.g., Vespiquen) that can 1HKO Wailord EX
-1 Wally - not critical with improved Ball engine
-1 Winona - not critical with improved Ball engine
-2 Steven - not really needed with improved mix of Supporters
-2 Hard Charm - not really needed given such "low" HP; plus, your Rats with the Exp. Share should be targeted first for KO in order that you can't save any Basic energy
-2 Exp. Share - not really needed
-2 Bursting Balloon - not really needed given you plan to KO
-3 Repeat Ball - not needed with improved Ball engine
-1 Trainer's Mail - 2 should be sufficient, IMO
-2 Pal Pad - not really needed with more Supporters and 4 VS Seeker

+4 Level Ball - helps get Ariados, Spinarak and/or Rats all out
+2 Ultra Ball
+6 (Professor Sycamore, Shauna and/or Judge)
+1 Super Rod

+2 Yveltal - good starter that can accelerate energy attachment
+6 Dark - replacing current Metal energy + 2 additional
- - - or - - -
+2 Landorus - good starter that can accelerate energy attachment
+6 Fighting - replacing current Metal energy + 2 additional​

Since you will need time to setup your Rats, either Yveltal or Landorus can be helpful in this regard, as well as provide some energy attachment acceleration. In general, overall deck speed has been improved given these suggested changes, IMO.

I hope you find these comments helpful.
 
I agree that 4 Level Balls are crucial. I also think that while this deck will be able to hold its own, it needs a backup attacker to deal with Grass-types, as they can't be poisoned with Ariados. I'm going to be testing Ancient Trait Swellow and Natu, but Yveltal is also a nice idea - you can Super Fang and then free-retreat into it for an easy KO. Raticate's immunity to poison will also help it against some Grass decks, if they also use Ariados.

I think 4 Time Puzzle is worth making room for - if only to recycle your DCEs.
 
so, i run this deck at the league i go to, and it works really well. i see the problem, that your main attacker is only a count of three, when you have four ratacate/ ratata to evolve from it. i run a line of 3-3-3 raticatre break, and a line of 2-2 ariados and it works fairly well, with the only problem being speed, but its not too big of a problem usually. i also run a seccondary attacker of machamp ex
EDIT: you can view my decklist in the garage, but i have made some minor changes, and i will update it after i go to a pre release
 
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My suggestions would be maybe go back to aegislash-EX because wailord-EX isn't necessarily a "wall".
TheLunaticHypno said:
so, i run this deck at the league i go to, and it works really well. i see the problem, that your main attacker is only a count of three, when you have four ratacate/ ratata to evolve from it. i run a line of 3-3-3 raticatre break, and a line of 2-2 ariados and it works fairly well, with the only problem being speed, but its not too big of a problem usually. i also run a seccondary attacker of machamp ex
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Machamp I feel could not be a good other attacker. You already attach 3 energies to raticate so another three on a Machamp would be a clunky deck.
 
awesomeMSG said:
My suggestions would be maybe go back to aegislash-EX because wailord-EX isn't necessarily a "wall".
Machamp I feel could not be a good other attacker. You already attach 3 energies to raticate so another three on a Machamp would be a clunky deck.
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raticate only needs two energies...
 
+2 Yveltal - good starter that can accelerate energy attachment
+6 Dark - replacing current Metal energy + 2 additional
- - - or - - -
+2 Landorus - good starter that can accelerate energy attachment
+6 Fighting - replacing current Metal energy + 2 additional
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I vote Xerneas & Fairy energies over this if we're talking straight energy acceleration.
 
The biggest problem with my deck is that I usually start with a ratata , and end up having it get knocked out... In everyone's opinion, what should I do to fix this? Getting some kind of a tank, to soak damage, like the wailord is a good idea, but I think it just might not work well, and having a hard time retreating might be a problem too. Any suggestions? I really want to make this work.
As well, I would like to have some sort of stadium and tool card to attach to radiate. Right now all I have is the fighting fury belt for macrame and no stadiums.
 
TheLunaticHypno said:
The biggest problem with my deck is that I usually start with a ratata , and end up having it get knocked out... In everyone's opinion, what should I do to fix this? Getting some kind of a tank, to soak damage, like the wailord is a good idea, but I think it just might not work well, and having a hard time retreating might be a problem too. Any suggestions? I really want to make this work.
As well, I would like to have some sort of stadium and tool card to attach to radiate. Right now all I have is the fighting fury belt for macrame and no stadiums.
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I think keldo ex with a float stone will be good with wailord. Fairy garden can be played with xerneas as a free retreater
 
If you're gonna use yveltal you'll wanna add in a battle compressor or two so you can throw away the energy so ou can then in turn use oblivion wing to put them back onto you're pokemon
 
GinjaNinja72 said:
Pokémon: 19
  • 3 Raticate BREAK
  • 4 Raticate (BREAKpoint)
  • 4 Rattata
  • 2 Ariados
  • 3 Spinarak
  • 2 Yveltal (XY)
  • 1 Shaymin EX
Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums: 33
  • 3 Wally
  • 3 Winona
  • 2 Xerosic
  • 2 Shauna
  • 2 Lysandre
  • 2 Steven
  • 2 Skyla
  • 1 AZ
  • 4 Level Ball
  • 4 Time Puzzle
  • 2 Ultra Ball
  • 3 Trainer's Mail
  • 1 Pal Pad
  • 2 Silent Lab
Energy: 8
  • 4 Double Colorless Energy
  • 4 Dark Energy
Strategy:

This is a deck using Raticate BREAK and Ariados. When played correctly, it is capable of Knocking Out any Pokémon in existence. Here is a list of what each Pokémon's part in this deck is:

Raticate BREAK: When paired with Ariados, is capable of knocking out any Pokémon in existence.
Ariados: When paired with Raticate BREAK, is capable of knocking out any Pokémon in existence.
Yveltal: Energy Acceleration. Just there to provide extra damage and to speed up the process.
Shaymin EX: Hand Restoration. Helps when there's that last card you need still in your deck somewhere.

I didn't include tools like Muscle Band, Fighting Sprit Belt, et cetera because Raticate BREAK can do a ton of damage on his own. I included cards like Wally and Winona to get the Rats into play. Only play Silent Lab when there's no Aigeslash in play. This deck can be very efficient when you play it correctly, and could be the most powerful deck ever!

Translations:

Raticate – Colorless – HP70
Stage 1 – Evolves from Rattata

Ability: Antibodies
This Pokemon can’t be affected by any Special Conditions. (Heal any Special Conditions on this Pokemon.)

[C] Dirty Shock: Your opponent’s Active Pokemon is now Poisoned. Discard any Pokemon Tools attached to your opponent’s Active Pokemon.

Weakness: Fighting (x2)
Resistance: none
Retreat: 0

Raticate BREAK – Colorless – HP110
BREAK Pokemon – Evolves from Raticate

BREAK Evolution: This Pokemon has the attacks, Abilities, Weakness, Resistance, and Retreat Cost of the Raticate it Break Evolved from.

[C][C] Super Fang: Put damage counters on your opponent’s Active Pokemon until its remaining HP is 10.

Time Puzzle – Trainer
Item

You may play 2 Time Puzzle at the same time.

– If you played 1, look at the top 3 cards of your deck and put them back on top of your deck in any order you like.

– If you played 2, choose 2 cards from your discard pile, show them to your opponent, and put them into your hand.

You may play as many Item cards as you like during your turn (before your attack).
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I believe that this can but I have a shorter pokemon section what do you think?


POKEMON
Ariados X 3

Spinarak X 3

Rattata X 4

Raticate X 4

BREAK Raticate X 4

Oddish X 2

Gloom X 2

Vileplume X 2

Bunnelby X 1

TRAINERS
Sycamore X4

Lysandre X 2

Rings of Time X 4

Forest of giant plant X 3

Level Ball X 2

Teammates X 1

Team Flare Grunt X 2

Trainer's Mail X 3

Judge X 2

Float Stone X 2

VS Seeker X 2

ENERGY
DCE X 4

Grass X 4
 
I LOVE this concept. Love 3x Wally.

Winona is nice since it grabs Shaymin, but consider Bridgette instead since she grabs Yveltal. You only run 1 Shaymin and 2 Ylveltal, soo...

Also, with that many low HP pokes that likely will be dying a lot, you may want to squeeze a Super Rod or Sacred Ashes in there.
 
Tri2attack said:
I believe that this can but I have a shorter pokemon section what do you think?


POKEMON
Ariados X 3

Spinarak X 3

Rattata X 4

Raticate X 4

BREAK Raticate X 4

Oddish X 2

Gloom X 2

Vileplume X 2

Bunnelby X 1

TRAINERS
Sycamore X4

Lysandre X 2

Rings of Time X 4

Forest of giant plant X 3

Level Ball X 2

Teammates X 1

Team Flare Grunt X 2

Trainer's Mail X 3

Judge X 2

Float Stone X 2

VS Seeker X 2

ENERGY
DCE X 4

Grass X 4
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Hey this is an okay deck but....vileplum will lock your level balls and u probly will not get it out cuz u play a 2-2-2 line u also need to play more VS Seeker u also have no draw support this deck is okay but has a long way to go I suggest taking out the vileplum line and only play 2 Ariados and spinarak u have to play many more level balls and draw support (Shaman ex or Professor Sycamore r the best).
 
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