RE: A Kalos/Hoenn Crossover in 2015? It's likely true!
Mortal_Zachary said:
There are two games that XY and ORAS can communicate with. ORAS is 24 and 25 and 26/27 are unknown.
Welp that was pretty obvious to me even without the 2 left game markers, because..
Mortal_Zachary said:
There are two unused Zygarde moves. That proves that these two games are a pair and not two separate games. These moves are called Thousand Waves and Thousand Arrows.
... exactly this. As soon as I saw Thousand Arrows/Waves like a year ago from XY datamining, I knew it meant one very specific thing:
They have 2 separate changes for Zygarde in mind for the XY-follow-up game.
It's like Kyurem all over again, which was a bit surprising at first but I guess they liked splitting the third mascot into two designs and decided to do that this time too.
And this time the two moves are actually "clones" of Zygardes original signature move (Lands Wrath) with merely an added effect, which makes it even clearer than in Kyurems case that those are REPLACEMENT moves, rather than moves it can learn in addition to Lands Wrath.
The obvious speculation can be taken even a step further, by looking at the added effects: trapping grounded opponents or hitting airborne ones. Since Zygardes "counterparts" are Xerneas and Yveltal, it's surely no coincidence that one of them is airborne.
This may imply that there will be some kind of face-off between the new designs for Zygarde and the otehr 2 mascots in each of the 2 games respectively, which firstly fits it's backstory about restoring balance and secondly the fact that one of the XY mascots is still untouched in each versions universe for the sequel to use in the plot (pretty much exactly like Ns unobtainable Zekrom/Reshiram from BW becomes obtainable after he lets it free in BW2, giving anyone who buys the same color twice access to both color mascots)
Mortal_Zachary said:
There is likely going to be spotlight on Johto and here's the evidence. Kalos has a place called the Sea Spirit's Den which the Kanto birds roost at. Lugia is their leader and it's known as the Guardian of the Seas. Expect Mega Lugia!
Now that came completely out of nowhere..
Why on earth would the spotlight be Johto? You didn't actually provide any "evidence" or even a proper basis for why that would make sense to think.
I seriously doubt they would put a spotlight on Lugia without putting one on Ho-oh.
But even assuming they would also cover Ho-oh and for sake of consistency get the beast trio involved too... we've just had access to Lugia/Ho-oh in ORAS and the beasts, with all of the trio obtainable in either game. Now if there was only one beast available in a gen6 game exactly like was the case for one bird in XY, THEN this would be a serious point, but that's not the case.
And then additionally suggesting a Mega for Lugia... now that's pure speculation. Might as well suggest to expect Mega Arceus because there is an event distribution, Mega Xerneas/Yveltal to make them more interesting after XY, and a Mega Mewtwo Z for the heck of it, and all three examples are still more realistic expectations than Mega Lugia out of the blue.
Mortal_Zachary said:
Take a look at the HA Johto Starter event on in the PokeBank. It lasts until November 30th. Early October to early November is the perfect time to release an XY sequel that puts some spotlight on Johto.
The simpler explanation for why there is HA Johto starters event going on would be that they were the only starters left whose HAs weren't distributed yet and many people were waiting for them for a while now.
This distribution doesn't actually imply either way.
There could be Johto starters given out in the middle of the journey just like Kanto starters were and then have Mega stones to show off too....but so could Sinnoh starters. Johto starters being distributed might even be a point towards Sinnoh or Unova starters being featured instead since Johto was covered by the event the whole year leading up to the sequels! LOL
But we also just had all starters made equally available through post-game Birch in ORAS..
And not to mention, since the starters of the sequels will most definitely be Chespin/Fennekin/Froakie (like every follow-up game ever), it would actually make perfect sense for them to get a bigger focus now as they are already a repeittive case otehrwise, so why not shake things up by giving them Mega evolutions? I mean they are the starters of the generation/region that introduced us to mega evolution in the first place. It makes complete sense that they would be the ones to get on the Mega-train to finish their own generation like it's actual stars rather than sitting in the shadows of old starters through 6 games!
So I say:"Expect Mega evolutions for gen 6 starters!
Mortal_Zachary said:
In Slateport City, they are discussing building a ship with the high speed rail technology from Kalos.
Not to mention all the references to Battle Frontier, Pike Queen, Scott, Champion Wallace, Match Call, and an explorer named Brandon hunting for Volcanion in Kalos.
Cross references between regions featured in the same generations are completely normal and don't tell us anything about what the sequels are going to be like.
Is that still supposed to be part of the Johto-idea or did you just jump to something completely else?
I mean these are interesting details but the sequels could still feature either Kalos, or a new southern part of Kalos or heck even Hoenn again (highly unlikely unless GF does soemthing silly and pulls Delta Emerald on us against all common sense), or both Hoenn and Kalos (which is actually an interesting idea), but that sounds either too cheap or too much work. In none of these cases the listed references make a difference, they're all consistent and independent.
The most realistic expectation for where the sequels take place is probably just Kalos with a dozen new areas (akin to the expanded Unova of BW2).
Also Battle Frontier would not be surprising, as the hardcore facilities always show up in the game that does not have to include a region from scratch (in other words, a game that is basically a modified and improved version of another game of the current generation, in this case the sequels to XY which will be improved versions of XY obviously).
Mortal_Zachary said:
Masuda wants to be unpredictable. He already said he won't make Pokemon Z. X2Y2 would be too predictable as well.
Get the exact quote (http://www.gamespot.com/articles/pokemon-director-explains-why-series-is-becoming-e/1100-6422945/ ) and you'll find out he did not actually say he doesn't want to be unpredictable, just that they always try to surprise people and that making ORAS instead of an expected Z right after XY did that job. It tells us nothing about the actual sequels that are going to come out at one point in near future one way or another.
Mortal_Zachary said:
Think guys, the ultimate Pokemon game. These games would blow HGSS and B2W2 out of the water. Kalos and Hoenn together means two regions. Every feature from both regions in the games. Two champions, automatic Mega Milotic, expanded secret bases, ultimate character customization, every single Pokemon within two titles, and Hoenn's Battle Frontier.
I wouldn't call slapping the two sets of games that just came out together "the ultimate" game. That would be the lazy game if anything and probably a messy process. They'd have 2 regions which have to be made interesting again and Hoenn (I assume) modified heavily to work as a post-game region. Way messier and unprofessional than taking just Kalos and trying to enrich it as much as possible to make a second journey feel legitimately refreshing, with the hopes of topping BW2s attempt in all ways.
And the concepts and themes even clash at some points. For example the playable character of Hoenn had a fixed design for a reason: their clothes are made for exploration of the exotic Hoenn region, from deserts to diving, whereas in Kalos the theme was beauty and fashion, which brought us a much desired trainer customisation feature.
That's my response flavored with perhaps some off-topic (it's not like the original post seems to know what it wants to be about so I tried covering everything it touched upon) and clarifications with my own standpoints and reasons for it.
In conclusion, here is my "what to expect from XY-sequels", trying to keep it as realistic as possible all things past and current taken into account:
Expect:
-2 games, direct sequels to XY
-Region: Kalos 1.6 (if BW2s Unova were considered Unova 1.5)
-Character: a new face, trainer customisation back with a quite expanded/redone wardrobe
-Starters: Chespin/Fennekin/Froakie, with their Mega evolutions shown off in the story
-Kalosdex: expanded further (probably even up to ~600)
-Gym leader/E4 roster shaken up a fair bit (changing order, some being left out and replaced, some changing drastically)
-Main Story: a legendary plot involving Xerneas in Y-sequel and Yveltal in X-sequel (with perhaps even new forms, Primals or non-item Megas themselves)
-Zygarde gaining a new form in each version (whether they're Megas, Primals, Kyurem-esque absorbtions, or something enitrely unqiue to Zygarde, but definitely achievable without held item and a TBS of 700)
-New Zygarde forme facing the other mascot at the climax
-XYs lore continued, AZs Floette obtainable, more about Looker
-plenty of Hoenn-flavor from ORAS leaking over into these games (characters from Steven/Wallace to Zinnia, Scott, perhaps even Juan showing up..)
-another healthy amount of new Megas added (practically none for gen I, but plenty for V and VI)
-plenty of old legends obtainable in post-game, with higher chances for ones that were version exclusives in ORAS
-a full Battle Frontier including a Battle Tower as Maisons replacement (and likely an Inverse battle facility)
-Easy and Challenge mode available
-Friend Safari with some new twist and a changed Pokemon List
