Counter That Pokemon! - Round 20

RE: Counter That Pokemon! - Round 19

Focus Blast>Thunderbolt? Hakay.

Jellicent @ Leftovers
252 HP/36 Def/220 Sp Def
Calm Nature
Water Absorb
- Scald
- Recover
- Taunt
- Shadow Ball

Jellicent is never 2HKOd (small chance to 3HKO) by Earth Power and can simply Recover off the damage, while Scald 2HKOs Nidoking.
 
RE: Counter That Pokemon! - Round 19

Let's try bringing this back. Chillarmy gets 2 points for being the only best counter to Nidoking. lol

Round 20!
[animate]latias[/animate] @Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
Timid nature
72 HP/184 SpAtk/252 Spe
~Draco Meteor
~Psyshock
~Surf
~Recover

assume the field is weatherless, post something that counters this pokemon!
 
RE: Counter That Pokemon! - Round 19

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
Relaxed Nature
252 HP/88 Def/168 SpD
Gyro Ball
Power Whip
Stealth Rock
Leach Seed

0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Latias: 168-198 (55.62 - 65.56%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Life Orb Latias Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 101-120 (28.69 - 34.09%) -- possible 4HKO

252 SpA Life Orb Latias Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 101-120 (28.69 - 34.09%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock

Ferrothorn may be 4HKO and 2HKO with Gyro Ball. Latias can Recover but will get KO'ed eventually.
 
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Empoleon @ Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
Calm nature
248 HP / 44 Def / 216 SpD
- Scald
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic
- Protect

DMeteor: 24.79 - 29.38%
Psyshock: 20.75 - 24.25%

Use Toxic and then alternate between Protect and Scald. You can also use this opportunity to setup Stealth Rock. Empoleon isn't exactly the best Pokemon to use, but it has a cool niche and isn't an obvious choice like Jirachi, Chansey, Ferrothorn, etc.
 
Meloetta @ Leftovers
Calm Nature
252 HP/252 SpD/4 SpA
Serene Grace

- Perish Song
- Psyshock
- Thunder Wave
- U-Turn

184 SpA Life Orb Latias Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Meloetta: 153-181 (37.87 - 44.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Meloetta can take Latias' hits fairly well and either paralyze her, rendering her virtually useless for the rest of the game, or use U-Turn to gain momentum.
 
Flys Gone gets 2 points for having the best counter
Unsheated gets 1 point
Chillarmy gets 1 point. I can't believe nobody mentioned Scizor.

Round 21

[animate]dragonite[/animate] @Lum Berry
Trait: Multiscale
Adamant nature
252 Atk/4 SpDef/252 Spe
~Dragon Dance
~Outrage
~Fire Punch
~Extremespeed

Have at it!
 
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@ Eviolite
Trait: Trace
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Def / 72 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

This is an absolute counter to Dragonite imo. It traces Multiscale and walls Dragonite to oblivion and back with Recover, KOing with Ice Beam when necessary. It can also cripple it with Thunder Wave after the Lum Berry is used up. Check the calcs.
Multiscale active:
+0 Outrage: 16.04%-19.25%
+0 Extremespeed: 7.21%-8.55%
+0 Fire Punch: 6.68%-8.02%
+1 Outrage: 24.06%-28.34%
+2 Outrage: 32.08%-37.96%
Multiscale off: about twice those calculations
Factor in SR at 12.5%

Even though a Porygon2 switching into a +0 Outrage on SR is a 3HKO, it can still Recover stall Outrage or just paralyze or KO a damaged Dragonite. Probably the most solid counter you could find.

~AoH
 
Heatran@Air Balloon
Flash Fire
Timid Nature
252 HP/252 SpD/4 SpA

- Stealth Rock
- Lava Plume
- Toxic
- Protect

Heatran can take any of Dragonite's attacks with relative comfort and either phaze or set up Rocks or burn etc. +1 Outrage 3HKO's
 
AoH gets 2 points. I don't think anything in the game is better for this job than Pory2.

Chillarmy gets no points because that Heatran can't touch dragonite. You didn't opt for Roar which means no Phazing, and you didn't opt for HP Ice which means it won't do any damage. The best you can do is use Toxic twice, during which time Dragonite sets up to +2 and then ruthlessly slaughters your Heatran as well as your dreams.

Next round!

Round 22:
[animate]scizor[/animate] @Metal Coat
Trait: Technician
Adamant nature
248 HP/252 Atk/8 SpDef
~U-turn
~Bullet Punch
~Swords Dance
~Superpower

The goal of this set is to bluff choice band and then set up at the appropriate time and demolish things. Just in case any of you are wondering why it's holding Metal Coat and not Life Orb or something.
 
This Scizor must be tough if there aren't any responses to it.
I had some trouble with it too since any poke with some bulk and a fire type attack can be Checks, but true counters, Pokemon that can come in on the switch, take stealth rock damage then proceed to take them out is difficult for Scizor.

In the end, I went with this:

Bulky Dancer Volcarona
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@ Left Overs
Timid Nature
252 HP/240 Def/ 16 Spd
-Fiery Dance
-Bug Buzz
-Quiver Dance
-Roost

So yeah, I know its risky because Stealth Rock is up, but even at 50% Scizor can only hope for a 3HKO, one of them being used up when Volcarona comes in on the switch.

So what you can basically do is either sponge up 2 hits and revenge with a Fiery Dance, OR you can use Roost to play it safe and proceed to attack after.The only thing that bothers me with this Scizor is that it has U-turn, which is smart since Super Power only weakens you. Still Volcarona can outspeed it, so long as it doesn't switch out.
 
Physically defensive Arcanine is the best hard counter to this Scizor that I can think of. With this set up, Arcanine is only 4HKO after Stealth Rock, and he is also still a solid physical wall for many other pokemon (Anything that isn't Terrakion with Stone Edge, and anything that doesn't have a strong Earthquake or Stone Edge). His huge movepool gives him great coverage even with only three attacking moves, and with the high BP of his moves he still hits hard. He could also utilize Will-O-Wisp to cripple anything switching in when he forces something out. Morning Sun allows for reliable recovery, especially with sun support.

This is the set:

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@ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EV's: 252 Hp, 252 Defense, 4 Attack
Nature: Impish (+Defense, -SpA)
- Flare Blitz
- Extreme Speed
- Morning Sun
- Will-O-Wisp

This set makes him the most effective physical wall that he can be, and a very effective hard counter to this Scizor.
Some Damage Calcs For Scizor with zero boosts (at -1 from intimidate):
Scizor Superpower vs. this Arcanine: 20.8-24.73%
U-Turn does 9.11-10.93%
Bullet Punch does 9.37-11.19%
Pursuit does 10.41-12.5%
With a Swords Dance (at +1 from intimidate)
Superpower does 31.2-37.01%
That is the only relevant calc for this Scizor's set.
Damage Calc For Flare Blitz:
163.95-193.02%, Arcanine is faster than Scizor and will always OHKO.

As you can see, this Arcanine will be at best 3HKO by Scizor if he has a boost, and he will be a relevant counter or check for many other physical attackers in OU, despite being a UU pokemon.
 
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