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RE: (1) M Venusaur-EX from ‘XY Collections’ Revealed! [11/7]

I don't think this is going to go down well at all, I don't care for the format, since I don't play. I don't like the writing on the card though.
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RE: (1) M Venusaur-EX from ‘XY Collections’ Revealed! [11/7]

Paralyze Poison? Not too OP, yet not too shabby. Interesting to see its uses in Virizion variants, but I think it'll only work if you can Mega Evo T1.

(11-07-2013 09:50 AM)DNA Wrote:  230 HP
Evolves from a Pokemon-EX
Has a giant-ass attack that auto-paralyzes

...can I go home now?

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Quote:[G][G][G][C] Crisis Vine: 120 damage. The Active Pokemon is now Poisoned and Paralyzed.
*opponent's Active Pokemon
Inb4 paralyzes itself.

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Quote:Inb4 paralyzes itself.
I can read the card scan, sir. It definitely does not paralyze itself.

Do you realize the implications of 100% paralysis every turn with no drawback?

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(11-07-2013 11:44 AM)DNA Wrote:  
Quote:Inb4 paralyzes itself.
I can read the card scan, sir. It definitely does not paralyze itself.

Do you realize the implications of 100% paralysis every turn with no drawback?
I was kidding.

And yes I do. But with a hefty cost, and with certain VIRIZION EX, SWITCH, AND ESCAPE ROPE cards floating around, I don't see it being OP like people are exaggerating it to be.

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(11-07-2013 11:44 AM)DNA Wrote:  
Quote:Inb4 paralyzes itself.
I can read the card scan, sir. It definitely does not paralyze itself.

Do you realize the implications of 100% paralysis every turn with no drawback?
The drawback is that you have to play it.

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Although that is true, that does not make it any less terrifying. Switch is still common, yes, but if M-Venusaur EX requires people to start running Virizion EX etc just to stop it, it would make for a pretty stale and irritating format.
Similar to the days of Machamp SF, when everyone had to run Unown G just to stop Take Out.

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Quote:The drawback is that you have to play it.
HA
Well played, sir.

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(11-07-2013 11:56 AM)DNA Wrote:  Although that is true, that does not make it any less terrifying. Switch is still common, yes, but if M-Venusaur EX requires people to start running Virizion EX etc just to stop it, it would make for a pretty stale and irritating format.
Similar to the days of Machamp SF, when everyone had to run Unown G just to stop Take Out.

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Quote:The drawback is that you have to play it.
HA
Well played, sir.
The fact that Virizion EX is actually very common makes M-Venasaur not so great. People are hyping Virizion/Genesect with Energy Switch, which already has a built in Virizion. Additionally, MegaSaur is very inconsistent. Once it gets KOd, which should NOT take too long, you can just get steamrolled because MegaSaur is SO inconsistent. If it took GGCC for the attack, it would be broken. What made ParaPoison deadly last format is that Virizion EX didn't exist and Switch was blocked with Goth. Even Keldeo EX "can" counter MegaSaur because of the loss of auto catcher.

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I agree with those who dislike the attack name being in the artwork. That's gotta be one of the strangest decisions made for the artwork. It doesn't make the card look any better and if it becomes a recurring theme and ends up on a Mega with a terrible attack, it would be like adding insult to injury. "Ah HA! Not only are you unusable as a card, your artwork is now forever destroyed by your terrible attack's name being plastered over it in giant capital letters!"

Crazy attack name nonsense aside, seems like they're really hurting for space on the card. Giant Mega Evolution ruling box, decent-sized EX ruling box, artwork effects going crazy all over the place, leaving room for only 1 attack. Wowey-woowey that's a lot of stuff on a card.

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The card in itself looks ridiculous. Crisis Vine should be omitted from the artwork, and it definitely is a strange take. I am in 100% agreement with Xous - there's just too much going on with this card. Just...cramped.

I'm sad now that old school Wailord ex is no longer the Pokémon card with the greatest HP, and also sad that it's still only a two-Prize deal for taking out Mega Evolutions. Crisis Vine + Virbank can be seen somewhat of a niche, but because Catcher is no longer a thing, Keldeo/Float Stone should have some swagger back.

Still hate Mega Venusaur.

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I kinda like the comic book style words on the card art, but that's just meTongue
We knew that Mega Pokemon would change the game, and they have.

There's no way you can stop that thing!!! ( Unless you have a Mega Charizard that has 250 HP and can do 130 damage and a double burnSmile )
Don't worry, there will be plenty of overpowered Mega Pokemon to level the playing field, this is just one card!

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RE: (1) M Venusaur-EX from ‘XY Collections’ Revealed! [11/7]

So... why is this supposed to be impressive?

Yes, it has broken certain assumed template "rules", but that's about it. It has 230 HP in a format where that is a 2HKO. It automatically Paralyzes in a format where few decks don't already run counters to this. It ends your turn and is worth two Prizes when KOed, so even if isn't OHKOed, your opponent gets a free attack in.

Could I be wrong? Absolutely. Wouldn't be the first time. Right now I am not seeing why this is impressive. The attack is what you need to be competitive in the current format, given the Energy cost... but the drawbacks of being a Mega Evolution might still be too much.

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This card is way to strong.

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Welp, there goes the meta....

230 HP is purely ridiculous, however, I'm pretty sure everyone saw that coming. 120 AND paralyze AND poison is just OP when matched up with certain techs. This card just makes Virizion more and more dominant.

As for the art, it's not as bad as some say. Yes the "CRISIS VINE" is out of place and would ruin many other card's artwork, but I think if we had a clearer image it wouldn't be as bad.

Also, with Crisis Vine being in the artwork (most likely) meaning that the attack name of all Mega Pokémon will be in the art, does this mean that Mega Pokémon only get 1 attack?

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(11-07-2013 01:21 PM)flilix Wrote:  This card is way to strong.
Putting it mildly, yeah. The more I look at this card (and the fact I only just noticed it can automatically paralyze) the more I think that they went far too overboard with this one. I thought the new EXs were a little too overpowered, but I thought it wasn't too insane. However, considering how these mega Pokémon may reach closer to 300 HP I think the game has become too power mad. My advice to people who don't like this; make an extra rule with friends to not use any mega Pokémon if they have any.
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(11-07-2013 01:25 PM)Momaster12 Wrote:  Welp, there goes the meta....

230 HP is purely ridiculous, however, I'm pretty sure everyone saw that coming.
Agreed. And if you give Crystal wall to Black Kyurem EX, he has 300 HP.
So I saw that coming for more than a year.

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