BW-on Meta Match-ups Thread (Only designated contributors may record rounds)

juunkmilk

3nd coming
Member
Introduction
The goal of this thread is to record the match-ups of every popular meta deck. I will be assembling a team of players that will test simple lists against each other.

How data will be gathered
The thread team will build a basic list of every game in the meta, and slowly test each deck against each other deck. Wins and losses will be recorded here, no decks will have unusual techs and no games that seemed based mostly on luck will be counted.

Match-ups
Garchomp/ Altaria
vs. Ho-oh (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Raikou (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Garbodor (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Accelgor (0 wins, 1 losses)
vs. Empoleon (0 wins, 2 losses)
vs. Hydreigon (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Amoonguss/ Ninetales (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Zekeels (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Rayquaza/ Eels (1 wins, 0 losses)

Ho-oh EX
vs. Gartaria (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Raikou (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Garbodor (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Accelgor (1 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Empoleon (2 wins, 1 losses)
vs. Hydreigon (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Amoonguss/ Ninetales (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Zekeels (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Rayquaza/ Eels (0 wins, 0 losses)

Raikou/ Eeels
vs. Ho-oh (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Gartaria (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Garbodor (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Accelgor (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Empoleon (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Hydreigon (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Amoonguss/ Ninetales (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Zekeels (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Rayquaza/ Eels (0 wins, 0 losses)

Terrakion/ Garbodor/ Mewtwo
vs. Ho-oh (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Raikou (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Gartaria (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Accelgor (2 wins, 1 losses)
vs. Empoleon (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Hydreigon (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Amoonguss/ Ninetales (2 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Zekeels (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Rayquaza/ Eels (0 wins, 0 losses)

Accelgor
vs. Ho-oh (0 wins, 1 losses)
vs. Raikou (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Garbodor (1 wins, 2 losses)
vs. Gartaria (1 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Empoleon (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Hydreigon (0 wins, 1 losses)
vs. Amoonguss/ Ninetales (1 wins, 2 losses)
vs. Zekeels (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Rayquaza/ Eels (0 wins, 0 losses)

Empoleon
vs. Ho-oh (1 wins, 2 losses)
vs. Raikou (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Garbodor (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Gartaria (2 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Hydreigon (2 wins, 1 losses)
vs. Amoonguss/ Ninetales (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Zekeels (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Rayquaza/ Eels (0 wins, 0 losses)

Hydreigon
vs. Ho-oh (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Accelgor (1 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Raikou (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Garbodor (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Gartaria (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Empoleon (1 wins, 2 losses)
vs. Amoonguss/ Ninetales (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Zekeels (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Rayquaza/ Eels (0 wins, 0 losses)

Amoonguss/ Ninetales
vs. Ho-oh (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Raikou (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Garbodor (0 wins, 2 losses)
vs. Gartaria (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Empoleon (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Hydreigon (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Zekeels (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Accelgor (2 wins, 1 losses)
vs. Rayquaza/ Eels (0 wins, 0 losses)

Zekeels
vs. Ho-oh (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Raikou (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Garbodor (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Gartaria (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Empoleon (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Hydreigon (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Rayquaza/ Eels (2 wins, 1 losses)

Rayquaza/ Eels
vs. Ho-oh (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Raikou (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Garbodor (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Gartaria (0 wins, 1 losses)
vs. Empoleon (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Hydreigon (0 wins, 0 losses)
vs. Zekeels (1 wins, 2 losses)

Contributors
LORDY JONES
TheLostZone
Roguechomp
Vulpix Yolk
Hope
Martini
GHJamesGH
Infinity


Becoming a Contributor
PM me with the following application:
Name/ Username:
How Long you've been playing:
Decks built:
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Other Notes:

Let me know if I'm forgetting any decks
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juunkmilk

3nd coming
Member
RE: BW-on Meta Match-ups Thread

I don't see a very huge difference between Mewtwo/Terrakion and Mewtwo/Terrakion/Garbodor, so I won't be adding it.
 

juunkmilk

3nd coming
Member
RE: BW-on Meta Match-ups Thread

Infinity said:
I'd join. You forgot Amoonguss/Ninetales.
Oh, thanks. Gee I've never even heard of that, though I get it.

Edit: Amoonguss added
 

RobertBenjamin

Aspiring Trainer
Member
RE: BW-on Meta Match-ups Thread

LORDY JONES said:
I don't see a very huge difference between Mewtwo/Terrakion and Mewtwo/Terrakion/Garbodor, so I won't be adding it.

I think you should remove Garbodor from the Mewtwo/Terrakion since Garbodor is just a tech to this deck and isn't in all Mewtwo/Terrakion lists.In fact, the two Mewtwo/Terrakion decks that won two of Japan's World Qualifiers didn't have Garbodor in it. I also believe that all Mewtwo/Terrakion decks that made the top cut in all of Japan's four World Qualifiers never had Garbodor in their lists. Mewtwo/Terrakion decks in that tourney were usually paired with Bouffalant or/and Terrakion EX.
 

RogueChomp

Team DBT
Member
RE: BW-on Meta Match-ups Thread (Record your rounds here!)

I've been using a pretty standard Empoleon Terrakion deck and here are its wins and losses:
1-2 vs. Ho-oh EX
2-0 vs. Garchomp
1-0 vs. Hydreigon Darkrai

Make Mewtwo/Terrakion and Terra/Garbo/Mewtwo 2 different decks. They play completely differently. But definitally don't remove Garbodor from the list. It is an amazing deck and certainly has potential.
Add regular Zekeels. It is certaintly a good deck still. Rayquaza Eels should be added too.
 

juunkmilk

3nd coming
Member
RE: BW-on Meta Match-ups Thread (Record your rounds here!)

Oh forgot about all those Eels.
Thanks for the contribution
 

RogueChomp

Team DBT
Member
RE: BW-on Meta Match-ups Thread (Record your rounds here!)

I could contribute to the list. I have standard lists of D/H, Empoleon, Garchomp, and Zekeels and I test often. My friend also has a very good Ho-oh Tornadus deck and another friend has a RayEels deck. I usually record my wins and losses anyway so it wouldn't be out of my way.
 

juunkmilk

3nd coming
Member
RE: BW-on Meta Match-ups Thread (Record your rounds here!)

Hope said:
You (or mods or some other group) should choose a few select players to contribute to this list. If everyone were to just add to the list, then the matchups could be off considering the different skill levels between players.

That makes sense, and I'll consider it, I gotta say I like it better this way though because everyone gets to contribute to it, it seems more fun and community-oriented. I say in the introduction it won't be perfectly scientific.
As long as they know what's going on enough to be playing meta decks against other meta decks it's good enough for me.

RogueChomp said:
I could contribute to the list. I have standard lists of D/H, Empoleon, Garchomp, and Zekeels and I test often. My friend also has a very good Ho-oh Tornadus deck and another friend has a RayEels deck. I usually record my wins and losses anyway so it wouldn't be out of my way.

I'd love to continue taking your contributions,
for now though I will be taking everyone who qualifies contributions
 

Vulpix Yolk

\ \ durant gang \ \
Member
RE: BW-on Meta Match-ups Thread (Record your rounds here!)

I'm going to move this thread over to the Competitive Collective, I think it will do better there.

* Moved *

I don't think that Registeel is actually a deck. I think it is more of tech in several decks that either play DCE, or have the energy acceleration to support Registeel. I'd probably drop it from the list. I'll start keeping track of the games I play and give you a list of wins and losses at the end of the week.
 

juunkmilk

3nd coming
Member
RE: BW-on Meta Match-ups Thread (Record your rounds here!)

Aw man, I wasn't aware. I'll remove Regi then. Thanks vy, I didn't even know competitive collective was a thing.
 

Glace

Top 8, Worlds 2013
Advanced Member
Member
RE: BW-on Meta Match-ups Thread (Record your rounds here!)

LORDY JONES said:
I don't see a very huge difference between Mewtwo/Terrakion and Mewtwo/Terrakion/Garbodor, so I won't be adding it.

There are tons of Garbodor variants, don't mix Garb with other stuff or other variants.

I think making this select is a good idea.


For now just have some CP and/or test against someone with CP.
 

RogueChomp

Team DBT
Member
RE: BW-on Meta Match-ups Thread (Record your rounds here!)

Just beat Rayeels with Zekeels 2-1
Edit: Beat Accelgor with Hydreigon 1-0
 

RobertBenjamin

Aspiring Trainer
Member
RE: BW-on Meta Match-ups Thread (Record your rounds here!)

Glace said:
There are tons of Garbodor variants, don't mix Garb with other stuff or other variants.

Agree !

Mewtwo Terrakion can stand on its own.
 

MrGatr

Goin Rogue Baby :DDD
Member
RE: BW-on Meta Match-ups Thread (Record your rounds here!)

I've been playing Mewtwo Terrakion (EX) it's at:
2-0 Ninetales Amoonguss
0-1 Zekeels
 

Puckstopper20

Aspiring Trainer
Member
RE: BW-on Meta Match-ups Thread (Record your rounds here!)

Played with..
Raikou Eels

4-0 VS Accelgor/Gothitelle/Musharna/Mew EX
2-0 VS Garchomp/Altaria
3-2 VS Darkrai Hydreigon
0-1 VS Rayquaza EX Eels (HORRIBLE START)
 

RogueChomp

Team DBT
Member
RE: BW-on Meta Match-ups Thread (Record your rounds here!)

We are only doing matchups that are on the list. Not weird techs like Empoleon Dakrai Mewtwo or Giratina Altaria. Just so ya know.
 

juunkmilk

3nd coming
Member
RE: BW-on Meta Match-ups Thread (Record your rounds here!)

So yeah, I think you guys are right, I'll be assembling a team of players I can trust to do the stats for this.

As of now the contributor team consists of:
Me (LORDU JONNES)
Vulpix Yolk
Roguechomp
TheLostZone

Other players may apply to become a contributor using the application in the OP.
 

RobertBenjamin

Aspiring Trainer
Member
RE: BW-on Meta Match-ups Thread (Record your rounds here!)

LORDY JONES said:
So yeah, I think you guys are right, I'll be assembling a team of players I can trust to do the stats for this. Seeing as the only person outside of my team I've taken data from yet is Roguechomp, he's definitely in there.

There is a disadvantage in doing that which is your sample size will be small and biased towards the deck-building preferences of the players you choose to be in the said team. You have to keep in mind the meta covers a wide range of players and not a limited number of players.

The clear example of this was the fate of the Top Cut folks who played among themselves prior to Nationals and came to the tourney with decks that reflected the builds that suited the match-ups against themselves and not against the wide meta. This resulted in none of them making top cut in US Nationals.
 
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