Finished Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Town Win!

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  1. Keeper of Night Nobody Special
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    I can't say why he decided to defend me yesterday, but I'm questioning any votes placed on a claimed townie, who we practically accepted as town yesterday due to his win-con differing from the OP basically confirming his alignment, for certain.
     


  2. Keeper of Night Nobody Special
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    Trying to justify voting a townie?
     
  3. Mr.Muffin Cooler than Everyone who is less Cool than Me!
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    It is either you or him. You have both acted completely scummy this whole game.

    If you don't want me to vote for someone who claimed town(not proven) then okay.

    ##UNVOTE:CELEVER
    ##VOTE:KEEPER OF NIGHT

    If you don't flip scum then I have no problem being killed day 3. I think you being town is highly unlikely. If you are I am completely confused on this game/world.
     
  4. Keeper of Night Nobody Special
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    And... What makes me likely to be scum? Because I'm siding with a claimed town?
     
  5. WanderingWolf Only *insert number here* days to go!
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    Uh... what exactly is happening? Celever, literally the first person to claim and have a role precisely like the first dead person, Camoclone is being voted for? Guys, take Celevers word for now, especially since he doesn't seem too far off being town. Honestly, you guys are just gripping at straws at this point.

    We can't just go into RVS about this once more, we have to actually think.
    Case on someone will be coming in about an hour or two.
     
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  6. bbninjas Ready or Not!
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    Talk about you not reading...
     
  7. Vom Shocking Puns
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    How does this help? If they are town and do stupid things, scum doesn't kill them (unless they claim doctor :p ) giving us one more player, and if they are scum, they get caught and lynched.

    What are you talking about anyway xD I'm pretty sure it's the Celever thing but I don't really get what's stupid about it.
     
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  8. bbninjas Ready or Not!
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    Soooooo... you say the WHOLE point of this epidemic was to prevent Camo from being lynched? But he got lynched. And guess who led the lynch!? Keeper. Sounds a bit contradictory, don't you think?
    You even said you don't want to start pointing fingers, but guess what... you did. You accused Camo for buddying, tunnelling, Camo-stuff and etc, which eventually led to the lynch of Camo. Sneaky scummove here.


    This sounds not just like a challenge to Camo, but a defense for yourself if you get called out. You are infecting the notion into the collective Town that people who were not 'hiding' are towny. This notion is beneficial to you since you were not 'hiding', thus making the town wrap you into a more 'towny' notion.


    This sounds like a rubbish and very weak argument to Camo's point. You're accusing Camo of misunderstanding as a defence against Camo's accusation about your contradictions. That doesn't even make sense!!

    Explained? [sarcasm] That (the quote above) was very detailed explaining... [/sarcasm]


    Okay, so before you were saying Camo doesn't create discussion (or is productive), and then you are saying that he did start a discussion. I'm becoming convinced you've created a contradicting lie to make Camo suspicious, a viable lynch and weaken his authority.

    You're in no rush? Why is that? And why are you making a case when you said you /didn't/ want any fingers pointed at Camo?

    So you now decide vote Camo, and right after Celever claimed. I'm predicting that Celever is your scum buddy and you are trying to subtly remove suspicions from him. Basically you lead the lynchee jump from Celever to Camo. And do some more finger pointing. Of course, when Camo claimed a power role that I would find more believable than Celever's claim, you don't change your vote. Trying to get Camo lynched and save Celever?

    So you decide to start a discussion now when you've been called up? That sounds highly suspicious to me, especially as you're diverting suspicions attention away from you, and even gathering a bit more of fake town leadership.

    tl;dr
    • Keeper basically lynched a claimed Town power role after stating he did not want Camo being lynched
    • Keeper is mass contradicting himself and was being hypocritical
    • Keeper created a story/stereotype/scenario to make Camo seem much more suspicious, which led to said contradictions. Why? Because Keeper was not familiar with the story, or more accurately, the lie.
    • Keeper is trying to sow detrimental seeds into the Town to make him seem townier
    • Keeper was protecting Celever by diverting suspicions from him to Camo
    • Keeper is trying to divert discussions of suspicions on him by creating different discussions
    • Keeper is scum/anti-town

    ##VOTE: Keeper of Night

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    Found one of Camo's likely reasons for suggesting a Brave lynch, which will be useful for future reference.
     
  9. Celever Wheeeee~
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    Camo, who was the main guy at my throat, was actually the guy to clean me. The win condition in the example Role PM in the OP was actually wrong at the time of my claiming! This just cleans me because I wouldn't have been able to know the actual used wincon if not town. @Mr.Muffin, this is my playstyle. I act like me. This oftentimes gets me lynched because IRL I'm a genuinely guilty person (has got me into mistaken trouble before) and this isn't going to change whether I'm town or scum because I'm no willing to change it, ergo I'm scummy regardless of alignment. Great attribute, right? ;)

    I still don't like this lynch on KoN. I've read bb's case, and I don't really like it. Intentions almost never equate to consequences. Circumstances change, and they changed yesterday which led to Camo's lynching.

    Also to whover taklked about my role fishing on the last page... It was more of a role nudge :p. Bigfoot had put SS in a position whee he seemed open to claiming (and SS was too open :/) so I outed his role while fishing for leads.
     
  10. bbninjas Ready or Not!
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    Forgot about that clear about the different wincon. However, all the other points against Keeper are valid.

    Would you mind elaborating? Keeper had the majority of control and influence over Camo's lynch, and from the VERY start of the Day. If KoN did not argue and point fingers and be a contradict and vote for Camo, then Camo wouldn't have been lynched. This is a scheme on Keeper's part, not a coincidence or changing circumstance.
     
  11. Keeper of Night Nobody Special
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    Majorly, yeah, because I thought he was town.
    I didn't accuse Camo of buddying, I accused ATA of buddying with him. He admitted to tunneling himself.
    "The lynch of Camo" was a tie. It could just as easily have been me dead and you people would be making the same case against him instead.

    Camo admitted to ignoring my posts.
    I don't understand that last part. But I will tell you that "you have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide" is a HP quote and since it fit I thought it was funny.

    You're right, it doesn't. Because all I can say to this is... Huh?

    Like Camo, I feel like you're missing a majority of my posts. I suppose I'll have to find them myself if you continue this. argument.

    I did say Camo wasn't being productive because he really wasn't. Discussion =/= Productivity

    Because the day still had plenty of time and ending the day early when we could see more discussion is stupid?
    I know for a fact I had at least one post pointing out when and where my view on Camo changed.

    In what universe was Camo's role more believable? He posted his after Celever did, and Celever did so with the PROPER WIN CON. Which even Camo pointed out!
    Again, the argument of me being scum rests on the fact that Celever would ALSO have to be scum.

    The discussion I decided to start had nothing to do with MtC's questioning. It was an attempt to get more people talking and possibly lead to an actually helpful discussion.

    1: I no longer believed Camo was town. His role was far more likely to be fake than Celever's.
    2: Don't think so.
    3: Huh.
    4: I'm scum for seeming town?
    5: Guilty as charged. Protecting the most likely to be town. Better kill me now.
    6: Because starting discussion myself and bringing more attention to me is the smart move for scum.
    7: Not a fact.


    *sigh*

    /ninja'd
    You do remember that the day ended in a tie, and it was basically 50/50 between Camo or myself being lynched... Right?
     
  12. Celever Wheeeee~
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    Keeper went in with the intentions of not trying to lynch Camo, which is what you posted. As the day progressed, circumstances changed, and Camo started acting really scummy as most of the game noticed (since they actually agreed with it enough to lynch him). As such, saying that KoN backpedaled because his intentions differ from his consequential actions is clutching hard and isn't a real case.
     
  13. bbninjas Ready or Not!
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    bolded
     
  14. bbninjas Ready or Not!
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    Oh, there is the possibility that the anti-town teams actually were told the Town wincon in some other way. Some possibilities come to mind include godfather roles or simply IE posting in the QT an example role.
     
  15. bbninjas Ready or Not!
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    I would like to mention that I am waiting for and wanting to see this...

    You say that you find Camo really scummy, but in the heat of the moment during the previous day you voted for KoN instead, because "IDK. I DON'T KNOW ;(". This basically means that you found both of them as equally as scummy.
     
  16. Celever Wheeeee~
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    Camo got into my head.
     
  17. bbninjas Ready or Not!
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    o_0
    I'm not even sure what to make of that...
     
  18. Keeper of Night Nobody Special
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    Me saying I thought Camo was town was NOT a contradiction. It would be a contradiction if I said I never believed Camo was town.
    I did. Then I didn't. Read Celever's post if you still don't understand.

    You admit you don't exactly remember what you're arguing about...?

    All those 5 votes? I must be some sort of puppet master or something to get 4 whole people to want to lynch Camo.
    Most had their own reasoning completely separate from me by the way.

    It addresses your concerns.

    He wasn't answering my questions because he was ignoring my posts. I wanted to know why, and he said he wasn't going to answer questions from scum. Even MtC agreed that he should have still addressed my concerns.

    How does me telling Camo he's misunderstanding after he admitted to not reading my post not make any sense?

    I never said you misunderstood. Actually, you were the only one to say that. Right here:

    All I said was you weren't reading my posts.

    Again, starting discussion about something pointless is not productive.

    I find it hilarious that you managed to gather all these posts and try to make a flimsy case yet didn't have your facts straight about my accusations and also missed when I view changed on Camo.

    Second time in the same post that you admitted to missing something important.

    What were your words again... Hilarious and hypocritical?

    I was busy with school/waiting to see if others would help with discussion.

    -At least it is only one argument.
    -Don't think I've said anything about me contradicting myself.
    -And it doesn't look like you're too concerned about getting a real answer.
    -Yeah... No. That still means I'm scummy to you for seeming town.
    -So you admit that one of your major arguments no longer applies. ...Does that mean we're done here?
    -MtC was against me yesterday, what good would it do to argue with him now? He already stated he wants me dead because I don't agree with Camo's method (or maybe that was somebody else, would have to check, been a while) and I'm not going to argue with such thinking.
    -Then present the evidence you clearly must have that says I'm scum.
     
  19. bbninjas Ready or Not!
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    I'll address ^ later

    Meanwhile, I'd like to know exactly what @WanderingWolf is doing - I saw you on here ~30 minutes ago, but not before then...
     
  20. BigfootAUS Game Dev & VR Consultant / Trainer
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    Sorry, I didn't realise Camo's roleflip cleared Celever. SS seems fine for now too.

    ##UNVOTE: Squirtle Squad
    ##VOTE: Keeper of Night


    This post probably doesn't make much sense so... here's Drohn's role.


    Drohn, post my role!

    (Due to the way the new Inbox system works, when Drohn posts my role it won't have things like colour or bolding or italicizing or underlining. I have bolding in this post because I copied directly from my Inbox to this post, while Drohn has to copy the role from the quicktopic.)
     
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