RE: What will the new "best" deck be with PA?
So you're saying a few years ago GG was not the BDIF, in this format there is not BDIF though.
So you're saying a few years ago GG was not the BDIF, in this format there is not BDIF though.
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RE: What will the new "best" deck be with PA?
Turbo Shuppet Holds to Tomb which will most likely become a solid card coming into cities. I personally think gengar will cause alittle bit of an uproar but then people will learn to play against it (If they havent already) and gengar will fold to everything once again.
Turbo Shuppet Holds to Tomb which will most likely become a solid card coming into cities. I personally think gengar will cause alittle bit of an uproar but then people will learn to play against it (If they havent already) and gengar will fold to everything once again.
RE: What will the new "best" deck be with PA?
This is THE stupidest thing i have heard in a long time. =p
Deck choice is arguably THE most important thing to get right. Being able to play a deck that can beat the metagame and have a good list is SO important. No matter how well you play a deck, if it's not good, you won't win with it.
Also, RE: Gyarados being fast - Compared to the metagame, Gyarados is slow. Pokemon like Luxray and Machamp can start attacking by T1/T2. Gyarados almost always has to wait until at least Turn 3. Doesn't sound like much, but it is considerably slower. Doesn't mean the deck isn't viable, I am just clarifying for people that "speed" almost always refers to how fast a deck sets up initially, not its damage output or its recovery abilities.
shadoworganoid said:
This is THE stupidest thing i have heard in a long time. =p
Deck choice is arguably THE most important thing to get right. Being able to play a deck that can beat the metagame and have a good list is SO important. No matter how well you play a deck, if it's not good, you won't win with it.
Also, RE: Gyarados being fast - Compared to the metagame, Gyarados is slow. Pokemon like Luxray and Machamp can start attacking by T1/T2. Gyarados almost always has to wait until at least Turn 3. Doesn't sound like much, but it is considerably slower. Doesn't mean the deck isn't viable, I am just clarifying for people that "speed" almost always refers to how fast a deck sets up initially, not its damage output or its recovery abilities.
RE: What will the new "best" deck be with PA?
Okay, you have to use maybe just a A LITTLE commen scense with that statement. OBVIOUSLY, if your deck has a random assortment of mix matched cards, you could be the best player in the WORLD and not win. DUH, I know that.
What im saying is, take Gyarados deck. Its a good deck, we all know that. However, just because your playing that deck, doesnt mean you WILL win every game or even as much as you hope for. There is no such thing as a "Perfect" deck. That is impossible.
Yes your right, for ANY deck, ANY GOOD deck, a certain amount of skill is nessisary to win. However, just because you have lots of skill or a good deck, does not mean you WILL win.
To bring this back into context, the next best deck in format is impossible to tell. Luck plays a major factor into that. Crappy opening hands are ALLWAYS POSSIBLE. In which case, even the best player in the world will lose.
You need 3 things to win.
1. A good Deck.
2. Skill.
3. A fair amount of luck.
Why Luck? Why not? The odds of drawing a card you need, is all up to chance. Or LUCK. (Unless you have a search card)
Okay, you have to use maybe just a A LITTLE commen scense with that statement. OBVIOUSLY, if your deck has a random assortment of mix matched cards, you could be the best player in the WORLD and not win. DUH, I know that.
What im saying is, take Gyarados deck. Its a good deck, we all know that. However, just because your playing that deck, doesnt mean you WILL win every game or even as much as you hope for. There is no such thing as a "Perfect" deck. That is impossible.
Yes your right, for ANY deck, ANY GOOD deck, a certain amount of skill is nessisary to win. However, just because you have lots of skill or a good deck, does not mean you WILL win.
To bring this back into context, the next best deck in format is impossible to tell. Luck plays a major factor into that. Crappy opening hands are ALLWAYS POSSIBLE. In which case, even the best player in the world will lose.
You need 3 things to win.
1. A good Deck.
2. Skill.
3. A fair amount of luck.
Why Luck? Why not? The odds of drawing a card you need, is all up to chance. Or LUCK. (Unless you have a search card)
RE: What will the new "best" deck be with PA?
About the whole fossil thing it really depends on what fossil your using lets say kabutops you start w/dome fossil/md attach a fighting energy evolve w/rock reaction then use kabuto's/md pokepower ancient guidance to get that fossil and place it on your bench therefore you can lay down the fossils you need allowing you to lay down that trainer card so really if you vs. gastly if you start w/a fossil you'll be okay but if you don't good luck and dialga g same thing
About the whole fossil thing it really depends on what fossil your using lets say kabutops you start w/dome fossil/md attach a fighting energy evolve w/rock reaction then use kabuto's/md pokepower ancient guidance to get that fossil and place it on your bench therefore you can lay down the fossils you need allowing you to lay down that trainer card so really if you vs. gastly if you start w/a fossil you'll be okay but if you don't good luck and dialga g same thing
RE: What will the new "best" deck be with PA?
But Like Everyone says, it Folds to Tomb. Fossils have never been good and it is because it is too easily countered. To bad cause once the deck gets going its pretty sick.
Lost Cyclone said:
But Like Everyone says, it Folds to Tomb. Fossils have never been good and it is because it is too easily countered. To bad cause once the deck gets going its pretty sick.
RE: What will the new "best" deck be with PA?
I disagree. It is not that good. I mean, Locktops is OK at best, but way too slow. The new Kabutops is decent, but again not great, loses alot of steam late game.
Dr.empoleon said:
I disagree. It is not that good. I mean, Locktops is OK at best, but way too slow. The new Kabutops is decent, but again not great, loses alot of steam late game.
RE: What will the new "best" deck be with PA?
I dont understand how it loses Steam late game. With Marley, Fossil Evac, and VS seeker you have around 14 turns of hitting for 70 and by then in sure you win, or you lose. so its not like it will lose because it cant get fossils.
I dont understand how it loses Steam late game. With Marley, Fossil Evac, and VS seeker you have around 14 turns of hitting for 70 and by then in sure you win, or you lose. so its not like it will lose because it cant get fossils.
RE: What will the new "best" deck be with PA?
Wow, this is like, what... The 5th one of these threads? As I've said before, only time will tell what's gonna be good, we'll probably all be surprised. Still, I voted for Fossils because that's what I'm running.
Wow, this is like, what... The 5th one of these threads? As I've said before, only time will tell what's gonna be good, we'll probably all be surprised. Still, I voted for Fossils because that's what I'm running.
RE: What will the new "best" deck be with PA?
I actually agree with that. Just you actually said in your other post that decks don't matter at all. but yes, luck and skill are obviously huge factors in terms of doing well at a tournament.
shadoworganoid said:
I actually agree with that. Just you actually said in your other post that decks don't matter at all. but yes, luck and skill are obviously huge factors in terms of doing well at a tournament.
RE: What will the new "best" deck be with PA?
And even then, you have Omastar that can be waiting to come in and be dealing plenty of damage with all the fossils in the discard. I'm not saying fossils will be near the best, but they're certainly up there.Dr.empoleon said:
RE: What will the new "best" deck be with PA?
I can also agree with this. I missplay ALOT, and thats y i lose most of my games But im starting to pay more attention, but then u get called 4 stalling xD, but yea, Pokemon has gotton really big and has alot of rules, but its all good, i like the rules, keep ppl from being dunb xD
Ariadosguy said:
I can also agree with this. I missplay ALOT, and thats y i lose most of my games
But im starting to pay more attention, but then u get called 4 stalling xD, but yea, Pokemon has gotton really big and has alot of rules, but its all good, i like the rules, keep ppl from being dunb xD
RE: What will the new "best" deck be with PA?
That's why there's Omastar. It gains steam late game as Kabutops loses it. You're already gonna have Helix Fossil in the deck, so why not add 1 or 2 Omastar and rare candy/omanyte?Darkartisan said:
RE: What will the new "best" deck be with PA?
My money's on Gengar or Salamence, but my personal favorite is Gengar. Tank with a Dusknoir (Promonoir is my favorite), activate Ectoplasm, then bring in Gengar Lv. X to finish the job. It's hard to bead that spread, especially if you throw in Metagross SV on the bench.
My money's on Gengar or Salamence, but my personal favorite is Gengar. Tank with a Dusknoir (Promonoir is my favorite), activate Ectoplasm, then bring in Gengar Lv. X to finish the job. It's hard to bead that spread, especially if you throw in Metagross SV on the bench.
RE: What will the new "best" deck be with PA?
Yeah, I really don't think this set will have much of an impact on the format.
Yeah, I really don't think this set will have much of an impact on the format.
RE: What will the new "best" deck be with PA?
^^I agree mostly, Salamence could become a decent deck, but this set doesn't really introduce many game changers or staple cards except for maybe expert belt, for all of those people who like taking high-risk, high-reward chances with their decks.
On a related topic, Having an Arceus v. Arceus showdown with ultimate zone in play could possibly be the most fun match I can think of.
^^I agree mostly, Salamence could become a decent deck, but this set doesn't really introduce many game changers or staple cards except for maybe expert belt, for all of those people who like taking high-risk, high-reward chances with their decks.
On a related topic, Having an Arceus v. Arceus showdown with ultimate zone in play could possibly be the most fun match I can think of.
RE: What will the new "best" deck be with PA?
Sally will affect it but that's not a giant impact.
Sally will affect it but that's not a giant impact.
RE: What will the new "best" deck be with PA?
Well, it's hard to make predictions after prerelease; I can see how taking three (potentially four if the defender is equipped with expert belt) prizes with Sally X can be appealing to some players, myself included...
Well, it's hard to make predictions after prerelease; I can see how taking three (potentially four if the defender is equipped with expert belt) prizes with Sally X can be appealing to some players, myself included...
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