Finished Mafia LIX-II: Make-A-Mafia: Game Over - Innocents Win!

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  1. GM DracLord Shadow of Death
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    him being interested atleast mean that he isn't one, SM does being a mayor having a second role or just receiving an extra temp ability
     


  2. scattered mind Competitive VG Forums Mod
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    you have the extra ability of forcing a no lynch.
     
  3. Ephemera Faerie of the Viridian Forest
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    Woah, a lot has happened... I'd like to share stuff now.

    First, a quick justification - I was curious and echoing your question, Scattered. I'm confused as to how that makes me scumlean?

    Now, to other thoughts.
    Hang on, Zone, what makes you think that there is a vigilante in the currently used roles? If there were a vig in the setup, it could be in the unused roles for all we know. Was there something that confirmed a vig - the attack notification maybe? (although I thought that was the scum action?)

    Now, to thoughts about who the vig is - if there is one.
    Nick has already claimed redirector, Piplup was Don Tillman, Zone is a role cop/retributionist, and GM Drac has something to do with why Piplup didn't die quickly (as seen in the next quoted post I will discuss), so it's probably not Drac either. That leaves scattered as the most likely vig candidate.
    If the vig isn't scattered, Drac could also be it, but I don't think it's likely that he has both a vig and a death delay (or something).

    Is the delay of death the main thing, or is there another effect? Not sure how I feel about this... something just feels off. Just a gut feeling, I'll need more impressions to get a better picture.

    TL;DR
    I don't know how being curious about the mayor makes me scumlean.
    How does Zone know there is a vig in the roles? It could be because someone got attacked, but that could also be the nightkill action.
    If there is a vig, it's likely scattered. Maybe Drac if he's keeping his info secret.
    I'm not sure what vibes I'm getting from Drac.
     
  4. Zone Q11 『Plebeian』『He who Hails from NovelUpdates Forum』
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    Alright, fair enough. NEXT!
    --- --- ---
    How is openly targetting you not-so-scummy?
    And who did you target N1?
    How is being interested in the Mayor's identity anywhere close to suspicious?

    ##UNVOTE
    ##VOTE:
    scattered mind
     
  5. Zone Q11 『Plebeian』『He who Hails from NovelUpdates Forum』
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    If there was actually a vigilante, then they would've claimed by now so they can become clear of suspicion.
    However, now that everyone has confirmed to not claim vigilante, it is 100% certain that I was attacked by a faction kill rather than a vig-shot.
    You forget one thing; yourself. You are still not out from the PoE.
    Aside from that; ALL EYES ON SCATTERED.
     
  6. bbninjas Ready or Not!
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    D2 Vote Count #1

    Ephemera: 1 | scattered mind [#140]
    scattered mind: 1 | Zone Q11 [#145]

    GM Draclord: 0 | Zone Q11 [#135-#145]

    No vote: TheAquaPiplup, TeamAqua4Life

    Majority: 3 votes
    Hours remaining: 44 hours remaining
    Past vote count: n/a
    Note: This vote count DOES NOT show decreased or increased vote weights, if any.



    This is an official announcement on behalf of the executive office of the mayor! From it, you decipher that:

    Ephemera currently has the role of not a sheep. Their abilities allows them to steal the vote of whoever voted them first, as well as drive two players to each other during the night.
     
  7. GM DracLord Shadow of Death
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    So that confirm Ephemera having the role i sign ip with. N a normal setup it would really fit a scum role and also a nice way be used as scum scapegoat in large4 games
     
  8. Ephemera Faerie of the Viridian Forest
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    Huh. Not sure how the mayor could do that, since scattered said it was only forcing a no lynch, but maybe it changes as the game goes on - I mean, forcing a no lynch later on is pretty powerful. I also thought Zone was the role cop?

    Still, it is accurate. Sorry Nick, I had to use the ability on someone.
     
  9. scattered mind Competitive VG Forums Mod
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    Have you voted anyone? You are not in the VC
     
  10. Zone Q11 『Plebeian』『He who Hails from NovelUpdates Forum』
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    1. Tell me what just happened.
    2. I am the role cop who got redirected by Nick into Piplup.
    3. If you vote scattered now, you will instantly hammer him.

    @scattered mind, until you answer my questions, you will not get away from me.
    Even if this game is one of the most silent FM games I have played in my life, you are not allowed to skip over anyone's contents.
     
  11. Ephemera Faerie of the Viridian Forest
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    Alright. Let's discuss.

    First - I am not a sheep - which initially required me to choose a player at night and swap abilities with them. Since I needed to do so for the ability, I chose Nick at random, resulting in my current abilities, which have been reported.

    That's why Nick emphasized was here. Again, sorry for that - I had to choose, so I chose you at random.

    Okay, now let's talk the mayor.
    No one has been claiming mayor - for a reason now that this announcement has appeared.

    Scattered, you said the mayoral role allowed a forced no lynch. Would you know anything about this public report ability?
    So, the mayor can post messages, and is apparently a flavor cop. Whether that is up to role or due to being mayor is in question.
    Let's analyze.

    Now that the first ability is most likely Piplup's - the analyzing one - is it possible that the fourth report - learning a customer's name - wasn't you, Zone? If so, this could possibly be the mayor.

    I'm talking about this because there are 2 parts to this report by the mayor. The public broadcast, and the flavor cop. I'm not sure if they are both part of the mayor's role - if they are, this discussion doesn't matter.
    Still, if the mayor's report is only a public broadcast, there is another flavor cop besides Zone - since Zone said he was redirected to Piplup - which means that someone is not being forthright with the town. Also, since the report was in the middle of the day, it must be one of us who are alive.
    Not sure where this might go, but I'm getting bad gut feelings about the mayor. Now I'm even more curious as to who it could be.

    Unanswered questions and other business:

    I'd like to reiterate this: Nick, why did you redirect Zone and Piplup to each other? I'm p sure Zone hadn't told his roles, and Piplup was probably going to die anyway, so what was your thought process here?

    You've been vague about this, and I don't think you've given a clear answer (that I understand, at least). Could you be a bit more specific as to why it would make Piplup die later, and when you used it?
     
  12. scattered mind Competitive VG Forums Mod
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    It was just a tease to get a response to analyze. I am the mayor. Nothing has changed. I still have the option to end the day with a no lynch. If ephemera votes me he is 100% scum
     
  13. Ephemera Faerie of the Viridian Forest
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    Okay, this changes things. Scattered is still the mayor, and somehow he posted my role publicly.
    Scattered, care to tell about your thought process behind this, and how you did this?
    As far as I remember, you didn't state this ability as part of the mayor, so you kept it hidden. Not necessarily a bad thing, just wondered why you'd do that.
    I find this a little sus.

    I'd vote you, but I did realize that it's a hammer, and although I am indeed sus of you, I've already made my view on hammers clear. We need more discussion.
     
  14. scattered mind Competitive VG Forums Mod
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    To get responses. Also to catch someone on a lie maybe.

    why did you force my vote to be match to yours?

    The mayor has many abilities. Again, thanks for electing me.
     
  15. Zone Q11 『Plebeian』『He who Hails from NovelUpdates Forum』
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    I am 100+% against this theory. I have received a repeat of Piplup's role, so that last action was definitely me.
    1. What lie is there to be made, when the only thing Mera said was that their ability was weak?
    2. "Why did you force my vote to match yours?", asks the one who triggered a passive ability.
    3. Spill it out, or you will die.
    I care not for your view on hammer. I will give you one chance.

    ##UNVOTE

    Vote scattered, and push him to L-1, or I will push my vote on you instead.

    @GM DracLord, @TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK
    Come and join the discussion.
     
  16. TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK The Phazing Spider-Man
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    Alright, yeah sorry. Had stuff going on.
    My process was to merely semi-clear Zone to myself to avoid any previous disposition I had towards him in past games. we see where that got us. Anyway, Zone, who would you have targeted had I not interfered.
     
  17. TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK The Phazing Spider-Man
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    Wait, wait, wait, hold up.

    I redirected Zone and Piplup into each other.
    Zone targeted Piplup
    Piplup targeted Zone
    Ephe swapped abilities with me

    Drac claims to have targeted scattered

    Assuming Drac is being truthful in targeting scattered, who did you, scattered, target?
     
  18. scattered mind Competitive VG Forums Mod
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    Nothing. I did not act at all last night
     
  19. scattered mind Competitive VG Forums Mod
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    One more vote on me and I’ll be forced to use no lynch ability. Be smart guys.
     
  20. TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK The Phazing Spider-Man
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    Scumminess 100
     

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