News Japan's SM4+ Set: 'GX Battle Boost!'

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  1. Bella Aspiring Trainer
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    People keep saying it's good with venusaur, but I don't think anyone realises just how good this is.

    If exeggutor has 3 grass energy on it (minimum for attack) and venusaur is in play that is 6 coin flips. The probabilities are as follows

    • 0 heads: 0 damage: 1.56%
    • 1 heads: 80 damage: 9.38%
    • 2 heads: 160 damage: 23.44%
    • 3 heads: 240 damage: 31.25%
    • 4 heads: 320 damage: 23.44%
    • 5 heads: 400 damage: 9.38%
    • 6 heads: 480 damage: 1.56%
    Now we can basically combine all results above 3 heads, because with choice band 240 damage is doing 270 to stage2 gx's meaning all those results are one-shotting everything in the game. So the total percent to one-shot any pokemon is 65.63%. That's actually insane and then the 160(190) damage for 23.44% is not even a bad attack for 3 energy, 160 for 3 energy is a good attack that kills things like drampa and tauros with choice band. That means only ~11% of the time will this attack be bad. Then if you throw a victini on your bench you have 2 chances of that. 2 chances at getting at least 89% (66% if you're greedy).

    And that's just assuming 3 energy. With 4 energy the chance to one shot goes up to 85.55%, 96% to do more than 160 damage. And with 5 energy it's a basically guaranteed one shot, though thats a bit too much energy to risk losing.

    Now if you don't need choice band because you aren't fighting metagross, you can use wishful baton to pass the 3 energy to your next exeggutor so you don't even need to set up again. If you do need to set up fomantis/lurantis might be a good inclusion as well.

    Obviously this deck sucks against garbotoxin so definitely 3, possibly 4 field blower is a must. Other than that if you can find an easy way to get venusaur up while accelerating energy to the exeggutors, this deck is going to be actually really good.
     
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  2. Kietharr Aspiring Trainer
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    I think you underestimate the jank factor involved in running both a stage 2 and stage 1 line in the same deck. Even with the nice free tree swarm attack, unlike frogadier you're reliant on having Exeggutes on your bench already which means running items, in standard thick lines of ball cards so you can pull off an early mass evolve, in expanded battle compressors/PLF eggs. In standard it puts you at risk for Garbodor sweeps (garb attacks for one attachment and is a more consistent attacker while Egg needs 3 or 2 and a Venusaur and can possibly do 0 or 80 damage on its attacks), in expanded it makes you more vulnerable to item lock as well.

    Don't get me wrong, if FOGP was still in play this, and many other Venusaur decks, would be fundamentally broken. But the combination of having to deal with draw consistency and flip consistency will make this a poor deck for competitive play. This deck would also be broken if Venusaur's ability worked on DDE/Counter Energy turned to grass, but it only works on basic grass energies.

    I'd build/play this online any day of the week but brining it to a paper event would be a mistake.
     
  3. Vitiel Mush. Up!
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    Brigette eases the burden a lot; you really only need 1 Venusaur on the bench so you'd probably just want to grab one Bulbasaur and 2 Eggs.
     
  4. Water Pokémon Master I like Pokemon more than you. :D
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  5. Bella Aspiring Trainer
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  6. riChchestMat Aspiring Trainer
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    About time we had a full art from Kanako Eo
     
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  7. Rooie Aspiring Trainer
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    Finally. It might be a borderline-useless card, but it's still nice to have full arts of everyone.
     
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  8. Mr. Rhyperior The Drill Pokemon. An evolve form of Rhydon.
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    The card isn't see play at the moment, the art is cute.
     
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  9. Tapu Lele Already the best
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  10. steffenka Aspiring Trainer
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    Looking at the placement of the card, I guess Pheromosa, Xurkitree and Celesteela will be the only completely new GX cards in the set
     
  11. Lord Goomy Got Goomies?
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    Cool card art. I like the card art but hate the card.
    That's why I have 2 Full Art Giovanni's Scheme at home.
    He looks këwl.
     
  12. TheRealBro.. Let's come together!
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    The only reason I remember which in-game character this was is because of the water splash on the background.. Has to be the Water trial girl then right? Bring back Gym Leaders please.
     
  13. Celty Sell-Tea
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    Paws at card furiously u.u
     
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  14. supermattdab0ss Sylveon is da b0ss
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    Really? Lana? Art is very good but I doubt that will ever see play, even with wishiwashi. Reminds me of FA hau, completely useless.
     
  15. Lord o da rings Weird Soul
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    Been waiting for this full art to be revealed for a while (she's my favorite captain), now all we need is Mina and we're good to go.
     
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  16. Kawaki Aspiring Trainer
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    What do you think Mina's card will do? She was super passive in the game just handing you the Z Crystal (I still love her design though - hopefully in Ultra S&M she'll have a bigger role). I would love if her card was just as passive-yet powerful; like a Computer Search supporter ("Just discard whatever and take whatever.").

    edit:
    *Also, thinking of Ace Spec card ideas. Wouldn't it be cool if the Alola Elite Four were like the new Ace Spec cards? They would be the first gold secret rare Supporters and you could "only have one Elite Four member in your deck." They could each provide crazy powerful support, but only one card is allowed in a deck. I think that would be cool.
     
  17. GekkisaiDaiNi #GekkiLogic/#GekkiFails
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    We also still need a Nanu supporter.
     
  18. Pokeprinxe Aspiring Trainer
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    Why are they making so many unplayable cards into full arts?? I guess it'll look good in collections.
     
  19. PlatinumDude Aspiring Trainer
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    Kanako Eo makes the most adorable artworks IMO. She did Lana justice.
     
  20. GrandPanacea Thread Necromancer
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    It's confirmed that she'll actually have a trial, so that's something at least. I agree, and hope that her role is expanded.

    I agree 100%.
     
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