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TDK (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX / Kyurem)

Use this thread for all discussion TDK. This includes strategies, playstyles, and techs. This is not the thread to discuss The Yeti (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX / Lugia EX). All discussion about that deck should be posted in its respective thread.

You may post decklists here, but only as a means of adding to the discussion. Don't post decklists here for advice.

All discussion not related to the Plasma deck will be moved or deleted. All shallow or uninformed discussion will also be deleted by the mods.

Skeleton List:

Pokémon: 9
  • 4 Deoxys EX
  • 3 Kyurem PLF
  • 2 Thundurus EX
Trainers: 26
  • 4 Professor Juniper
  • 4 N
  • 3 Colress
  • 3 Skyla
  • 3 Ball Cards (Ultra Ball / Plasma Ball)
  • 3 Colress Machine
  • 3 Muscle Band
  • 2 Switching Cards (Switch / Escape Rope)
  • 1 Computer Search
Energy:14
  • 4 Plasma
  • 4 Rainbow
  • 4 Prism
  • 1 Water
  • 1 Lightning
Free Space: 11


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  • Virizion EX
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  • Shadow Triad
  • Frozen City
  • Fairy Garden
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RE: Plasma Box (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX / Kyurem with techs)

I've been testing this and it is easily one of the best decks there has ever been in Modified, too fast, too consistent, too powerful, what more could you want?

4 Deoxys EX
3 Thundurus EX
3 Kyurem
2 Lugia EX
12
4 Juniper
4 N
2 Skyla
2 Cheren
4 Plasma Ball
4 Colress Machine
4 Catcher
3 Hypno Laser
3 Float Stone
2 Switch
1 Scramble Switch
2 Virbank City Gym
1 Frozen City
36
4 WFML Blend Energy
4 Prism Energy
4 Plasma Energy
12
Total: 60

Does anyone have any ideas to how we counter Klinklang with this? In theory we win, but in testing we die horribly.

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RE: Plasma Box (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX / Kyurem with techs)

(04-21-2013 04:03 AM)Blui Wrote:  I've been testing this and it is easily one of the best decks there has ever been in Modified, too fast, too consistent, too powerful, what more could you want?

4 Deoxys EX
3 Thundurus EX
3 Kyurem
2 Lugia EX
12
4 Juniper
4 N
2 Skyla
2 Cheren
4 Plasma Ball
4 Colress Machine
4 Catcher
3 Hypno Laser
3 Float Stone
2 Switch
1 Scramble Switch
2 Virbank City Gym
1 Frozen City
36
4 WFML Blend Energy
4 Prism Energy
4 Plasma Energy
12
Total: 60

Does anyone have any ideas to how we counter Klinklang with this? In theory we win, but in testing we die horribly.
1. You might want to tech a Keldeo in your deck to deal with laser problems. Put float stone on Keldeo = free retreat forever.
2. Might want a couple DCE for Lugia and Thundurus.
3. You want ultra ball to discard the special energy so you can attach with Thundurus turn 1. To be honest I'd run 4 Ultra and 2 Plasmaball.
4. I guess the problem with Klinklang is that you lose to Cobalion EX's first attack that discards special energy. If you expect to play against Klinklang a lot, you may want to use some basic lightning energy.

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RE: Plasma Box (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX / Kyurem with techs)

Does anyone think that Garchomp may come back being able to discard energy againest this deck while also being able to knockout Snorlax and Kyurem with Dragon Blade 100+30 laser damage=130.
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RE: Plasma Box (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX / Kyurem with techs)

Discarding energy shouldn't be too much a problem when your accelerating Special Energy from the discard. Unless it's a devoted Hammertime, but then again, what deck isn't effected by that.

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RE: Plasma Box (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX / Kyurem with techs)

(04-21-2013 04:03 AM)Blui Wrote:  I've been testing this and it is easily one of the best decks there has ever been in Modified, too fast, too consistent, too powerful, what more could you want?

4 Deoxys EX
3 Thundurus EX
3 Kyurem
2 Lugia EX
12
4 Juniper
4 N
2 Skyla
2 Cheren
4 Plasma Ball
4 Colress Machine
4 Catcher
3 Hypno Laser
3 Float Stone
2 Switch
1 Scramble Switch
2 Virbank City Gym
1 Frozen City
36
4 WFML Blend Energy
4 Prism Energy
4 Plasma Energy
12
Total: 60

Does anyone have any ideas to how we counter Klinklang with this? In theory we win, but in testing we die horribly.
Are you referring to yourself as we? I didn't know you were royalty, Blui Tongue lol jk jk

Is the problem that they can discard your energy, or that Kyurem can't take the whole deck down by itself? You could try Snorlax, or maybe Espeon from Dark Explorers, combined with other Eeveelutions from Plasma Freeze.

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RE: Plasma Box (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX / Kyurem with techs)

(04-21-2013 03:38 PM)MountainDrew Wrote:  Does anyone think that Garchomp may come back being able to discard energy againest this deck while also being able to knockout Snorlax and Kyurem with Dragon Blade 100+30 laser damage=130.
Donkability is too high (I like that word :3)

This deck is very cruel. One shots like everything, with a a non ex. That's why I want to counterdeck it Tongue.

It's good, definitely.

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RE: Plasma Box (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

Cruel is a good word to describe this lol. It can do crazy damage on T1 or 2 and just keeps up the pressure the whole game. One of the most annoying things about it is that you can't use the 7th prize rule to get around it's speed; Lugia can change that math whenever it wants to. The deck just has everything going for it- speed, energy acceleration, extremely high damage output, non-ex attackers, and no glaring weaknesses. It's only real downfall is it sometimes has trouble with consistency and Enhanced Hammers annoy it to no end.

Also I changed the title because apparently people are using this to some success without any Kyurem.


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RE: Plasma Box (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

(04-21-2013 05:46 PM)RogueChomp Wrote:  Donkability is too high (I like that word :3)
Which word do you like again? High? Or "donkability"?

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I was referring to "is".
Lol was that really worth a post?

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RE: Plasma Box (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

(04-21-2013 06:06 PM)RogueChomp Wrote:  I was referring to "is".
Lol was that really worth a post?
Was that worth a post?

On topic, how often do you guys actually use Lugia? I can't tell if it's the main attacker, or just a cool late game thing.

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RE: Plasma Box (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

Its a cool late game thing.
And I was answering his question

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RE: Plasma Box (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

What do you guys think about a more 'techy' version of standard Thundurus-Deoxys?
It keeps all the consistency and makes some match-ups a lot easier. The Pokemon lines can be changed and altered to better suit your metagame or playstyle.


Pokemon - 13
3 Thundurus EX
4 Deoxys EX
2 Lugia EX
1 Keldeo EX
1 Plasma Kyurem (BW8)
1 Snorlax (Plasma)
1 Sigilyph

S/S/T 34
2 Virbank/Frozen City (depends on preference)
4x Professor Juniper
3x N
2x Bianca
2x Colress
2x Skyla
4 Corless Machine
4 Pokemon Catcher
4 Hypnotoxic Laser
3 Plasma Ball
2 Ultra Ball
1 Float Stone
1 Scramble Switch

Energy 13
4 Plasma
4 Prism
3 Blend WFLM
2 DCE

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RE: Plasma Box (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

(04-21-2013 09:26 PM)miniman Wrote:  What do you guys think about a more 'techy' version of standard Thundurus-Deoxys?
It keeps all the consistency and makes some match-ups a lot easier. The Pokemon lines can be changed and altered to better suit your metagame or playstyle.


Pokemon - 13
3 Thundurus EX
4 Deoxys EX
2 Lugia EX
1 Keldeo EX
1 Plasma Kyurem (BW8)
1 Snorlax (Plasma)
1 Sigilyph

S/S/T 34
2 Virbank/Frozen City (depends on preference)
4x Professor Juniper
3x N
2x Bianca
2x Colress
2x Skyla
4 Corless Machine
4 Pokemon Catcher
4 Hypnotoxic Laser
3 Plasma Ball
2 Ultra Ball
1 Float Stone
1 Scramble Switch

Energy 13
4 Plasma
4 Prism
3 Blend WFLM
2 DCE
Well, the way you describe it, why WOULDN'T you play it?

That deck definitely doesn't have enough ways to Switch. If you're facing Garbodor, or either your Float Stone or Keldeo is prized, or you have to Juniper away your Float Stone, you basically have no way to move your active Pokemon, other then manually retreating. Which is a problem when you run Kyurem with it's three retreat, and Snorlax with it's... *shudders.

And which match up does Sigilyph help in exactly?

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RE: Plasma Box (Thundurus EX / Deoxys EX with attackers and techs)

(04-21-2013 10:39 PM)Machamp the Champion Wrote:  
(04-21-2013 09:26 PM)miniman Wrote:  What do you guys think about a more 'techy' version of standard Thundurus-Deoxys?
It keeps all the consistency and makes some match-ups a lot easier. The Pokemon lines can be changed and altered to better suit your metagame or playstyle.


Pokemon - 13
3 Thundurus EX
4 Deoxys EX
2 Lugia EX
1 Keldeo EX
1 Plasma Kyurem (BW8)
1 Snorlax (Plasma)
1 Sigilyph

S/S/T 34
2 Virbank/Frozen City (depends on preference)
4x Professor Juniper
3x N
2x Bianca
2x Colress
2x Skyla
4 Corless Machine
4 Pokemon Catcher
4 Hypnotoxic Laser
3 Plasma Ball
2 Ultra Ball
1 Float Stone
1 Scramble Switch

Energy 13
4 Plasma
4 Prism
3 Blend WFLM
2 DCE
Well, the way you describe it, why WOULDN'T you play it?

That deck definitely doesn't have enough ways to Switch. If you're facing Garbodor, or either your Float Stone or Keldeo is prized, or you have to Juniper away your Float Stone, you basically have no way to move your active Pokemon, other then manually retreating. Which is a problem when you run Kyurem with it's three retreat, and Snorlax with it's... *shudders.

And which match up does Sigilyph help in exactly?
I personally never found the switch problem/lack of switch to be overly painful for the deck, but at times it can be. So Sigilyph could be dropped for the extra float stone, but in general the tech depend on your metagame. Quick thing on snorlax it should never be on the bench, you drop snorlax then scramble switch so that problem never arises

Also with this deck you should be able to apply early game pressure to Garbodor so that can't lock you up or so you have a way to get out of the lock (which is at times easier said than done).

Sigilyph is a universal counter that can help in a lot of match-up, but it can be dropped for

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