Keldeo ex, Genesect ex, Swords of Justice, and Fossils Revealed from “Black Bolt” and “White Flare!”

[Cyndaquil987]

I don't know if this is ragebait or whatever, but I created a account only to answer to this nonsense. You clearly doesn't know about the game at all, genesect ex, tirtouga (trashalanche) and archeops will DEFINITELY see play

Fossils are bad, also fossils get hard countered by budew, you can't bench the basic under item lock, or search it out with artazon etc. trashalanche is a good attack, just not in this meta. You can't bench the basic, more setup supporters than items, means that if you can get it out, you ain't even hitting that hard in the first place. There aren't any good steel decks right now, and the one that's slightly ok wouldn't even play this. In theory these are good cards but they won't see play in this meta because of various limiting factors that make them bad plays. (Plus there's no other good Evo line like there was with garbotoxin, so people aren't just putting a 1-1 in there decks)

 

[MagnaDrake]

This is all quite mid tbh, people saying this'll be good in archaludon, but I dont think so. You need ultra ball to get energy in the discard, and this takes up a bench space and is a liability. Arch wants you to go through big beefy 300hp two prizes. I sadly don't think any of this is gonna see play (at least not rn) there's some really good trainer cards in this set, but are there any good Pokémon that's been revealed so far?

You seem to be forgetting that in the Budew universe we're living in sometimes you don't get to play Ultra Balls. Genesect completely bypasses that. Sure, in Archaludon you might prefer dumping your hand instead with Research, but Gholdengo with Genesect can absolutely cut down on Ultra Balls ignore Budew's lock to just do whatever Gholdengo wants to do.

I don't know if this is ragebait or whatever, but I created a account only to answer to this nonsense. You clearly doesn't know about the game at all, genesect ex, tirtouga (trashalanche) and archeops will DEFINITELY see play

I'm an optimistic guy when evaulating cards, and I agree with Genesect and Tirtouga, but Archeops might be a little bit of a stretch. Really hard to set up stage 2 fossils unless you can cheat both the fossil and the stage 2 together (or skip the fossil entirely like Summoning Star.)

 

[PkmnMstr10]

This is all quite mid tbh, people saying this'll be good in archaludon, but I dont think so. You need ultra ball to get energy in the discard, and this takes up a bench space and is a liability. Arch wants you to go through big beefy 300hp two prizes. I sadly don't think any of this is gonna see play (at least not rn) there's some really good trainer cards in this set, but are there any good Pokémon that's been revealed so far?

I'll have what this guy's smoking.

 

[smoothieshake]

Archeops seems like it’d be good with Froslass decks, such as Grimmsnarl. Not having to take a turn off to Devo opens up a lot of options.

 

[ztnoob]

Genesect: The new TM Evo for metal decks

 

[Cyndaquil987]

You seem to be forgetting that in the Budew universe we're living in sometimes you don't get to play Ultra Balls. Genesect completely bypasses that. Sure, in Archaludon you might prefer dumping your hand instead with Research, but Gholdengo with Genesect can absolutely cut down on Ultra Balls ignore Budew's lock to just do whatever Gholdengo wants to do.


I'm an optimistic guy when evaulating cards, and I agree with Genesect and Tirtouga, but Archeops might be a little bit of a stretch. Really hard to set up stage 2 fossils unless you can cheat both the fossil and the stage 2 together (or skip the fossil entirely like Summoning Star.)

but you're not gonna evolve if you don't have energy in the discard, and you'd rather not have a 220 hp liability on the bench. but either way even if you did play this in arch, it's not gonna save the deck, the deck is still bad either way

 

[WaffleCoptor]

but you're not gonna evolve if you don't have energy in the discard, and you'd rather not have a 220 hp liability on the bench. but either way even if you did play this in arch, it's not gonna save the deck, the deck is still bad either way

I really need some of what you're smoking because wtf lol, Arch ain't top tier but it's definitely a good deck.

Homeboy is also forgetting that Gholdengo is a Top 3 deck after Gardevoir and Dragapult - I can imagine the deck would love the option to nest ball into essentially two Gholdengo and skip the TM Evo if it wants to push aggression.

Also, saying Tirtouga has no place because of Budew is ludicrous - decks still play a lot of items even if they have supporter and tool options to get around it. Budew doesn't last the whole game! Not to mention items just ending up in the discard through other means like Professor's Research/Carmine, Squawkabilly ex, N's Zoroark ex, or even niche options like Morty's Conviction. Tirtouga decks could almost certainly make use of Eri or Xerosic's Machinations to force the issue on top of that.

Obviously Tirtouga has issues with being a Stage 1 and a fossil on top of that (also really fragile) but it's definitely not out of the question to be a contender.

 

[Alex Hesketh]

This is all quite mid tbh, people saying this'll be good in archaludon, but I dont think so. You need ultra ball to get energy in the discard, and this takes up a bench space and is a liability. Arch wants you to go through big beefy 300hp two prizes. I sadly don't think any of this is gonna see play (at least not rn) there's some really good trainer cards in this set, but are there any good Pokémon that's been revealed so far?

I mean you do say rn. Genesect is one card that you’ll always keep in mind going forward and for any possible future metal deck. Because it is a good card. Same goes to Eelektrik and Emboar as the big ones. And they have revealed more that may never be meta but will definitely see play by rogue decks. Idk I’m personally slightly more impressed by the playability of these cards given I thought it was gonna be a 151 2.0 in that regard

 

[Cyndaquil987]

I really need some of what you're smoking because wtf lol, Arch ain't top tier but it's definitely a good deck.

Homeboy is also forgetting that Gholdengo is a Top 3 deck after Gardevoir and Dragapult - I can imagine the deck would love the option to nest ball into essentially two Gholdengo and skip the TM Evo if it wants to push aggression.

Also, saying Tirtouga has no place because of Budew is ludicrous - decks still play a lot of items even if they have supporter and tool options to get around it. Budew doesn't last the whole game! Not to mention items just ending up in the discard through other means like Professor's Research/Carmine, Squawkabilly ex, N's Zoroark ex, or even niche options like Morty's Conviction. Tirtouga decks could almost certainly make use of Eri or Xerosic's Machinations to force the issue on top of that.

Obviously Tirtouga has issues with being a Stage 1 and a fossil on top of that (also really fragile) but it's definitely not out of the question to be a contender.

Tbh forgot gholdengo was metal, but I still think gholdengo benefits more from having more draw instead of the genesect. Arch had a 0% conversion rate in a recent regional, the deck is bad. I do think that these cards will potentially see play in the future, cause the genesect has a good ability, but right now it's a bad play and I don't think any deck will play it, the trashalanche turtouga is bad currently too, not only cause of budew, but cause there are no water decks in the format rn it may be used in future formats but rn they're all bad (except dynamotor)

 

[Fields.]

Fossils are bad, also fossils get hard countered by budew, you can't bench the basic under item lock, or search it out with artazon etc. trashalanche is a good attack, just not in this meta. You can't bench the basic, more setup supporters than items, means that if you can get it out, you ain't even hitting that hard in the first place. There aren't any good steel decks right now, and the one that's slightly ok wouldn't even play this. In theory these are good cards but they won't see play in this meta because of various limiting factors that make them bad plays. (Plus there's no other good Evo line like there was with garbotoxin, so people aren't just putting a 1-1 in there decks)

Of course they won't see play in this meta because they're not legal in this meta. These cards are meant to be played in their own meta, and are honestly looking like they're geared to a post-rotation meta where we lose a lot of powerful supporters.

 

[RogueMike95]

Homeboy is also forgetting that Gholdengo is a Top 3 deck after Gardevoir and Dragapult - I can imagine the deck would love the option to nest ball into essentially two Gholdengo and skip the TM Evo if it wants to push aggression.

I agree with you on that Genesect should absolutely be considered for Gholdengo for the reasons you state, but even if Limitless shows Dengo having a top 3 percent across the whole format, Raging Bolt is making a way stronger case to being top 3 right now.

 

[WaffleCoptor]

I agree with you on that Genesect should absolutely be considered for Gholdengo for the reasons you state, but even if Limitless shows Dengo having a top 3 percent across the whole format, Raging Bolt is making a way stronger case to being top 3 right now.

I agree Bolt is a contender, but Gholdengo having such a better matchup into Gardevoir is worth considering.

Plus I can imagine Genesect helping with tempo versus Bolt, where having better Gholdengo search lets you seize momentum with a Boss's Orders or such and take the first two prizer. Crucially, not ending your turn with a TM Evo makes you much less likely to lose a two prizer to their own gust.

 

[MagnaDrake]

but you're not gonna evolve if you don't have energy in the discard

Correct. But now you have easier access to Archaludons when you need it. Sometimes you research your 5 energy hands into 7 cards that doesn't have Archaludon, or maybe some ultra balls but youre item locked. Genesect becomes that fifth Archaludon in the deck that you can try to draw into.

, and you'd rather not have a 220 hp liability on the bench

Also correct. But when you play Arch you usually play Fez and/or Squawk anyway. Just a matter of which liability you want at what time. You also run Turos and Scoop Up Cyclone, so you can pick it up when you have the chance. Picking up your support pokemons instead of a damaged Archaludon win games more often than you think.

but either way even if you did play this in arch, it's not gonna save the deck, the deck is still bad either way

Remains to be seen. After getting told many times Marnie's Grimmsnarl ex was an unplayable deck then suddenly shot up to tier 1 in Japan, I'd hold on saying any deck is bad until it's proven to be actually bad. Genesect might not throw Archaludon back to tier 1 but it's definitely an improvement.

In any case, as others have also said in the thread, Genesect opens potential to ANY metal deck in the future, and offers consistency boosts to current metal decks that is underperforming. I myself am looking forward to slap it into Steven's Metagross. Crab's kinda busted but there's a lot of missing pieces for it to be truly good and this looks to be something.

 

[Cyndaquil987]

Correct. But now you have easier access to Archaludons when you need it. Sometimes you research your 5 energy hands into 7 cards that doesn't have Archaludon, or maybe some ultra balls but youre item locked. Genesect becomes that fifth Archaludon in the deck that you can try to draw into.

Also correct. But when you play Arch you usually play Fez and/or Squawk anyway. Just a matter of which liability you want at what time. You also run Turos and Scoop Up Cyclone, so you can pick it up when you have the chance. Picking up your support pokemons instead of a damaged Archaludon win games more often than you think.

Remains to be seen. After getting told many times Marnie's Grimmsnarl ex was an unplayable deck then suddenly shot up to tier 1 in Japan, I'd hold on saying any deck is bad until it's proven to be actually bad. Genesect might not throw Archaludon back to tier 1 but it's definitely an improvement.

In any case, as others have also said in the thread, Genesect opens potential to ANY metal deck in the future, and offers consistency boosts to current metal decks that is underperforming. I myself am looking forward to slap it into Steven's Metagross. Crab's kinda busted but there's a lot of missing pieces for it to be truly good and this looks to be something.

You'd rather have fez on the bench cause fez is a much better card than genesect is, you want the opponent to hit into your arch and not gust around it, it will be good in Stevens when that's a good card and has more pieces I agree

 

[incessantAlchemist]

is it just me or is Tirtouga just way better than Carracosta

 

[itmealice]

so much good art in this set! Archen and Archeops are the standouts for me in this batch followed by Virizion and Genesect

 

[Cyndaquil987]

Of course they won't see play in this meta because they're not legal in this meta. These cards are meant to be played in their own meta, and are honestly looking like they're geared to a post-rotation meta where we lose a lot of powerful supporters.

Yeah post rotation in 8 months, we know nothing about that and they may just reprint all the old supporters in the set before rotation, these cards will not see play unless the Stevens metagross gets good attackers, this genesect won't see play. The emboar is just a worse Bax rn as chien pao is better than every fire attacker we have at the moment and that sees no play. The eel is pretty good tho

 

[HydrangeaWM]

This is all quite mid tbh, people saying this'll be good in archaludon, but I dont think so. You need ultra ball to get energy in the discard, and this takes up a bench space and is a liability. Arch wants you to go through big beefy 300hp two prizes. I sadly don't think any of this is gonna see play (at least not rn) there's some really good trainer cards in this set, but are there any good Pokémon that's been revealed so far?

I think Genesect ex will see play in Gholdengo ex decks, not just for its ability to search out Gholdengo ex itself, but also to search for Scizor and Scizor ex. Emboar will be really good when paired with cards like Gouging Fire ex, Armarouge ex, this set’s Reshiram ex, and the upcoming Ethan’s Magcargo from Destined Rivals. Jellicent ex is definitely gonna see play in some Gardevoir decks as a control pokemon (Especially since a fully powered up Jellicent can OHKO a Dragapult ex). Eelektrik in general will be good, but I think it pairs beautifully with Samurott, since you can use cards like Ignition energy and Eelektrik’s Dynamotor to power up Samurott very quickly. Reuniclus looks like an amazing alternative to Mamoswine ex, Zoroark is gonna punish Tera Box decks really hard since they have tons of benched pokemon. Even Serperior ex could be usable if a copy of Judge/Iono isn’t reprinted. Admittedly this is a pretty rough batch of cards. Keldeo ex in particular is one of the worst ex cards in the entire SV era. But there’s still a lot of powerful stuff in this set

 

[Cyndaquil987]

I think Genesect ex will see play in Gholdengo ex decks, not just for its ability to search out Gholdengo ex itself, but also to search for Scizor and Scizor ex. Emboar will be really good when paired with cards like Gouging Fire ex, Armarouge ex, this set’s Reshiram ex, and the upcoming Ethan’s Magcargo from Destined Rivals. Jellicent ex is definitely gonna see play in some Gardevoir decks as a control pokemon (Especially since a fully powered up Jellicent can OHKO a Dragapult ex). Eelektrik in general will be good, but I think it pairs beautifully with Samurott, since you can use cards like Ignition energy and Eelektrik’s Dynamotor to power up Samurott very quickly. Reuniclus looks like an amazing alternative to Mamoswine ex, Zoroark is gonna punish Tera Box decks really hard since they have tons of benched pokemon. Even Serperior ex could be usable if a copy of Judge/Iono isn’t reprinted. Admittedly this is a pretty rough batch of cards. Keldeo ex in particular is one of the worst ex cards in the entire SV era. But there’s still a lot of powerful stuff in this set

I don't think genesect will be played in gholdengo, but I do think it has some crazy potential in Stevens metagross. Emboar doesn't really have any good attackers rn, bax has chien pao + water pon and it doesn't seem any play, the eel I think is the best and the other seem interesting but niche, I think the jellicent is very interesting and can be good in garde, but idk if it's better than what Garde does already

 

[arturito]

No "Rush in" Keldeo this time, sad