“Black Bolt” and “White Flare” Special Sets Revealed in English, Will Be First-Ever Dual Sets!

Alex Hesketh said:
I saw it differently. If they were able to tackle the biggest roster any other gen is more than feasible now. I guess newer ones would have to ponder what to do with regional forms, pokemon that arent from the region but are from the gen, etc. but still
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you could definitely do a hoenn "202", i suppose, or a gen 2 "251" (i would not recommend this given it's going to contain the entirety of 151 again), but beyond that generations start to have less and less of their own identity and feature comically bloated regional rosters so it wouldn't have the same appeal of assembling the lineup from a particular game and would just look like a needlessly bloated version of a regular set.
 
oh yeah. whoops.
I will say I still find it weird that Landorus is the unloved middle child, but maybe they're planning to make him exclusive to Pokémon Gray (or Grey, if TPCi forgets how America works).
 
LOTTEN said:
you could definitely do a hoenn "202", i suppose, or a gen 2 "251" (i would not recommend this given it's going to contain the entirety of 151 again), but beyond that generations start to have less and less of their own identity and feature comically bloated regional rosters so it wouldn't have the same appeal of assembling the lineup from a particular game and would just look like a needlessly bloated version of a regular set.
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I don’t see a problem with giving stand alone cards to evolutions/pre-evolutions tbqh
No offense, but I feel like people use this excuse because it disturbed their sense of neatness (and I really do get that), but I wouldn’t mind them doing those with some weird special versions or just not at all. You can get the pre-evolution from any other set, they just have to make sure their is one avaible in the current rotation.
 
tol89 said:
I don’t see a problem with giving stand alone cards to evolutions/pre-evolutions tbqh
No offense, but I feel like people use this excuse because it disturbed their sense of neatness (and I really do get that), but I wouldn’t mind them doing those with some weird special versions or just not at all. You can get the pre-evolution from any other set, they just have to make sure their is one avaible in the current rotation.
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you may not, but the people who design the sets take special care, and as far as i know almost always have taken special care to ensure that every pokemon card can be played using cards from the set you pull them from.

moreover, there's a bit of a misunderstanding of the point. the point is that every generation after 5 (and 5 after they buckled in bw2) has a significant, if not overbearing presence of previous generation pokemon practically crowding out anything actually new they came up with. the galar pokedex for example has 400 pokemon in it. if you took out everything that wasn't a generation 8 pokemon, you would be left with a pile that you couldn't make a set out of that actually represents sword and shield as a game well at all.
 
LOTTEN said:
you may not, but the people who design the sets take special care, and as far as i know almost always have taken special care to ensure that every pokemon card can be played using cards from the set you pull them from.

moreover, there's a bit of a misunderstanding of the point. the point is that every generation after 5 (and 5 after they buckled in bw2) has a significant, if not overbearing presence of previous generation pokemon practically crowding out anything actually new they came up with. the galar pokedex for example has 400 pokemon in it. if you took out everything that wasn't a generation 8 pokemon, you would be left with a pile that you couldn't make a set out of that actually represents sword and shield as a game well at all.
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For one tho, these would be special sets. So they could stray from that.
Secondly, these sets wouldn’t count the game Pokédex (so no 400 for Galar) but the actual Pokémon introduced in that generation. So its not true that there is an overbearing presence of Pomeon from previous generations.
 
tol89 said:
For one tho, these would be special sets. So they could stray from that.
Secondly, these sets wouldn’t count the game Pokédex (so no 400 for Galar) but the actual Pokémon introduced in that generation. So its not true that there is an overbearing presence of Pomeon from previous generations.
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a set consisting of only generation 8 pokemon etc would suck, is what i'm saying, both because it's a kinda shoddy roster spread of totally disconnected creatures when you take out the dex filler and because it doesn't really represent the game anymore (especially when you consider hisui-introduced pokemon). this idea of doing a full dex tcg set only works for gens 1 and 5 because they're the only generations with dexes that belong entirely to them. the gimmick would be forced and lame literally anywhere else, and it's likely why we wont see it again after this.
 
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They could have done Gen 3 if they really wanted to, even with the presence of 2 pre-evolutions (doesn’t matter for the TCG with how they do babies now) and some older Pokemon in RS (the bulk of which got quarantined to the Hoenn Safari Zone). But yes I agree that them jumping right to gen 5 means we won't get any other sets like this.
 
LOTTEN said:
a set consisting of only generation 8 pokemon etc would suck, is what i'm saying, both because it's a kinda shoddy roster spread of totally disconnected creatures when you take out the dex filler and because it doesn't really represent the game anymore (especially when you consider hisui-introduced pokemon). this idea of doing a full dex tcg set only works for gens 1 and 5 because they're the only generations with dexes that belong entirely to them. the gimmick would be forced and lame literally anywhere else, and it's likely why we wont see it again after this.
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What? If anything newer generations have made a better representation of the region itself through their pokemon. Alola Galar Paldea all do that better than Hoenn like easily. And idk might be just be me but the regional dex like the ingame dex isn’t as engraved in my memory nor is as relevant as the Pokémon introduced each generation. Yes Hisui make things awkward, regional forms that don’t include entire lines, or simply the myriad of new evolution that Sinnoh brought but I don’t think it’s that big of an obstacle for them specially if this set sees some sort of relative success.
 
i love unova but saying it and kanto are the only ones with solid dexes when unovas dex is 50% filler that only exists because they couldnt put other pokemon in the game is very funny. And I'm saying this as someone who likes those filler mons more than the "good" dex entries on average!! Alola Galar and Paldea have much stronger new entries imo
 
bakugames said:
i love unova but saying it and kanto are the only ones with solid dexes when unovas dex is 50% filler that only exists because they couldnt put other pokemon in the game is very funny. And I'm saying this as someone who likes those filler mons more than the "good" dex entries on average!! Alola Galar and Paldea have much stronger new entries imo
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even if i entertain whatever it is you mean by "filler" here, definitionally a new monster design is less "filler" than a recycled one.
 
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