PS you're convienently forgetting this, I just reminded you to do it, you've been active and if you already know which points I haven't debunked it shouldn't he hard:
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Fine. You work on a response for the last thing I posted and I'll get to work on a response to your post, alright?
You're saying I'm not debunking points...while I'm pushing you to give me points to debunk and debinking points.
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No you don't.
Okay, I reread this, and it makes alot more sense the second time of reading it. However, there are a few things that are off still:
If you're scum, your view will obviously be biased, therefore all of your points should be taken with a grain of salt.
Actually, Lorde basically originally voted me for failing to understand something extremely vague that really only she interpreted as a point.
Two of them are:
1) When you said part of Lorde's defense should be scumhunting, while you said you couldn't scumhunt because you were defending yourself.
2) The trap that NP put ahead of you with the "Right now?"
I never said it was a decent reason to read her and you as scum, but it's the best thing I have inside this chaotic Day 1. Also, you keep defending Lorde right now. Is there anything about her that you don't agree with?
It's not about the amount of posts, it's about the content of the few posts they made.
This will be good to read.@bbninjas I'll make a post once I read. I'm currently finishing installing my TV mount. I'm about to have an energy drink.
1. I meant that Lorde should be scumhunting since I was mainly attacking her for not scumhunting. So basically, I meant she should temporarily ignore some of my other points and scumhunt a little bit.
2. Not sure what you mean.
So then the only point left on me that we don't share is the one where I'm fabricating scum-tells on you, which is false. You said I needed to scum hunt in my defense, and when I was asked my thoughts I gave them on a few other players, and made no direct response to why I said I couldn't do it properly. That's why I think you were ignoring the point, which was a completely valid defense.
Next there's tunneling. Look what I got out of that? I started from you disregarding "a good point" and now I've tacked multiple scum-tells on you. I've been scum-hunting in some shape or form this entire time. The thoughts on others after asked proves it wasn't hard tunneling either. I don't know who said it, but they were completely right about me developing my read through tunneling.
Then there's hypocrisy, which I have no defense for and will admit to. But that's also not always scummy (though yes, in most cases it is). It is for you in your case because it was being used to ignore my valid defensive points (and continue to push me for said points even though they're completely false). Even so, you can't build a case based on solely hypocritical instances (unless en masse, which they really aren't for either of us).
The only significant reason I should have any votes for me is the lack of justification in finding a reason to vote, and I've found multiple reasons to keep my vote where it is through tunneling, while not even really changing my original line of thinking. Gekki wasn't even listing this as a reason and so his vote is invalid. On the contrary, NP (who isn't even voting me) is using this point against me can because this is actually something very scum-like before being explained.
Mariano's a scum read. I also answered my reads with my quick edits to Gekki's read list, where I agree on most of those points. As always, you're neutral. Hard to read you otherwise because you're always so enigmatic.
Um... what?
Um, what??? Stop. Sooo much is wrong with this:
- Hard bandwagoning.
- Massive backpedal.
- Joking despite no longer in RVS.
And I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt. :U
And I've clarified how/why this is false.
And you're reading BB as town, and because of that for you this is pointless.If you're scum, your view will obviously be biased, therefore all of your points should be taken with a grain of salt.
Actually, Lorde basically originally voted me for failing to understand something extremely vague that really only she interpreted as a point.
I believe BB actually confirmed that "the point" and my interpretation of said point was correct.
You're once again defending yourself for doing something similar - if not identical - to something you attacked me for doing earlier, and spinning it to make you look townie. That's really scummy. You claim I'm sheeping BB when you're doing the same thing with Sim and NP. So what is it, is it a point on both of us or neither? There's no middle ground on this one.
What trap is this?
Both BB and I are smart enough that we would never buddy like this if both of us are scum.
Oh snap
So, based on my slightly less than thorough read through, in tandem with my previous reads, here's my list, I guess? BB was curious.
I am wary of multiple people. I'm wary of Gekki due to his generally accusatory and assumptive nature in this game. I'm wary of anyone who has been particularly snappy about being accused of anything. I understand that there's a level of "Hey, why're you suspecting me?" when being chosen, but taking it too far feels suspicious. Aggressively defending a point or vote, especially if it involves saying that someone is bandwagoning, feels like an attempt to draw attention to or away from a specific area.
And I'm wary of NP because
My puns are amazing.
Maybe not exactly what everyone was expecting, but then again, am I really what people expect?
Oh, and I managed to mount the TV on my wall without any injury or incident! \ o/
Since these are working again...
So because my teachers are asses, and assign new HW on Sundays, I'll be busy with that for a couple hours. Bye for now.
TOWN:
- Jade, playing as he always does, playing well early D1 then just not existing later. Town
- simsands, despite disagreements sim's play looks very natural for him. Town
- TLS, bandwagoning and activity begging sound and seem in character for him compared to last game, but because he doesn't have a very developed meta I'm a little bit less sure on this one. Light Town
- NP, hard neutral. I think I talked about this before, but NP's just unreadable for me because of how much he's able to control himself and his meta. Neutral, Town Leaning
- bbninjas, just as enigmatic as NP, though for different reason. Neutral
- GP, I was gonna say Firo looked scummy earlier just from his abundance of fluff in any phase, but considering he's said he's working a ton right now, I'm just gonna put him right in the middle. Neutral
- quaking, I honestly have nothing to say about him besides his general lurking (outside of today, ofc). Scummy but he flipped town last game doing this. Neutral
- T_E, gets the benefit of the doubt for being super new, but uh, his actions need to change. Joke voting at this point is unacceptable. Neutral, Scum Leaning
SCUM:
- Mariano, for just in general being very OOC. Backpedaling, bandwagoning, etc. aren't things I'd ever see from him after the last two games. Light Scum
- Gekki, I've explained my thought process behind this one more than enough. Scum
@TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK is not on this list because he's yet to say anything yet. Anything. And tell me if I forgot anything, so that when I return I'll be able to get my take on them.
- Jade, playing as he always does, playing well early D1 then just not existing later. Town
- simsands, despite disagreements sim's play looks very natural for him. Town
- TLS, bandwagoning and activity begging sound and seem in character for him compared to last game, but because he doesn't have a very developed meta I'm a little bit less sure on this one. Light Town
NEUTRAL:- NP, hard neutral. I think I talked about this before, but NP's just unreadable for me because of how much he's able to control himself and his meta. Neutral, Town Leaning
- bbninjas, just as enigmatic as NP, though for different reason. Neutral
- GP, I was gonna say Firo looked scummy earlier just from his abundance of fluff in any phase, but considering he's said he's working a ton right now, I'm just gonna put him right in the middle. Neutral
- quaking, I honestly have nothing to say about him besides his general lurking (outside of today, ofc). Scummy but he flipped town last game doing this. Neutral
- T_E, gets the benefit of the doubt for being super new, but uh, his actions need to change. Joke voting at this point is unacceptable. Neutral, Scum Leaning
SCUM:
- Mariano, for just in general being very OOC. Backpedaling, bandwagoning, etc. aren't things I'd ever see from him after the last two games. Light Scum
- Gekki, I've explained my thought process behind this one more than enough. Scum
@TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK is not on this list because he's yet to say anything yet. Anything. And tell me if I forgot anything, so that when I return I'll be able to get my take on them.
So because my teachers are asses, and assign new HW on Sundays, I'll be busy with that for a couple hours. Bye for now.
As to the first part, I totally agree.
As to the second part, that's no excuse. It's WIFOM.
I've admitted to tunneling, and I wasn't attacking you for that. I'm not sheeping them, I've brought up new reasons and carried this case myself. At this point we're both tunneling eachother, and I don't think anyone can deny that. I attacked you for voting based off a weak point and jumping on a wagon with bb super fast wayyyyyy earlier in the game and have since dropped that point. There is an obvious difference.
I'll post the response to Lorde's post in pieces. Damn Kindle.
Forgot to add to this that neither of us is sheeping, we're both carrying the cases on eachother.
@Lord o da rings This is technically another fluff post, but I enjoy your reads.
@Lord o da rings This is technically another fluff post, but I enjoy your reads.
I'm responding to Lorde's last thing here because it is so wrong that it's funny. All I need to say is:
I've had that as a main reason on you like, forever. And it was me that came up with the point in the first place, iirc. If you didn't know that, you are just flat-out ignoring posts.
As to the first part of this, I said I was happy you started scumhunting. And I did make a response to why you said you couldn't do it properly. Therefore I was not ignoring the point.
As to the second, I gave thoughts on others as well, but we haven't moved our votes. Therefore, we're both tunneling. And I've debunked literally all the points you've made on me (or will have by the time I finish this response.)
As to the third, once again, you've ignored my responses to your points. They were not hypocritical, and you will find them if you read the thread.
TLDR: Stop ignoring my points, and if you don't, stop trying to scumread me for not responding to your points when I have.
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