Noivern is a cool Pokemon
I'm only an average Charizard enjoyer but dang those are good arts. 10/10.
not sure of the one you mean.
interesting, for sure.New alternate art versions of , , and have been posted to social media, presumably from VSTAR Universe (or an associated product). We're not sure wherewww.pokebeach.com
Terrible quality, but it's Mewtwo's perspective on the same fight.
lol, did anybody say that?how dare they make more cherryzord cards! i am outraged! i am boycotting pokemon until they stop printing charzaerds!
There are dozens of charizard collections at my local toy store, so many that they are on sale at the moment. Anecdotal, sure, but do you have any evidence to the contrary?products with Zards in them wouldn't fly off the shelves like they do,
there's very little democratic imperative in a free market, honestly. I agree that products with charizard in them are opened more than some others, but I don't think they are opened more than all other products, or even noticeably more than most products. demand for Charizard is just as likely a product of secondary market factors, which similarly only a small bubble of the fandom even participates in. Considering how many games there have been, how many sets there are, and how frequently Charizard is printed, the 'mon is undoubtedly overrepresented compared to other Pokémon. Saying this is somehow inevitable, because that's how the market works, is an extraordinary claim requiring its own set of extraordinary evidence. None of this makes bringing it up pointless or senile behaviour.I am also not saying people can't have their preferences and individually dislike the abundance of Zards, my gripe is with people not being mature enough to understand that the market is the most utter democratic and impersonal mechanism there is, they have to understand that if the market, I.E the people, demand Zard cards and let that demand be known to the company by buying anything with one potentially inside, them whining against it is futile.
Thats very true what your saying. I was saying about too how charizard is not really a necessity to play the game and how nobody getting it doesnt really affect anything, but some people just like to complain about nothing it seems like. Also mentioned how charizard is the most overrated pokemon in general and people just need to stop buying the products in it since the reason the Pokemon company keeps making these things is because thats all people ever want to buy now a days.@fleshrum @Pokemon1982
There are some subtle but important things to take note in this whole argument. First, people in the forum often seem to believe that our bubble's feelings are representative of the general public's, they very often are not. Everyone talks about "saturation", there's no saturation whatsoever, there's only discontent from a infinitely small but vocal minority from our small pokebeach bubble, if there were "saturation", products with Zards in them wouldn't fly off the shelves like they do, let alone trigger people even on this forum to complain that they won't be able to put their hands on the product because the demand for the product is too high, so saying there is Zard saturation is just objectively false.
I am also not saying people can't have their preferences and individually dislike the abundance of Zards, my gripe is with people not being mature enough to understand that the market is the most utter democratic and impersonal mechanism there is, they have to understand that if the market, I.E the people, demand Zard cards and let that demand be known to the company by buying anything with one potentially inside, them whining against it is futile. Note that I'm not saying it is forbidden, let alone wrong, just that it doesn't accomplish anything, and in my very subjective opinion, just clogs the discussions up with the same tired narratives over and over again, getting very tiresome to go through any post involving anything Zard related around here. So just as they are allowed to complain, I'm allowed to think this particular thing is not something worth investing energy into and that 95% of the takes are usually disconnected from reality and childlike, and we can all have our particular views and that's fine.
Its not poorly thought out since they always sell out of their products and thats their whole goal. If the products just sat on the shelve and they had excess or they were poorly selling, then that would be bad, but no collector wants to admit that. Pokemon does not care if every single person gets their luxury products, since thats what these premium collections are, just luxury reprints. They dont print alot of those premium collections since they are mostly fancy products that are made to make lots of money and arent designed for mass production. Nobody needs these new products, theres just people who think they need to have everything that Pokemon makes for very cheap and thats just not realistic.I collect entire sets including the promos and I have since 1999. TPCi shoving Charizard into every other set is tired and contrary to my goals as a collector. There's no hypocrisy there.
It also reveals their strategy is poorly thought out. They want this premium product to sell, so they put three Charizard chase cards in at a time where the secondary market for anything Charizard is out of control. The product is immediately scalped for well over 2x the MSRP. It's hard to say right now but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see each of the promos selling for the cost of the box itself. Who wins? Nobody. TPCi doesn't get as much money as they want (or could feasibly get to be honest!). Casual collectors get nothing. Scalpers sit on product for the rest of their natural lives. My SWSH promo set is incomplete unless I feel like paying price manipulated sellers on TCGplayer for the cards. Losses all around.
Special Delivery Charizard's rollout being a lottery system despite it being a single card they could have printed to the moon while it also being an incentive to drive sales to their online store especially showed they don't know what they're doing. A shiny Charizard being forced into every special set every year when they're often impossible to find in the wild (partially due to Charizardmania) helps no one. Charizard is just an unavoidable entity that makes every release that includes it a nightmare, whether you collect Charizard or not.
You're right, my bad, the free market mechanism of prices and supply X demand are indeed superior to a democratic one, it's not a win/lose, all or nothing situation. If more people like something there will be more demand and more supply for it, but other fringe preferences will still be met with supply, even if in smaller quantities. If the supply of cards was strictly democratic, then if 51% of people liked Zards, the other 49% would be shit out of luck, which doesn't happen in reality. And again, Zard is only "overrepresented" as much as the demand for it is bigger than for the other stuff. It's like I already said, the extremely small sample size represented in this forum can complain all they want, out there the demand for it is high, and it will keep selling product, so they will keep making it, that's not a moral or value judgement thing, that's just concrete reality.
eBay or any local card shop. Alot of the people complaining have no concept of EV, which is short for expected value. The expected value of the contents inside these products is high, hence why its never MSRP. 3 alt art charizards, 16 packs and the accessories isnt ever going to only be worth $120. I really wish pokemon would get rid of MSRP like MTG since its just giving people false hope of what the market is supposed to be.Where are you guys pre-ordering this thing? I've looked everywhere online and can't even find a place to find them. I've kept an Eye on pokecenter with no avail. And you guys are saying people already have them marked way above MSRP. Where do I go to even buy them?
Yeah that's just factsGrab your pitchforks! Grab your torches! Say what you will about Charizard, how outrageous this whole thing is, whatever par-for-the-course whatnot happens anytime this Pokemon gets mentioned.
But you can't deny that these have some fantastic artwork.