Bluffing: What's Legal and What's Not
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I don't remember where I found it (I REALLY wish I did), but I saw somewhere on an official site that making your opponent change their decision because of a bluff is not allowed. E.G. I can tell you're about to use a power and pull a card up out of my hand, obviously trying to make you think it's a power spray, and you decide not to use the power, is illegal. I know it's a bad example, but I read something like that somewhere.
But, like espeonrox said, messing with their own decisions is fine, but you can't change a decision that they've already made. I know this is all unclear and it's a fine line, but I believe it is there.
Maybe you should re-post this in the rulings forum.
But, like espeonrox said, messing with their own decisions is fine, but you can't change a decision that they've already made. I know this is all unclear and it's a fine line, but I believe it is there.
Maybe you should re-post this in the rulings forum.
I know this have been discussed before...
*Looks on the Gym*
Here: Bluffing?
I´m pretty sure that somewhere there says what´s legal and what´s not.
I myself think that bluffing (in the sense of, for example, searching a Dusknoir/Duskull to make the opponent limit his/her bench without playing it) is an strategic play of the game. I´m sure, though, about pretending to have a card you don´t directly. I´ve read that a player stares at a card in his hand (Energy) while playing SPs to make the opponent think it´s a Power Spray.
*Looks on the Gym*
Here: Bluffing?
I´m pretty sure that somewhere there says what´s legal and what´s not.
I myself think that bluffing (in the sense of, for example, searching a Dusknoir/Duskull to make the opponent limit his/her bench without playing it) is an strategic play of the game. I´m sure, though, about pretending to have a card you don´t directly. I´ve read that a player stares at a card in his hand (Energy) while playing SPs to make the opponent think it´s a Power Spray.
I think that there's definitely an ethical aspect to it, as in how far is too far in your mind? I've always built decks to illicit overconfidence in people (Again, Burmy... XD) or cause them to underthink a situation through searches and reveals in order to secure a win.
In all, I think bluffing and misdirection are OK, however, flat out lying about game stats, effects or abilities is entirely out of the question. Taking advantage of someone's newbishness or ignorance of a card effect is not cool.
I.E. It's OK for a player to bluff around a power spray, like in the example given in the Pokegym thread. This is a good play in my opinion, it's using the information presented within the game's system to your advantage and playing a move or two ahead of your opponent.
In all, I think bluffing and misdirection are OK, however, flat out lying about game stats, effects or abilities is entirely out of the question. Taking advantage of someone's newbishness or ignorance of a card effect is not cool.
I.E. It's OK for a player to bluff around a power spray, like in the example given in the Pokegym thread. This is a good play in my opinion, it's using the information presented within the game's system to your advantage and playing a move or two ahead of your opponent.
There nothing wrong with bluffing, its just the strategic methodology of the game, witholding information about the state of play such as seeing that your opponent has made a misplay in your favour and not making him aware is illegal but it is also not bluffing. a bluff requires you to make your opponent to think you do or don't have the a specific card and using there assumption play into your hands, witholding information is lying not bluffing.
well here is a good example:this guy in worlds got disqualified for having a duskinoir with him whenever he went to a match and everybody who played him thoght that he played duskinior and that was the translation and he didn't have it in his deck.
i dont know where along the lines of cheating that is but its just plain wrong.
i dont know where along the lines of cheating that is but its just plain wrong.
jade89 said:
Your allowed to have personla luck charms around your play area. He simply could have stated it was a luckcharm.
Weavile, they won't fall for it though. They will more in likely ask you to show it to them.
Personally I think bluffing seems alright to me. In the instance where you draw a card that you never plan to use and show it to your opponent. Anything verbal like saying that you run a ___ deck when you don't I think is pushing it.
You can have whatever cards in your deck you want and do whatever you want with them, although verbally saying things like "I have powerspray and aren't afraid to use it" is kinda wrong.
You can have whatever cards in your deck you want and do whatever you want with them, although verbally saying things like "I have powerspray and aren't afraid to use it" is kinda wrong.
The Gym was talking about if saying something like "Oh shoot" and failing your Premier Ball to fool you opponent into using the Power Spray you know they have.
though personolly I think that would be a dirty trick, it would still help you and even if it was ageinst the rule, it would be impossible to prove. Once when I was at Worlds my opponent cheated and said that I took too many prize cards. So he called the judge over and they looked and his discard pile. Sure enough, I had taken one more prize then Pokemon there, but there were 2 NM's there. Both him and myself knew what he shuffled back into his deck, but he lied to try to buy himself more time. It didn't work because he had no way of proving what he put into his deck.
That may not be the best example, but my point is that some stuff can't be proven.
though personolly I think that would be a dirty trick, it would still help you and even if it was ageinst the rule, it would be impossible to prove. Once when I was at Worlds my opponent cheated and said that I took too many prize cards. So he called the judge over and they looked and his discard pile. Sure enough, I had taken one more prize then Pokemon there, but there were 2 NM's there. Both him and myself knew what he shuffled back into his deck, but he lied to try to buy himself more time. It didn't work because he had no way of proving what he put into his deck.
That may not be the best example, but my point is that some stuff can't be proven.
I remember I used to bluff kinda back then. I was playing Gengar (fainting Spell). I had a hand of like 9 cards. But only one was a t/s/s. So I dropped that on purpose, just to ease him into using polterguiest. Is that wrong?