The Competitiveness of Each State

Which point system do you like better?

  • Alexmf2's point system

    Votes: 4 30.8%
  • Celebi23's point system

    Votes: 9 69.2%

  • Total voters
    13

alex

Miss the game
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I made this thread to find out how competitive each state was using the results of Nationals. I used a points formula to award points for how far each person in each state got. The points went like so:

Top 128: 1 point.
Top 64: 2 points.
Top 32: 3 points.
Top 16: 4 points.
Top 8: 5 points.
Top 4: 6 points.
Top 2: 7 points.
Winner: 8 points.

The results from Nationals and the states that each person was from can be found here:

1 John Roberts II - Missouri
2 Kevin Nance – North Carolina
3 Jay Hornung - Iowa
4 Christopher M - Virginia
5 ashon haswell – North Carolina
6 Tom Dolezal - Ohio
7 Breton Brander – Colorado
8 Carl Scheu IV - Ohio
9 Harrison Leven - Florida
10 John K - Texas
11 Stephen Clark – Tennessee
12 Dallan Fell - California
13 Dylan Bryan – New Jersey
14 jeremy jallen - Arizona
15 Toby Natale – New Jersey
16 Simon Narode - Oregon
17 Alan Schell - mississippi
18 Alex Frezza – Massachusetts
19 Jason Klaczynski - Florida
20 Edmund Kuras - California
21 Erik Nance – North Carolina
22 Stephon Robinson - Virginia
23 azul C. garcia Griego – Massachusetts
24 Nicholas Baker - Ohio
25 Kevin Kobayashi - Florida
26 Jimmy Ballard - Illinois
27 Bohdan Pelekh – Michigan
28 Jacob Rebescher - Ohio
29 Caleb Cline - texas IIRC
30 Christopher N - California
31 Kennan M - Washington
32 Zachary Mirman - Nevada
33 Oscar Morales - California
34 Chad M – Missouri
35 Travis Nunlist - Indiana
36 Samuel Liggett – Tennessee
37 Robert Weidman - Texas
38 Dana Lynch - Texas
39 Steve G - Ohio
40 guy b – North Carolina
41 Michael Gallaher - Arkansas
42 Andrew Mondak - Ohio
43 Tom Filbey
44 Skyler Knopp - Florida
45 Joey Gannon - Ohio
46 Tyler Smith – Oklahoma
47 Calvin Chang – Minnesota
48 Jason Annichiarico – New Jersey
49 James Roll - Florida
50 Polo Le - Washington
51 matt s - California
52 James McKellar - Georgia
53 Andrew Spencer - Ohio
54 david lopez - Florida
55 Nick Chimento – New York
56 Jayson Harry - Indiana
57 Daniel Altavilla - Florida
58 Zach Bivens – North Carolina
59 Mike McElwain - Michigan
60 Adam Garcia - Texas
61 Austin Cook - Texas
62Not Opted Into Rankings (Chris wood)
63 Darrell Moreno – New York
64 Nikolas Campbell - Michigan
65 mark g - California
66 Carlos Maldonado
67 Renzo C - Florida
68 Michael Reynolds – North Carolina
69 Andrew m - Utah
70 Graham Olton - Oregon
71 John T – Colorado
72 Benjamin Potter - Maryland
73 Curran Hill – North Carolina
74 Brandon Jones - Utah
75 Tyler Keller - Indiana
76 Matt Nawal - Ohio
77 Matthew Kish - Michigan
78 Vincent Blasko - Illinois
79 Caleb Harrison
80 carington huffman
81 louis thompson
82 John Chimento – New York
83 Joseph Moore-Costa
84 Isaac Soto - Illinois
85 Jacob Willinger – Indiana
86 Nick C
87 collan baker - Michigan
88 AJ K
89 Eric Richard - Michigan
90 Karol Nowak - Illinois
91 Chris Jester - Florida
92 Stephen McGaffney - Ohio
93 Zachary Bowers - Pennsylvania
94 Philip Matthews – North Carolina
95 Charlie Nguyen - Washington
96 tuan duong
97 Evan C – South Carolina
98 Evan Bennett
99 Simon Brundage – Oregon
100 Toby Nelson - Illinois
101 santiago Rodriguez - Florida
102 Rahul Reddy - Virginia
103 Alexandra H
104 Steven Hernandez - California
105Charlie P - Arkansas
106 Ariel L
107Not Opted Into Rankings
108 Steven varesko
109 Ethan Mommaerts – Wisconsin
110 Ricardo Garcia - California
111 ryan sabelhaus – South Carolina
112 Michael Skoran – New York
113 Dustin Zimmerman - Indiana
114 justin burns
115 Taylor Duffin – Utah
116 Mason Lovato – California
117 Joshua Harvley – South Carolina
118 Lloyd W - Maryland
119 Ernie Sparks – Texas
120 Robert Gill – South Carolina
121 Kidd S
122 Michael Lesky – Wisconsin
123 Justin Kittelson-Burke
124 Treynor Wolfe - Nebraska
125 Chris Brinkmeyer
126 Nik Nikodem – Illinois
127 Daniel Lopez - Florida
128 Joseph Sanchez – California

Using the point system and the above results, this is the order of the most competitive states, from best to worst.

1. North Carolina
2. Ohio
3. Florida
4. California
5. Texas
6. Missouri
7. Virginia
8. Michigan
9. New Jersey
10. Illinois
11. Indiana
12. Iowa
13. Colorado
14. Tennessee
15. Oregon
16. Massachusetts
17. Washington
18. New York
19. Arizona
20. South Carolina
21. Mississippi
22. Nevada
23. Arkansas
24. Utah
25. Oklahoma
26. Minnesota
27. Georgia
28. Wisconsin
29. Maryland
30. Pennsylvania
31. Nebraska
32-50. All other states

North Carolina: 23 points (Top 2, Top 8, Top 32, Top 64, Top 64, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
Ohio: 23 points (Top 8, Top 8, Top 32, Top 32, Top 64, Top 64, Top 64, Top 64, Top 128, Top 128)
Florida: 22 points (Top 16, Top 32, Top 32, Top 64, Top 64, Top 64, Top 64, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
California: 19 points (Top 16, Top 32, Top 32, Top 64, Top 64, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
Texas: 16 points (Top 16, Top 32, Top 64, Top 64, Top 64, Top 64, Top 128)
Missouri: 10 points (Winner and Top 64)
Virginia: 10 points (Top 4, Top 32, Top 128)
Michigan: 10 points (Top 32, Top 64, Top 64, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
New Jersey: 8 points (Top 16, Top 16, Top 64)
Illinois: 8 points (Top 32, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
Indiana: 7 points (Top 64, Top 64, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
Iowa: 6 points (Top 4)
Colorado: 6 points (Top 8, Top 128)
Tennessee: 6 points (Top 16, Top 64)
Oregon: 6 points (Top 16, Top 128, Top 128)
Massachusetts: 6 points (Top 32, Top 32)
Washington: 6 points (Top 32, Top 64, Top 128)
New York: 6 points (Top 64, Top 64, Top 128, Top 128)
Arizona: 4 points (Top 16)
South Carolina: 4 points (Top 128, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
Mississippi: 3 points (Top 32)
Nevada: 3 points (Top 32)
Arkansas: 3 points (Top 64, Top 128)
Utah: 3 points (Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
Oklahoma: 2 points (Top 64)
Minnesota: 2 points (Top 64)
Georgia: 2 points (Top 64)
Wisconsin: 2 points (Top 128, Top 128)
Maryland: 2 points (Top 128, Top 128)
Pennsylvania: 1 point (Top 128)
Nebraska: 1 point (Top 128)
All other states: 0 points

If states tied, I put the state that had the highest placing first.

Celebi thought that a different point system would be better, and he came up with this instead.

Top 128: 1 point.
Top 32, 64: 2 points.
Top 16, 8, 4, 2, 1: 3 points.

Using Celebi's points, states came out like this:

1. Ohio
2. Florida
3. California
4. North Carolina
5. Texas
6. Michigan
7. New Jersey
8. Illinois
9. Indiana
10. Virginia
11. New York
12. Missouri
13.Tennessee
14. Oregon
15. Washington
16. Colorado
17. Massachusetts
18. South Carolina
19. Iowa
20. Arizona
21. Arkansas
22. Utah
23. Mississippi
24. Nevada
25. Oklahoma
26. Minnesota
27. Georgia
28. Wisconsin
29. Maryland
30. Pennsylvania
31. Nebraska
32-50. All other states

Ohio: 20 points (Top 8, Top 8, Top 32, Top 32, Top 64, Top 64, Top 64, Top 64, Top 128, Top 128)
Florida: 19 points (Top 16, Top 32, Top 32, Top 64, Top 64, Top 64, Top 64, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
California: 16 points (Top 16, Top 32, Top 32, Top 64, Top 64, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
North Carolina: 15 points (Top 2, Top 8, Top 32, Top 64, Top 64, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
Texas: 14 points (Top 16, Top 32, Top 64, Top 64, Top 64, Top 64, Top 128)
Michigan: 9 points (Top 32, Top 64, Top 64, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
New Jersey: 8 points (Top 16, Top 16, Top 64)
Illinois: 7 points (Top 32, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
Indiana: 7 points (Top 64, Top 64, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
Virginia: 6 points (Top 4, Top 32, Top 128)
New York: 6 points (Top 64, Top 64, Top 128, Top 128)
Missouri: 5 points (Winner and Top 64)
Tennessee: 5 points (Top 16, Top 64)
Oregon: 5 points (Top 16, Top 128, Top 128)
Washington: 5 points (Top 32, Top 64, Top 128)
Colorado: 4 points (Top 8, Top 128)
Massachusetts: 4 points (Top 32, Top 32)
South Carolina: 4 points (Top 128, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
Iowa: 3 points (Top 4)
Arizona: 3 points (Top 16)
Arkansas: 3 points (Top 64, Top 128)
Utah: 3 points (Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
Mississippi: 2 points (Top 32)
Nevada: 2 points (Top 32)
Oklahoma: 2 points (Top 64)
Minnesota: 2 points (Top 64)
Georgia: 2 points (Top 64)
Wisconsin: 2 points (Top 128, Top 128)
Maryland: 2 points (Top 128, Top 128)
Pennsylvania: 1 point (Top 128)
Nebraska: 1 point (Top 128)
All other states: 0 points

So, what do you guys think of this?
 

Celebi23

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Well, just because I'm completely biased, I'm going to throw a good word in for Washington.

Most of our highly competitive players made a very bad decision at Nationals (in my opinion). If I remember correctly, Kenny, Tyler, Amelia, google, Trevor, Zane, and a few others all went with the Vileplume/Paralyze lock deck and bombed out, largely by getting slowplayed. I think we had a total of 6 players not using Vileplume. Three of us made it into cut, which is all in all a great showing. Especially considering one of them had two byes he didn't cash in on and proceeded to miss.

Also, I wouldn't say North Carolina should be on top. The whole group of them made a GREAT decision in playing that Raikou/Eelektrik deck; they're the reason I didn't get to play on day 3. Even so, Florida, California, Ohio, and arguably Oregon/the northwest and Colorado/the mountain west all have a reputation for being more competitive.

You have to remember that a lot of these states were carried by one or two people under your points system and that this was just one tournament. There were all kinds of variables. Indiana had a hometown advantage, people had bad luck, byes skew the results, etc.

If I were doing it, I would do the system like this:

Top 128: 1 point.
Top 32, 64: 2 points.
Top 16, 8, 4, 2, 1: 3 points.

Once you get to day three, everybody is so good that it's all about matchups and luck. It starts to get to that point before that in a lot of cases. Top 128 isn't a huge deal, but if you win again, you prove you should be in cut.
 

o0Flint0o

Aspiring Trainer
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I like these statistics!
My state, Virginia, is number 7? Whoo!
Yeah....it sounds cool, but bad for me since i'll have to compete with the competitive.
If I suddenly ever decide to play at any type of event like that.
 

alex

Miss the game
Member
Celebi, I completely realize how many variables there are, and that this really isn't the true competitiveness of each state. It is simply the best information that I could use for the task. You're points are also interesting, if you could find out how each state did under that point system I could edit it in as an alternative look. I would do it myself, but I am very tired and I don't think I will be able to do it tomorrow.

I think I will also do this next year, and then compare the differences and similarities.
 

Celebi23

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Ohio: 20 points (Top 8, Top 8, Top 32, Top 32, Top 64, Top 64, Top 64, Top 64, Top 128, Top 128)
Florida: 19 points (Top 16, Top 32, Top 32, Top 64, Top 64, Top 64, Top 64, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
California: 16 points (Top 16, Top 32, Top 32, Top 64, Top 64, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
North Carolina: 15 points (Top 2, Top 8, Top 32, Top 64, Top 64, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
Texas: 14 points (Top 16, Top 32, Top 64, Top 64, Top 64, Top 64, Top 128)
Michigan: 9 points (Top 32, Top 64, Top 64, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
New Jersey: 8 points (Top 16, Top 16, Top 64)
Illinois: 7 points (Top 32, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
Indiana: 7 points (Top 64, Top 64, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
Virginia: 6 points (Top 4, Top 32, Top 128)
New York: 6 points (Top 64, Top 64, Top 128, Top 128)
Missouri: 5 points (Winner and Top 64)
Tennessee: 5 points (Top 16, Top 64)
Oregon: 5 points (Top 16, Top 128, Top 128)
Washington: 5 points (Top 32, Top 64, Top 128)
Colorado: 4 points (Top 8, Top 128)
Massachusetts: 4 points (Top 32, Top 32)
South Carolina: 4 points (Top 128, Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
Iowa: 3 points (Top 4)
Arizona: 3 points (Top 16)
Arkansas: 3 points (Top 64, Top 128)
Utah: 3 points (Top 128, Top 128, Top 128)
Mississippi: 2 points (Top 32)
Nevada: 2 points (Top 32)
Oklahoma: 2 points (Top 64)
Minnesota: 2 points (Top 64)
Georgia: 2 points (Top 64)
Wisconsin: 2 points (Top 128, Top 128)
Maryland: 2 points (Top 128, Top 128)
Pennsylvania: 1 point (Top 128)
Nebraska: 1 point (Top 128)
All other states: 0 points
 

Spidy

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Alabama didnt make the cut
:x

maybe other age groups should count a little
we had 13th in seniors
 

alex

Miss the game
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I might have also done Seniors but there was no info on them.

Celebi, thanks, I'll edit that in now.
 

Infinity

Soccer Mom
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My state is better than your state Glace. This means that I'm better at everything than you. :3
 

Glace

Top 8, Worlds 2013
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Let's not let this turn into a "my state is better" thread.


(but for the record Virginia is better than both your states) (if you want to respond to that, Profile comments, though all you could possibly say is how you know Virginia is a lot tougher).
 

o0Flint0o

Aspiring Trainer
Member
Glace said:
Let's not let this turn into a "my state is better" thread.


(but for the record Virginia is better than both your states) (if you want to respond to that, Profile comments, though all you could possibly say is how you know Virginia is a lot tougher).

WHOO VIRGINIA
I still have work to do if I even want to approach anyone in my state.
 

Athena

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Happy to see Illinois had such a good turn out, though I'm not sure if that's because we actually have a bunch of good players, or just because we're close to Indiana and therefore more of us traveled to Nationals. :p
 

DNA

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Ohio: 20 points
Florida: 19 points
California: 16 points
North Carolina: 15 points
Texas: 14 points
Is it any wonder I hate going to tournaments, given that the difficulty level for each tourney I go to is...well, basically the same? (Yep, I'm vouching for California. Tourneys here are difficult.)
CA, FL, and OH are probably the three best states in the US (in no particular order), but I know that OR and WA also have a few good players as well.

North Carolina? Didn't see that coming.
 

Nigel

Extra Spicy
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I honestly don't think that the amount of top cuts at Nationals reflects on how competitive a state is. For example, you listed that Georgia (where I live) is one of the most competitive states just because it got a top cut. I think it would be relevant to say that as a matter of fact, Georgia has only three competitive Masters in the entire state, as well as only two competitive seniors and one competitive Junior. Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Maryland all have loads of competitive players, and are below Georgia. Just throwing that out there.
 

alex

Miss the game
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Georgia is in the bottom 5 of the competitive states? Numbers doesn't mean much if they can only get T128 or worse. Like I said, this isn't exact, but it's the best way to do it. I'll do this next year too, and maybe I'll average it or something.
 

PG24

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The fact my state is not full of scrubs makes me want to start playing TCG.

kindasortamaybenotreallyprollynotlol

imo this system is flawed. Skill level of states should be determined by a ratio of top cut players to total number of players. Just my two cents that probably mean nothing.
 

Glace

Top 8, Worlds 2013
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"Maryland have loads of competitive players,"

lolno.

https://www.pokemon.com/us/account/championship-series/ratings-and-rankings/?cycle=9&division=all&location=176&state=42&type=points&product=tcg&btn-search=Search

Penn on the other hand is competitive.
 

Mudkip711

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I'm pretty sure Ohio is the toughest state in terms of players. We have many good masters (as you can see by this thread), great seniors (Ty Wheeler represent), and awesome Juniors (Top 4 at Worlds 2011). Are all you lesser states jealous?

In all seriousness, if we keep doing this as an annual thing it could really show which states are the most consistent.
 
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