It's not like we haven't seen something like this before, the mid season rotation to HGSS-on comes to mind.I don't think this was a good move to do only a month before Nationals. I think it would've been better to do after Worlds when next year's format gets officially announced. Even then, possibly it could be reprinted as an Ace Spec like Computer Search was.
On a side note I think it's hilarious how people are acting like this is the end of the world
Namely the thread "How do you build a deck without LTC"
"Is this even possible??"
Um this card has barely been around... decking out has never been an issue before.
How does Night March not needing to worry about their setup being disrupted make them LESS reckless?
In a Night March deck you only have to attack 3-6 times in total. You don't have to worry about decking yourself.
No.Are you saying Sycamore and N are skill-intensive cards?
LTC'ing or not is a much more interesting question, and sprint-through-your-deck-and-hope-you-don't-die is still fun to use.
Actually, I disagree with the running 4 LTCs.
I think that the deck still wouldn't run more then 2 LTC if it was errata'd right.
People want consistency, and even with VS seeker and ultra ball, people would lose so much consistency if they ran too many of it.
If it was a lost zone card, it would only be used, like you said, 4 times maximum. Sure, that sounds bad, but some games today have people using it every other turn. If that was an errata it would be a great solution!
You do realize many cards, including the ones you cited, are run maxed out in certain decks. Not all decks, but certain decks and since this debate is about a specific suite of decks: decks abusing Lysandre's Trump Card to rip through themselves, spam "tails fails" Items making their failure almost negligible and then throwing everything that isn't in play or your hand back into your deck so you can repeat the process next turn. Since we are dealing with specifics, pointing out that "some" decks wouldn't be able to have room for four copies doesn't mean that one of the decks we are concerned with would not be able to make room. It would be a tight fit, but I am sure that 1-3 more spaces could be created in your typical Seismitoad-EX lock deck that wishes to spam Item cards.
Except it doesn't solve the issue. It reduces it, but it doesn't actually solve. If it went to the Lost Zone after being played, whether it was two copies, three copies or four copies, the current problem decks would just make do with that amount. The most extreme issues wouldn't be as extreme, but you'd still have someone able to rip through their deck at least once with abandon before finally having to play more conservatively.
Except it does! Pokemon banned this card because it wasn't being spammed 2-3 times in a game, but upwards of 5-10 in a game.
Just the shuffling alone takes a minute to de-clump your discard.
And ripping through your deck is totally fine with me as long as you can only do it a maximum of 4 times per series, which probably be less considering decks wouldn't run more then 3 LTC.
I guess if you wanted a better version of the card, it could have been an Ace Spec, which is still retrievable, but much harder due to it being a 1-of item in a deck.
Well, I can see Night March making a huge comeback with this ban, also a YGO-like Banlist would be a bad idea IMHO due to the fact that Pokemon isn't as powerful as YGO is (Compare to Yveltal-EX vs. Five-Headed Dragon). I think the ban is a good idea due to the reason of it making battles last longer than they need too
Plasma? Plasma is no different, and that was run way before in a very similar format. The only difference is that people knew what to conserve. If anything it makes the field more skilled instead of allowing noobs to come in and wreck (if they have enough money to play), all LTC did was let new players go all wily nilly with their cards.I think it's mainly because people run decks that dig into the deck in order to work. When facing off with a bulky EX Deck, then odds are you're cleaning your deck out much faster than you are doing K.O.s With the format in it's current state, it's very hard not to do that. Too many cards chop the deck down, and the Pokemon running around in the meta are far too bulky and it leads to easy deck-outs without Trump Card because half of the good/useful stuff to replenish the deck from the discard pile have rotated out. As a result, players need to slow down or rely on more item cards in an item-lock heavy format. It can take a well timed item lock to now mess someone up because they were simply playing the game in a format that digs through the deck like no tomorrow.
This is why some people find Lysandre's Trump Card as well...a good Last Resort in case your deck is working faster than you expected it to. However, as it's Japanese name implies - it hasn't been used as a Last Resort, but rather a broken exploitable card. I'm hopeful that Ancient Origins will give us some replenishing methods. As it will definitely come in handy with the loss of Trump Card while still not making the tactic as broken as it could be.