Emolga in Empoleon/Stunfisk?

Machamp The Champion

Machamp The Champion

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For those of you who don't know what Stunfisk does: http://pokebeach.com/scans/dragons-exalted/70-stunfisk.jpg

Stunfisk seems to have grown in popularity as an alternate Fighting type counter Pokemon in Empoleon (Usually paired with Roserade as well). It can KO Tynamo's on turn 1 as well as double KO some Dark Deino's, and can really be a thorn in Hydreigon's side because they don't run Switch. I've been testing with Stunfisk, and the results aren't the best, but not awful. But since it does attack on turn 1, would Emolga still be necessary? They're both starters for the deck, so would having 2 different starters really be that much of a help? I've been using 3 of each which seems to be working decently, I'm just trying to get some others opinion's on the matter.

This thread is not on the discussion of weather or not Stunfisk is good in Emploeon, I'm just questioning IF I have Stunfisk in my deck, do I also need Emolga, not weather to take out Stunfisk.

Any imput on the matter would be appreciated. Thanks all :D
~MtC​
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RE: Stunfisk and Emolga in Empoleon?

I think Emolga is a staple IMO. It lets you get Quad Piplup T1, which is awesome. Stunfisk, while helps, is not as needed IMO. I like Terra better, just cause it can actually do damage to Darkrai.
 
RE: Stunfisk and Emolga in Empoleon?

Machamp the Champion said:
This thread is not on the discussion of weather or not Stunfisk is good in Emploeon, I'm just questioning the need for both Stunfisk and Emolga in the same list.
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Well, in order to know if there is a need for them both in the same list, you are forced to discuss whether or not Stunfisk is good in Empoleon. I do not think that Stunfisk is worth it in Empo, especially with Emolga. Emolga is, imo, a staple, as it is amazing to be able to fill your bench up t1. Stunfisk however, can very rarely attack t1 (not Level Ball searchable, can only use Fighting energy, etc), and you would probably want to use Emolga anyways. And Stunfisk is pretty bad after t1, because it would just be better to attack with Terrakion or Empoleon.
 
RE: Stunfisk and Emolga in Empoleon?

alexmf2 said:
Well, in order to know if there is a need for them both in the same list, you are forced to discuss whether or not Stunfisk is good in Empoleon. I do not think that Stunfisk is worth it in Empo, especially with Emolga. Emolga is, imo, a staple, as it is amazing to be able to fill your bench up t1. Stunfisk however, can very rarely attack t1 (not Level Ball searchable, can only use Fighting energy, etc), and you would probably want to use Emolga anyways. And Stunfisk is pretty bad after t1, because it would just be better to attack with Terrakion or Empoleon.
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Great minds think alike. As said by both of us, Stunfisk is not worth it. It also has a disgusting 3 retreat, which is aggravating to have catchered up because it doesn't have any heavy hitting attacks.
 
RE: Stunfisk and Emolga in Empoleon?

alexmf2 said:
Well, in order to know if there is a need for them both in the same list, you are forced to discuss whether or not Stunfisk is good in Empoleon. I do not think that Stunfisk is worth it in Empo, especially with Emolga. Emolga is, imo, a staple, as it is amazing to be able to fill your bench up t1. Stunfisk however, can very rarely attack t1 (not Level Ball searchable, can only use Fighting energy, etc), and you would probably want to use Emolga anyways. And Stunfisk is pretty bad after t1, because it would just be better to attack with Terrakion or Empoleon.
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RogueChomp said:
Great minds think alike. As said by both of us, Stunfisk is not worth it. It also has a disgusting 3 retreat, which is aggravating to have catchered up because it doesn't have any heavy hitting attacks.
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I see what you're both getting at, but I was mainly trying to say "I've been testing Stunfisk in my Empoleon list, should Emolga be in it as well?", not weather Stunfisk is good in Empoleon. I know that Emolga is really good in Empoleon. If I find that Stunfisk isn't all that great, I'll take him out. I guess I should've made that clearer.

Also, Terrakion has 4 retreat cost. So why is 3 a problem? Thanks for the imput anyways.
~MtC​
 
RE: Stunfisk and Emolga in Empoleon?

Because Terrakion is worth attacking with if stuck active. It can OHKO darkrai and put raikous, zekrom exs, and lightning types in general in check.
 
RE: Stunfisk and Emolga in Empoleon?

RogueChomp said:
Because Terrakion is worth attacking with if stuck active. It can OHKO darkrai and put raikous, zekrom exs, and lightning types in general in check.
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But if the Terrakion has no energy, then it's not gonna be doing anything (Even if you're using energy switch, it's only doing 30), while Stunfisk can at least soften things up while it's out there. If you have energy on the Terrakion, then why would they catcher it? If a Stunfisk was powered up enough to use Rumble then catchered, you could retreat it with another energy attachment.
 
RE: Stunfisk and Emolga in Empoleon?

Rumble can really put a hurting on Darkrai decks that don't play Switch, so Stunfisk has a lot of good qualities going for it. Who says you can't run both Stunfisk and Terrakion anyway? It doesn't have to be one or the other...

Getting back to the topic, I would probably recommend playing both Stunfisk and Emolga. I'm not sure if 3/3 is excessive (it does look like it is), but counts of both is most likely beneficial.

dmaster out.
 
RE: Stunfisk and Emolga in Empoleon?

dmaster said:
Who says you can't run both Stunfisk and Terrakion anyway? It doesn't have to be one or the other...

dmaster out.
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Good point, I just haven't found much room for decent amounts of both.
 
RE: Stunfisk and Emolga in Empoleon?

Machamp the Champion said:
I'm not looking for advice on weather Terrakion or Mew is better, or why I shouldn't use Stunfisk! Does no one understand that?
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take stunfisk out of your deck...
stunfisk is a bad start. in ANY stage 2 deck you want 2-4 of the basic out T1. if not, you are already off to a disadvantage. emolga is much better, the 3 stunfisk is taking vital space in your deck.
 
RE: Stunfisk and Emolga in Empoleon?

ashtavakra said:
take stunfisk out of your deck...
stunfisk is a bad start. in ANY stage 2 deck you want 2-4 of the basic out T1. if not, you are already off to a disadvantage. emolga is much better, the 3 stunfisk is taking vital space in your deck.
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So, yeah. Thanks for going against everything I've been telling you not to do :\ Also, Empoleon/Stunfisk/Roserade has won a battle road in masters, it's not like it's unplayable, or not even worth the time to test with.
 
Let me answer your question. I think that you should run just stunfisk. If you run level ball then it does almost the same as Emolga's attack. I don't see why in this deck you would run Emolga in this deck over level ball since you don't have any basic over 90 hp and it wastes your attack for the turn. If you can attack 1st turn that is amazing, and stunfisk helps you more.
 
Bo$$_89 said:
Let me answer your question. I think that you should run just stunfisk. If you run level ball then it does almost the same as Emolga's attack. I don't see why in this deck you would run Emolga in this deck over level ball since you don't have any basic over 90 hp and it wastes your attack for the turn. If you can attack 1st turn that is amazing, and stunfisk helps you more.
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Thank you! Someone finally gave the advice I was looking for. Also, technically, Stunfisk has over 90hp, but you should be starting with him anyways.
 
Hmm, an Empoleon Deck, eh? Well that certainly explains the high quantity of Basic Pokemon! Assuming you go with the aforementioned 3 Emolga and 3 Stunfisk, plus the staple of 4 Piplup, that's 10 basic Pokemon in your deck. I'd like to more blatantly point out that having an unusually high amount of Pokemon in an Empoleon Deck is a good thing!

You praised Stunfisk's strength in donking Tynamo and Deino, but you didn't similarly praise Emolga's strength in doing the same to Swablu, and pushing Tornadus EX into a wider KO range at the start of the battle! Yes I know, as far as strict strategy following is concerned, you use Emolga to gather basics!! Still, its quite a possibility to consider.

I think your Deck will benefit by adding more Basic Pokemon in general, such as Terrakion. I know you aren't interested in answering that kind of question, but consider the fact that with more Basic Pokemon in your Deck, you fill your Bench faster, power up Attack Command sooner, probably even bestow yourself compatibility with Pokemon Communication!
 
PumpedAaron said:
Hmm, an Empoleon Deck, eh? Well that certainly explains the high quantity of Basic Pokemon! Assuming you go with the aforementioned 3 Emolga and 3 Stunfisk, plus the staple of 4 Piplup, that's 10 basic Pokemon in your deck. I'd like to more blatantly point out that having an unusually high amount of Pokemon in an Empoleon Deck is a good thing!

You praised Stunfisk's strength in donking Tynamo and Deino, but you didn't similarly praise Emolga's strength in doing the same to Swablu, and pushing Tornadus EX into a wider KO range at the start of the battle! Yes I know, as far as strict strategy following is concerned, you use Emolga to gather basics!! Still, its quite a possibility to consider.

I think your Deck will benefit by adding more Basic Pokemon in general, such as Terrakion. I know you aren't interested in answering that kind of question, but consider the fact that with more Basic Pokemon in your Deck, you fill your Bench faster, power up Attack Command sooner, probably even bestow yourself compatibility with Pokemon Communication!
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Eelektrik and Hydreigon are much more popular then Garchomp (At least in my area and division it seems), and I have the Fighting energy for Stunfisk, I'm not just relying on the Blends to use Stunfisk. Stunfisk also has several other uses, such as stalling against Darkrai decks that don't run Switch.

I don't mind you telling me to add Pokemon to the list, I'm just not interested in taking out Stunfisk until I feel like I've tested enough with it. Not to mention, you're also giving other very helpful tips, unlike some others who have only been saying the Stunfisk isn't good.

I've also been using Roserade in the deck, so that adds to the basic count as well.

Thanks for all the advice, looks like there was a point to this thread other then bashing Stunfisk after all. :)
~MtC​
 
Yeah don't listen to others too much imo hah. I actually think Stunfisk works just fine in Empoleon AND I also do run Emolga, so to answer your question, yes I think both can work.

My list for Pokemon is 2 Fisk, 2 Emolga, 4-2-4 piplup chain and 2 terrakion and the deck actually works really well. You'll pretty much always get something you don't mind seeing turn 1 and depending on the build of your deck, you'll ALWAYS be able to get a second Pokemon on turn one to be able to accelerate the deck. So yes I think it works just fine. The only problem I think you miiight run into is because you use Roserade in the deck you could get a little confused on what you really want out right away but either way it should be able to work fine.
 
irondragon12 said:
Yeah don't listen to others too much imo hah. I actually think Stunfisk works just fine in Empoleon AND I also do run Emolga, so to answer your question, yes I think both can work.

My list for Pokemon is 2 Fisk, 2 Emolga, 4-2-4 piplup chain and 2 terrakion and the deck actually works really well. You'll pretty much always get something you don't mind seeing turn 1 and depending on the build of your deck, you'll ALWAYS be able to get a second Pokemon on turn one to be able to accelerate the deck. So yes I think it works just fine. The only problem I think you miiight run into is because you use Roserade in the deck you could get a little confused on what you really want out right away but either way it should be able to work fine.
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I don't listen to people because they're not listening to me. But thank you for the advice and Pokemon lines.
 
In the essence of simply answering your question and not stating my own opinions (of which I have many regarding Stunfisk, but again, this thread is not where they belong), I'm going to have to say yes, Emolga is needed too. Emolga is almost always needed in Empoleon, as it allows for a quick set up of Piplups and other basics, if needed. It also has free retreat, which makes the descisiom of what to promote after the active dies an easy one. Keep in mind that Stunfisk can be useful late game too, to either trap a Darkrai or get some needed damage onto something without risking a main attacker. This means that if you want to use Stunfisk, it doesn't have to be your go-to lead if you run Emolga.
 
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