Discussion Is Volcanion a tier 2 deck now?

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Seastrome

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I have played close to a 1000 games with the deck and it was my first deck I played back in spring when I started out. In this format, I struggle to win with it because Gardevoir destroys it with ease and Espeon Garb makes things tough with confusion. I obviously know how to play the deck but it doesn't seem as good anymore because of Gardevoir.

I am finding Golisopod to be the most consistent deck in this format, aside from it's weakness to fire. But I'd like to use Volcanion but I just can't win with it like I used to. :/
 
Volcanion has be surmounted by Ho-Oh/Salazzle. The classic Volcanion EX focused build just doesn't keep pace as it takes way more set up to get Volcanion EX going compared to other attackers like Ho-Oh GX or late game Salazzle GX since Volcanion EX's 130 base damage pales in comparison to Ho-Oh's 180 or Salazzle's potential 200-250
 
CrownAxe said:
Volcanion has be surmounted by Ho-Oh/Salazzle. The classic Volcanion EX focused build just doesn't keep pace as it takes way more set up to get Volcanion EX going compared to other attackers like Ho-Oh GX or late game Salazzle GX since Volcanion EX's 130 base damage pales in comparison to Ho-Oh's 180 or Salazzle's potential 200-250
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Yeah, I don't like that version. It sucked ass when I tried it. Got killed by Gardevoir 6-0.
 
Seastrome said:
Yeah, I don't like that version. It sucked ass when I tried it. Got killed by Gardevoir 6-0.
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That's because Fire decks are Gardevoir's best match up. It's almost rocks beats scissors good. Did you play against anything else?
 
CrownAxe said:
That's because Fire decks are Gardevoir's best match up. It's almost rocks beats scissors good. Did you play against anything else?
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yeah, lost to Bulu as well. The deck felt very weak in terms of damage output. I got a Ho-oh out but no way to reuse his attack and i got stuck with Salazzle after Bulu took out my Ho-Oh. Idk, i don't like the deck much, just wish it was better is all I'm saying.
 
Seastrome said:
yeah, lost to Bulu as well. The deck felt very weak in terms of damage output. I got a Ho-oh out but no way to reuse his attack and i got stuck with Salazzle after Bulu took out my Ho-Oh. Idk, i don't like the deck much, just wish it was better is all I'm saying.
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It's a tier 1 list and should beat bulu handidly. Sounds like the issue is with the list you ran or the way you played it
 
CrownAxe said:
It's a tier 1 list and should beat bulu handidly. Sounds like the issue is with the list you ran or the way you played it
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That is going to depend heavily on the skill of person piloting Bulu and the strength of their deck list. I win more games with it than I lose when paired up with fire decks, and my build isn't even ideal.
 
I played Ho-Oh/Salazzle with 2 Volc ex, 1 baby volc this past weekend and I did the best I've ever done against a stacked line up.

It's not an autoloss to anything, against Garde, you have to just get swinging early. I opted to use ho-Oh take out a Ralts, then a Lele for some early prizes, as I'm expecting to lose Ho-Oh to Garde, then Salazzle can come in swinging once you've taken some prizes or use it's GX attack to bin off a heavily energied Garde

Though in Hindsight, i'd use Turt more so than ho-oh but it's certainly not autoloss to anything. Because Ho-oh helps fix water weakness
 
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