OU: Strategy Counter that Pokemon (Round 30)

RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 22)

Equinox has won 4 points for his counter. Say what you may, I have fought and used Cursed Venusaur, and it is effective and viable if you work with it. Choosing this over One Approved's because this set has good chance to set up on Keldeo.

One Approved has won 2 points for his counter.

Professor Palutena has won 2 points for his counter.

Scattered Mind has won 2 points for his counter.

Cinesra has won 2 points for his counter.

Round 23
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Kyurem-Black @ Life Orb
EVs: 252 Atk / 56 SpA / 200 Spe
Lonely Nature
- Dragon Claw
- Fusion Bolt
- Ice Beam
- Iron Head

Round ends 3/14.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 23)

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Metagross @ Metagrossite
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpDef / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Zen Headbutt
- Ice Punch
- Earthquake

252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Fusion Bolt vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Metagross: 134-159 (44.5 - 52.8%) -- 80.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Dragon Claw vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Metagross: 81-95 (26.9 - 31.5%) -- 0.5% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock

252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Kyurem-B: 474-558 (121.2 - 142.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 23)

No Substitute? Is the Kyurem set weird or have I been away for too long? Probably the latter. Especially after seeing how hard this thing hits.

Also King Xerneas, take into account that the first Fusion Bolt will hit vanilla Metagross for greater damage. So, since in the turn you Mega Evolve Metagross retains the speed of its vanilla forme, Kyurem hits you twice in a row with Fusion Bolt and kills you in all (or almost all) scenarios.

252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Fusion Bolt vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Metagross: 152-179 (50.4 - 59.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Fusion Bolt vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Metagross: 134-159 (44.5 - 52.8%) -- 80.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Assuming the best case scenario (and vanilla Metagross is outsped by Kyurem even in Jolly nature with max Speed investment), you take 50.4% on the switch, plus 6.25% from SR, plus 44.5% next round when you Mega Evolve, for a total of 101.15% minimum. Before you attack.

I originally thought of posting Bulky SD Scizor, but the situation it causes is quite delicate and I didn't wanna push it. However, the bloody thing is a huge pain. Even CB Scizor doesn't score a guaranteed KO... that is, against a Kyurem without Life Orb. But this Kyurem is just the thing.

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Scizor @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Knock Off
- Superpower

252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Fusion Bolt vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 191-225 (55.6 - 65.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Kyurem-B: 360-426 (92 - 108.9%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

That 50% chance becomes 100% since Kyurem's HP drops to 90-91% after it attacks Scizor on the switch, due to LO recoil. That makes CB Scizor a guaranteed counter of this Kyurem set. Scizor is left at most with 32%, with the worst case scenario being 22%. However, being a revenge killer, CB Scizor can function much better than most other Pokemon at similar percentages and as such the sacrifice of so much health isn't as hindering.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 23)

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Aggron @ Aggronite
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Def / 240 SpD
Impish Nature
- Iron Head
- Ice Punch
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock

56 SpA Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 240 SpD Mega Aggron: 70-84 (20.3 - 24.4%) -- 6.2% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Fusion Bolt vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Mega Aggron: 82-97 (23.8 - 28.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Mega Aggron: 49-58 (14.2 - 16.8%) -- possible 6HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Mega Aggron: 32-39 (9.3 - 11.3%) -- possible 9HKO after Stealth Rock

0 Atk Mega Aggron Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Kyurem-B: 258-306 (65.9 - 78.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

56 SpA Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 240 SpD Aggron: 84-100 (24.4 - 29%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Fusion Bolt vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Aggron: 103-122 (29.9 - 35.4%) -- 91.9% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Aggron: 61-73 (17.7 - 21.2%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Aggron: 82-97 (23.8 - 28.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 23)

Here's something a little more boring viable for you folks ;p

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Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Spikes
- Leech Seed
- Gyro Ball
- Power Whip

0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Kyurem-B: 342-404 (87.4 - 103.3%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

The most Powerful thing Kyurem-B can do back:
56 SpA Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 118-140 (33.5 - 39.7%) -- 21.2% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Everything else is a 5/7/9HKO
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 23)

Wondered why the update hadn't gone up yet, and realized I saved it as a draft instead of posting.
Equinox has won 2 points for his counter. I love Ferrothorn, and this counters well, but Spikes are silly to have over Stealth Rock. (And the two attacks, but that could just be me.)

Chaos Jackal has won 4 points for his counter.

King Xerneas has won 0 points for his counter. You'd have to rely on them hitting minimum damage twice in a row in order to get a single attack off.

Scattered Mind has won 2 points for his counter. I would have chosen this as the winner, but I know Aggron is UU and am unsure of how well it works in OU.

Round 24
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Diancie @ Diancite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Moonblast
- Diamond Storm
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power Fire

Assume Diamond Storm raises defense every other use (starting with the first).
Round ends 3/21.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 24)

I get points for last round even though I didn't submit a counter? Sweet.
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Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 96 SpD
Calm Nature
- Moonblast
- Calm Mind
- Flamethrower
- Soft-Boiled

4 Atk Mega Diancie Diamond Storm vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Clefable: 174-205 (44.1 - 52%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Diancie: 91-108 (37.7 - 44.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

You can heal; it can't.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 24)

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Amoonguss @ Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 120 SpD
Bold Nature
- Spore
- Giga Drain
- Clear Smog
- Hidden Power [Fire]

252 SpA Mega Diancie Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 120 SpD Amoonguss: 94-111 (21.7 - 25.6%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

4 Atk Mega Diancie Diamond Storm vs. 252 HP / 136+ Def Amoonguss: 166-196 (38.4 - 45.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

252 SpA Mega Diancie Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 120 SpD Amoonguss: 120-142 (27.7 - 32.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

252 SpA Mega Diancie Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 120 SpD Amoonguss: 160-190 (37 - 43.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

0 SpA Amoonguss Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Diancie: 132-156 (54.7 - 64.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 24)

Mel Gibson Jirachi @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 220 SpD / 36 Spe
Careful Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Iron Head
- U-turn
- Body Slam

0+ Atk Jirachi Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Mega Diancie: 388-460 (160.9 - 190.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

At most Mega Diancie can do is 252 SpA Mega Diancie Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 220+ SpD Jirachi: 170-200 (42 - 49.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Mega Diancie Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 220+ SpD Jirachi: 112-134 (27.7 - 33.1%) -- 100% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

And at +1 Def:
0 Atk Jirachi Iron Head vs. +1 0 HP / 0- Def Mega Diancie: 232-280 (96.2 - 116.1%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 24)

Cinesra has won 2 points for his counter. Never been a fan of having to heal the moment you get out, I feel it causes a loss in momentum.

Scattered Mind has won 2 points for his counter. I love the calculations for this, but it is all the way down in RU.

Equinox has won 4 points for his counter. Can't argue with 4x weakness.

Round 25
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Raikou @ Leftovers
EVs: 32 HP / 252 SpA / 224 Spe
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Ice
- Extrasensory

Round ends 3/28.
Question for those playing: How long would you have this go on for? Do you think activity/interest is high enough to warrant more rounds?
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 25)

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Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Crunch
- Stone Edge
- Pursuit

252 SpA Raikou Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 91-108 (26.6 - 31.6%) -- 42.4% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock

+1 252 SpA Raikou Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 135-160 (39.5 - 46.9%) -- 36.3% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252 Atk Tyranitar Earthquake vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Raikou: 282-334 (85.7 - 101.5%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

CS Tyranitar outspeed Raikou :]
I guess it's not the perfect counter since there is that paralysis chance..?

To your question: I think there is enough activity to keep going and as far as it concerns me I am very interested in more rounds! I guess you can do it once in 2 weeks instead of two so there will be more time for others to think and post a counter.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 25)

Celebi @ Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Giga Drain
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power Fire
- Recover

252 SpA Life Orb Celebi Earth Power vs. 32 HP / 0 SpD Raikou: 213-252 (64.7 - 76.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Life Orb Celebi Leaf Storm vs. 32 HP / 0 SpD Raikou: 230-270 (69.9 - 82%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Raikou Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Celebi: 120-142 (35.1 - 41.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Raikou Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Celebi: 67-79 (19.6 - 23.1%) -- 16% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock

Recover lets you live

Concerning your question I would say give it a few more rounds, I'll certainly participate!
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 25)

Do more rounds. I may not join every single one, but I always look out for it.

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Excadrill @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- Rapid Spin
- Stealth Rock

252 SpA Raikou Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Excadrill: 57-68 (13.4 - 16%) -- possibly the worst move ever

+1 252 SpA Raikou Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Excadrill: 85-100 (20 - 23.5%) -- possible 6HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

4 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Earthquake vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Raikou: 356-420 (108.2 - 127.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Gotta admit I like the Bulky Spinner set. Self-explanatory I believe.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 25)

[animate]chansey[/animate] @Eviolite
Trait: Natural Cure
Bold (calm technically counters better but Chansey's so fat it doesn't really matter)
4 HP/252 Def/252 SpDef
~Seismic toss
~Wish
~Protect/Softboiled
~Toxic

You technically have a lot of options for the last slot with stuff like Stealth Rock and Aromatherapy, but I like Toxic the most, it neuters Raikou for the rest of the game, and it also poisons whatever switches in for free unless your opponent has like Scizor or something.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 25)

Scattered Mind has won 2 points for his counter.

Equinox has won 2 points for his counter.

Chaos Jackal has won 4 points for his counter.

One Approved has won 2 points for his counter.

Round 26
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Gallade @ Galladeite
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Zen Headbutt
- Substitute

Round ends 4/4.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 26)

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Clefable (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Wish
- Protect
- Heal Bell

0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Gallade: 174-206 (62.8 - 74.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Mega Gallade Zen Headbutt vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 138-163 (35.1 - 41.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 26)

No idea how to insert the ORAS images of pokemon here, sooooo..... XD And first post here, so here goes.

Sableye @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
252 Hp / 252 Def / 4 SpDef
Impish Nature

-Taunt
-Will-O-Wisp
-Recover
-Knock Off

Pretty simple, Mega Gallade can't hit Sableye, and if he switches out (which he must) his swap in takes either a Wisp or a Knock Off to the face. If for some reason he stays in, he dies slowly to Knock Off and it's own Sub Hp cost.

Although Mega Sableye is solid, and uses Mega Gallade as setup fodder, the key to this set is that it functions as both Prankster support that debilitates most of the physicals in the meta and most importantly reserves the Mega slot for something else, such as something with immediate presence, like Mega Metagross. Thought that would be something to point out since this is also about how the Pokemon in question functions on a team.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 26)

Cinesra has won 2 points for his counter.

Perfect Shot has won 4 points for his counter.

Round 27
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Starmie @ Life Orb
Ability: Analytic
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Psyshock
- Thunderbolt

Can't offer much thought into this round, so have a starfish. Happy Easter/Passover everybody!
Round ends 4/11.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 27)

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Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Spikes
- Leech Seed
- Gyro Ball
- Power Whip

252 SpA Life Orb Starmie Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 81-96 (23 - 27.2%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

0 Atk Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Starmie: 282-332 (108 - 127.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Even assuming a stronger Ice Beam Turn 1 due to Analytic, nothing really changes.
 
RE: Counter that Pokemon (Round 27)

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Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Ability: Download
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Defense / 252 SpDef
Calm Nature

- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Tri Attack
- Recover

252 SpA Life Orb Starmie Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Eviolite Porygon2: 103-122 (27.5 - 32.6%) -- 81.5% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Life Orb Starmie Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Porygon2: 99-117 (26.4 - 31.2%) -- 25.6% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock

+1 0 SpA Porygon2 Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Starmie: 232-274 (88.5 - 104.5%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

With the EVs given for Starmie, its Defense equals its Special Defense, so Download adds the +1 to Special Attack.

Analytic doesn't really change things, given it isn't boosting anything to an OHKO or anything close during the switch turn and due to Recover.
 
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