Finished Mafia LI: Senate Subterfuge~Game Over!
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Justify this, @bbninjas. Looks like a bastardisation of posts to prove a point, to me, which is a mafia tactic.
Just to clarify, when you said "Even if it's not bbninjas", were you speculating that bbninjas helped me come up with defense or something along those lines? I made this post on my own, but looking at other games, I think I see why it might look like something from bb.
Indeed. What did you mean? :x
I can kinda see where you're coming from, but that wasn't my gut reaction reading the post initially. It sounded more like trying to stop discussion than trying to stop rolefishing.
A lot of his reasons for pursuing Lele have also been my reasons, which have been reasons that you've disagreed with.
I'm always distantly worried when one veteran starts agreeing with me and nobody else does because it's turned out to be pocketing more than once before, but I don't have a problem with any of scattered's reasoning so far. What in particular strikes you as a wrong reason to go after Lele?What're your thoughts on jplap or Gekki or literally anybody else? I feel like your last few posts have been attempts to appear like you're contributing to discussion but they don't really add anything.
I was just about to get to that. I would have posted earlier, but I had work and I got trapped in a grocery store as my town was flooded.
TOTAL_EPICNESS
TE has been behaving quite sporadic. He is essentially wagoning everyone's leads, and is just being chaotic.
Here is a general sample of his posts:
--Casts this vote right after Luis votes for me
--This one is my favorite
--Goes off of the "One man out of five" quote I pushed earlier and parrots Celever's "Sux" verb
--Bouncing off of posts I made about Jplap's role
--Votes as soon as he sees SM make a vote on me
He's being quite chaotic here. It looks like really eager town, but it also might be newbie scum trying to find a way to make chaos. It's a common thing for scum teams to feed off of town-town disputes, right?
Also, after the "rolehunting" I did, he made this post:
I never mentioned an independent third faction here. What was he talking about? Am I missing a quote from this context (let me know if that's the case)? Is he just glancing at the thread, or is he mixing up conversations with someone else?
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GEKKI
Most of what I speculated fed off of Gekki's lead in the beginning:
For Gekki's "Distancing" post,
I read it as "Stop talking about the claiming mechanics, people already should know it and it isn't useful to thread discussion". When I read it like this, it kinda stung, as I was able to talk about game mechanics in the prior game all I wanted and barely anyone said a word. I thought I was helping people, not hurting their discussion or annoying them
Still, the response is odd for another reason. This message opened up a whole new window of discussion, and would have made it much harder for Jplap to respond to Gekki in the first place. Why ask it?
I haven't played much with Gekki, or had too many serious conversations with him either. I'm not sure if he gets easily annoyed, or he's in fact trying to do something else. For now, I see this just as a frustrated response to my interrupting dialogue, and Gekki was trying to pressure Jplap with a contradiction with his behavior.
It would at least help explain his startled response when posed with a FoS when accused of distancing himself from "fellow scum", as it was a completely unexpected consequence.
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JPlap
His behavior started off similar to TE's, but he didn't go down the same path of wagoning that TE did. Gekki already posted about the contradiction of his behavior vs. the claim of his ability, and I've already posted on how the ability might activate onDeath.
His interactions have mostly been defenses, and they haven't spelled much out in terms of alignment as far as I can see. I can't say too much about him for now, rather than
...He didn't care to read even a little bit back :V
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JABBERWOCK
I hate to be mentioning this for the sake of OMGUS, but your responses have kinda been alarmingly assertive all of this time.
In the last game, you were cohost, and that comes with a certain amount of prestige. This has made an impression on me to respect what you say, and acknowledge things you point out to be common knowledge. But I fear that you might be taking advantage of this. Your tone in these posts make it quite persuasive that you definitely know what you are talking about:
This is why I asked the question:
After reading everything you said, you make it sound like these things are things so obvious, everyone should be able to see them. I even found it hard to consider that another person could see my post in a different manner than yours.
All this said, you control quite an amount of assertive power with your rhetoric. I wouldn't fathom it being very hard for you to lead a lynch on someone at all, and this could be quite the asset for scum team.
Vracken
Just a Ghost of the Past
It is a vote count time finally. I once again apologize for the delay
acetrainer samwise (0):Professor_jplap
@Professor_jplap (5):TOTAL_EPICNESS, Jadethepokemontrainer, bbninjas, GekkisaiDaiNi, Jabberwock, Acetrainer_Samwise, Jabberwock
TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK (1):Jabberwock, double o squirtle
Jabberwock (0):TOTAL_EPICNESS, Celever
Luxinity (1): mordacazir
TOTAL_EPICNESS (0):Professor_jplap, Jabbewock, double o squirtle, TOTAL_EPICNESS
double o squirtle (0):TOTAL_EPICNESS, Celever, TOTAL_EPICNESS
Tapu Lele (3): Luispipe8,TOTAL_EPICNESS, Jabberwock, Jabberwock, scattered mind, TOTAL_EPICNESS
GM Draclord (0):Acetrainer_Samwise
Dusk Form Lycanroc (1): Celever
Abstaining
@Dusk Form Lycanroc @GM DracLord @Luxinity @mirdo @OshaCraft360 @PMJ @Professor_jplap @Tapu Lele @TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK
Additionally, cautioned for inactivity (fewer than 1 post)
@Dusk Form Lycanroc @Luxinity @OshaCraft360
This is not a warning yet, but I would advise you to start posting before it becomes one ^w^
acetrainer samwise (0):
@Professor_jplap (5):
TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK (1):
Jabberwock (0):
Luxinity (1): mordacazir
TOTAL_EPICNESS (0):
double o squirtle (0):
Tapu Lele (3): Luispipe8,
GM Draclord (0):
Dusk Form Lycanroc (1): Celever
Abstaining
@Dusk Form Lycanroc @GM DracLord @Luxinity @mirdo @OshaCraft360 @PMJ @Professor_jplap @Tapu Lele @TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK
Additionally, cautioned for inactivity (fewer than 1 post)
@Dusk Form Lycanroc @Luxinity @OshaCraft360
This is not a warning yet, but I would advise you to start posting before it becomes one ^w^
@host, I though i posted my vote at the very start of the day but since my choice of vote have a pile of vote on him,
Just to make sure not turbo lynch occur
##unvote
Just to make sure not turbo lynch occur
##unvote
And this post reeks of OMGUS. Jplap, you haven't posted anything of substance, you've just dodged questions & thrown some OMGUS. I'm keeping my vote on you until you actually start doing something.
As for Lele, I'm not sure. He seems to be genuinely confused as this is his first real game to me.
First of all, ##Unvote
Think I'm a big culprit of that ahahahaoops
I have to say, lele's post kinda reads as defensive townie to me.
This could be interesting, most likely just coincidence but it could be something of note.
This could very well just be RVS stuff. Apparently the general consensus is that I sux (and I don't think TE likes one man but five lol). TE has his wth moments but he's not that bad enough to do something like that imo.
I noticed this a while back too, but I believe some guy that's only posted once mentioned the indie faction?
The whole TE seeming to piggy back off of everything is a bit telling, I'll agree with that.
This kinda reads AtE?I read it as "Stop talking about the claiming mechanics, people already should know it and it isn't useful to thread discussion". When I read it like this, it kinda stung, as I was able to talk about game mechanics in the prior game all I wanted and barely anyone said a word. I thought I was helping people, not hurting their discussion or annoying them
Sorry if this is obvious, I'm just really dense at times, ask any of my friends about this and they'll probably confirm. lol When you say ask it, are you referring to Gekki asking you to stop rolefishing?
I haven't played much games with him either, but yeah he does get easily annoyed from what I've seen in the discord chat.
From what I remember about previous games, (tho these were a long time ago) Jabber is usually pretty assertive like that? Tho idrk, I'm terrible when it comes to remembering tells. :/
I have to say, lele's post kinda reads as defensive townie to me.
Ohey, this reminds me. I asked you to elaborate on why you think Gekki's scum, @Professor_jplap, I know you mentioned you're busy with something in thread, but you posted after I asked that. How come you had time to post and didn't use that to answer me? I'd also like to point out that jplap went on to ask about TE's certamen after ignoring my question, too.
Did...did Tapu Lele just try to use things I said in RVS as evidence against me?
...ok you got me you’re right I tried to convince everyone that you were scum with my sxumbuddy Luis with the unstoppable undeniable evidence that you were a sub last game but I just have one question how did you see through it?
Also scumreads:
A lot of these don’t have very good evidence and they’re just gut feelings but I feel I should share those anyway to get the possibility in there
1 Jabber: this is one of the gut feelings i was talking about he hasn’t said anything particularly scummy but he’s pretty much running the game along with BB
2 BB: see Jabber
3: all the inactive people: pls where are you
4: Lele: see my original post in which I stated some reasons why Lele could be scum plus the stuff now in which he called me “chaotic and sporadic” and quoted a bunch of RVS stuff if you were at the beginning of the last game you would know I do this all the time I had an entire argument with gekki on why Yuri isn’t best girl in DDLC
Townreads:
Gekki: playing similarily to when he’s town
Also:
For those who have read this far congrats you are about to learn a minimal amount of info about my prize!
It is an extremely powerful death ability
Of course it’s a townie ability but that’s all your getting
...ok you got me you’re right I tried to convince everyone that you were scum with my sxumbuddy Luis with the unstoppable undeniable evidence that you were a sub last game but I just have one question how did you see through it?
Also scumreads:
A lot of these don’t have very good evidence and they’re just gut feelings but I feel I should share those anyway to get the possibility in there
1 Jabber: this is one of the gut feelings i was talking about he hasn’t said anything particularly scummy but he’s pretty much running the game along with BB
2 BB: see Jabber
3: all the inactive people: pls where are you
4: Lele: see my original post in which I stated some reasons why Lele could be scum plus the stuff now in which he called me “chaotic and sporadic” and quoted a bunch of RVS stuff if you were at the beginning of the last game you would know I do this all the time I had an entire argument with gekki on why Yuri isn’t best girl in DDLC
Townreads:
Gekki: playing similarily to when he’s town
Also:
For those who have read this far congrats you are about to learn a minimal amount of info about my prize!
It is an extremely powerful death ability
Of course it’s a townie ability but that’s all your getting
Good catch on Samwise's post. I completely missed it. I guess TE's post makes more sense now when referring to a independent faction.
"Ask" probably wasn't the right verb here
. I am indeed referring to why Gekki made his "stop-rolefishing" "distancing" "stop-talking-about-claim-mechanics" (however you interpret it) post.Huh? The prize was from a contest which both mafia and town could enter... I would like to think that a prize from something like that could simply go either way, rather than be "townie" or "scummy"
Well it is a town like ability they wouldn’t give a scum ability to town
I agree with @Tapu Lele, @TOTAL_EPICNESS if both scum and Town can participate in the Certamen why should we think its a town ability?
There’s no way I can convince you beyond a reasonable doubt that it’s a town ability without doing a full claim which I really don’t want to do due to the risk of anti claim measures so for now my only way to convince you is that it’s a death ability town is usually the team that gets death abilities so there
This feels like Deja Vu, but why are you telling the thread about this anyways? I thought the majority of people were fine without you divulging the information.
If you indeed have an extremely powerful townie death ability (as you boast), it would only be effective if it was kept a secret from scum team. Now they would know not to use the nightkill on you.
...oh yeah
No worries; this post is exactly what I was looking for. Glad you got out of the grocery store alright. ^.^
TE has been behaving quite sporadic. He is essentially wagoning everyone's leads, and is just being chaotic.[/QUOTE]
I noticed this too but chalked it up to TE being new and it being RVS. I don't remember any of TE's play from last game save for the one use of his bomb ability, so perhaps somebody else could confirm whether this is unusual for him.
These are the most damning of the quotes you found. I'll also note that what really bugged me about TE is that more than once, he came in, summarized what had been happening, cast the mode vote, and didn't add anything of his own. This is obvs a scum tactic to appear like he's scumhunting when he's really really not.
Haven't seen anything out of character for Gekki yet.
How do you know scum are on both sides of the spectrum?
Alright this is important and we're running out of time. Jplap is not a good Day 1 lynch. Everybody has reacted to him p much exactly the same way, which means his lynch gives us no information going into Day 2. This is bad. We can look into him tomorrow, or later on, but there are certain things we need from a D1 lynch that jplap's lynch does not give us.
##UNVOTE
This is starting to become a tunnel. I can't remember your thoughts on anybody other than jplap this game.
This is not Lele's first real game; it is possible to play a real game as a sub, and Lele did. He learned a lot of significant stuff about the game, which he seemed to have forgotten at the beginning of this one. You should definitely be able to pick a side here.
##VOTE: GEKKI
Did Tapu Lele just take all the absurdly scummy things you've said this game, explain why they're scummy, and use them to present you as a new potential lynch? Why yes, he did. The sheer nerve of him.
This is actually quite good as it's an original thought. Would like to see more of those, preferably with reasoning behind them.
NP's and Vrack's job, not yours.
I really dislike it when people say "yeah I did that scummy thing, but it ain't scummy 'cause I do it all the time". It shows you're being hyperconscious of how you play, which indicates that more of the stuff you say can be attributed to WIFOM, and is also inherently a scumtell.
Your only townread is Gekki? How is he playing similarly to when he's town?
Don't do this. >.>
The information you hold is presumably something that we would not want to fall into the hands of scum. Assuming for a moment that you are in fact town, you should not be spoon-feeding it to them a little at a time. Or at all. Just don't.
Nope lol.
Answer this @TOTAL_EPICNESS.
##VOTE: TOTAL_EPICNESS
Certamen obviously gives strong ability, this in turn means he should be a likely contender for the scumkill, eventually people start getting suspicious if power roles don't get killed, Epicness claiming that his ability activates on death gives him an alibi as to why he's not dead later. Mafia tactic.
Certamen obviously gives strong ability, this in turn means he should be a likely contender for the scumkill, eventually people start getting suspicious if power roles don't get killed, Epicness claiming that his ability activates on death gives him an alibi as to why he's not dead later. Mafia tactic.
Lele and Jabber have both quoted me saying “sub in the last game is always scum” and have tried to use that against me because I did it after Luis voted for Lele
I dont understand the reasoning in this
I’ve given some scumreads earlier but what do you want me to say that hasn’t been said? If I say nothing I’ll get called out for inactivity/posting nothing useful and if I do I can’t say anything that hasn’t been said thus making it look like I’m echoing I’ll try to contribute better opinions in the future but for now nothing is really going on or I’m just missing it
You’re also ignoring what I said when I gave reasoning as to why Jplap likely doesn’t have a death ability
I dont understand the reasoning in this
I’ve given some scumreads earlier but what do you want me to say that hasn’t been said? If I say nothing I’ll get called out for inactivity/posting nothing useful and if I do I can’t say anything that hasn’t been said thus making it look like I’m echoing I’ll try to contribute better opinions in the future but for now nothing is really going on or I’m just missing it
You’re also ignoring what I said when I gave reasoning as to why Jplap likely doesn’t have a death ability
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