Discussion Excellent cards that people did not think would be good

Discussion in 'Pokémon Trading Card Game' started by Attix, Jun 13, 2018 at 7:31 PM.

  1. Attix HAPPY BIRTHDAY DARK LORD!
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    I've been thinking about this for a while: what are some examples of cards that were thought to be mediocre at best to just plain bad at worst (or even cards that just flew under the radar) when they were first revealed that went on to be metagame-definers, or at least extremely good techs or rogues?
     


  2. Zzrrdd Aspiring Trainer
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    Mega audino counts I suppose. It won worlds so it deserves a mention. To be honest a lot of people doubted Lucario gxs potential, a that's done pretty well so far. Metagross gx is another one that people completely overlooked. It was never crazy good, but it did pretty well when GUR first released. I'm sure there's more but those are the ones I can think of off the too of my head
     
  3. Wechselbalg

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    Evil Admonition Weavile was being hyped for about two weeks after it won (or got second, I can't remember) a regional in Sweden. Then it when back to being sort of meh.

    Ironically, while CRI cards were being leaked, lots of people thought that Buzzwole would be "just ok" and if I remember correctly the majority of people were also underestimating how dominating Zoroark could become during the SLG leaks. Dawn Wings was also thought to be very bad until FLI came out - and in all honesty, rightfully so, as it was only made good by Malamar and the success of Buzz.
     
  4. The Last Shaymin Only $9.99!
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    " gardevoir GX is bad"
     
  5. Attix HAPPY BIRTHDAY DARK LORD!
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    Yeah, sometimes it does feel like the counter comes out before the thing it's supposed to counter does.
     
  6. I don't think anyone has said this ever. In today's meta it's not as good, but no one doubted its potential impact upon release.

    Zoroark-GX didn't receive the hype it had prior to legality. Lycanroc-GX was overlooked.
     
  7. AuraJackle Aspiring Trainer
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    Briggete is a great example of this. however it could be said that was more because at the time of its release there was no lele and it was a heavy EX format. Otherwise it's hard to pinpoint a card that is underhyped tons of people playtest incoming cards and ween out the gimmick cards that look good but are ultimately unsuited for the format(Zygarde-GX). If I had to pick one pokemon card that people didnt look at enough at first is Dawn wings necrozma it was like a dollar for the the ULP cycle but then malamar comes out and its suddenly much more expensive. Goes to show cards that show possible promise are always worth picking up.
     
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  8. Timmony_tcg Aspiring Trainer
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    I think Wailord-EX is a pretty good example of this - everyone was so focused on its awful Ability/attack that they didn't account for how significant its bulk was. It wasn't until the Wailord stall deck broke out at 2015 US Nationals that people realized how oppressive it could be, and it's always had a solid place in the Expanded metagame ever since.

    Another more recent example could be Dawn Wings Necrozma-GX - most people didn't even pay attention to its attacks before Malamar was released. When it first came out, DW Necrozma was used mainly for Invasion in hyper-offensive strategies like Ho-Oh/Kiawe that constantly needed to reset the effect of its big attack. I remember many saying it would never be THAT good, since it was weak to one of the most popular Pokemon in the format, Zoroark-GX. And... well, look at it now haha
     
  9. Timmony_tcg Aspiring Trainer
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    If you go back and read some of the Pokebeach comments on the article first revealing Gardevoir-GX, you'd be surprised how many people dismissed it outright. "It's a Stage 2 - it'll never be consistent enough" "Its attack only does 30 damage from every Energy"

    Of course, there were some even in that thread who were talking about how potentially good the card could be, but yeah... there were plenty of skeptics before the set actually dropped
     
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  10. CrownAxe Aspiring Trainer
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    Tons of people though it would be bad all from Gardivoir's reveal the way up to it's release. You can just look at her discussion on this very forum
     
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  11. Articuno_Aria Articuno is UNO for a reason
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    I feel like Skyla hid under the radar for a while until Vika/Bulu became a thing. But once she rotates you replace her with Volkner
     
  12. Timmony_tcg Aspiring Trainer
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    Skyla was already a card for quite a while before it was reprinted in BREAKthrough, and it saw tons of play back when it first released. Hard to call that a card people didn't think would be good...
     
  13. Timmony_tcg Aspiring Trainer
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    Practically no one knew what Donphan-PLS did before the release of Furious Fists, but the introduction of Strong Energy, Korrina, Focus Sash, Fighting Stadium, etc. allowed for it to become a great hit-and-run style deck that could reliably 2HKO almost the entire format, all while being able to protect the attacker by moving it to the Bench. It still shows up in Expanded from time to time if Zoroark gets too big.

    While Trevenant-XY did see some play in Accelgor-DEX variants (use Accelgor to Paralyze, then promote Trevenant to lock items), it didn't become a metagame staple until BREAKpoint, with the release of Trevenant BREAK. Being able to spread damage while maintaining item lock was simply absurd, especially with support cards like Dimension Valley to make stringing attacks even easier. With the upcoming release of the Tapu Lele promo, this strategy will become even more powerful in Expanded.

    Espeon-EX was largely seen as a gimmick card when it was first released, simply because many of the top archetypes of the metagame at the time (Night March, Yveltal, Seismitoad) relied on Basic attackers, so devolving wasn't really considered a valid strategy. It only became big at the start of the Sun & Moon era, where it found a useful partner in Decidueye-GX (spreading damage to Evolutions, then devolving) and a shift to a metagame that focused on strong Evolution Pokemon (since GXs often had massive HP, but evolved from Basics with relatively low HP). It still sees some play today in Standard spread decks, as well as Expanded Trevenant decks.

    Finally, I feel that some of the Tool cards from BREAKpoint were not very popular when they were first released. Fighting Fury Belt was considered mediocre compared to Muscle Band, since the extra HP it provided wasn't very useful if the opponent just played Startling Megaphone/Xerosic. In the same vein, Bursting Balloon was initially considered mediocre, although it did see play in decks with relatively lower damage output, like Greninja and Trevenant. However, this was all in the XY-on Standard; when the format rotated to Primal Clash-on, all reliable forms of Tool removal were rotated out (this would remain the case until the release of Field Blower). With Muscle Band rotated, and no way to remove Fury Belts and Bursting Balloons, these cards suddenly became massively popular, largely defining the PRC-SUM format as grindy and focused primarily on trading 2HKOs.
     
  14. Number51x Blasting off at the speed of light!
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    Bridgett is why I sorted all of my trainers out of my bulk and started keeping them in their own box. You just never know!
     
  15. Articuno_Aria Articuno is UNO for a reason
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    Skyla became more popular when VikaBulu was released, I should say. I forgot about the Boundaries Crossed one lol
     
  16. Otaku The wise fool?
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    The issue that makes this a dubious topic is the one that makes it a possible topic; our limited perception and understanding.

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    Wait! Comeback! I'm not trying to be a jerk! I'm just saying, I don't remember a time when there was 100% unanimous predictions about the quality of a card. Let's take an example of Pidget-EX; while it wasn't part of the BDIF, I remember most having a low opinion of it, and would never have predicted a deck built around it could take 9th place at a Regional... but that happened. So, why is it not an example? @crystal_pidgeot recognized that it had potential, at least if I remember correctly. ;)

    Unless someone was all "Hey! Donphan has potential! All that is required is..." and predicted the many chances to the card pool and metagame that made Donphan work, not the least of which was Pokémon Catcher receiving an erratum so that it required a coin flip to work, I'm pretty sure it shouldn't count as an example. ;)

    In fact, I wouldn't count any time a card becomes good due to the release of a future piece of support or because it countered a future popular card unless someone predicted that... oh wait, we're looking for cards no one saw being good, and like I said, usually one person at least claims a card will be good. @[email protected] If we were evaluating someone's predictions about whether or not a card was good or bad, I recommend it be about more than a "Yay"/"Nay" thing.
     
  17. crystal_pidgeot Bird Trainer *Vaporeon on PokeGym*
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    I do think Pidgeot-EX is a good example of this but I didn't want to be the one to mention it before someone else (looking at that ban I got...), but you mentioned it. Mirror Move is one of those moves I still think is viable in the meta because of synergy it has with cards in the format. Max Potion, Fighting Fury Belt, Shining Celebi (if used with Mega Pidgeot) and be use FFB tricks and seeing that deck make 9th at a tournament made me feel like I contributed to the meta a bit. Simply being able to fire off a 160+ damage move for one Energy with the healing options available just has a ton of potential in both Standard and Expanded.
     

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