Finished Mafia XLVI - Salem Forces ~ ENDGAME

[Draskk]

##VOTE: @TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK

Jade, the main antagonist of Nick, was nightkilled. Investigator (his claim) is identical to Consigiliere (the Mafia's version of Investigator in ToS). As well as the fact that his posts have been fluffy, pointless, and generally unhelpful and confusing, which is the exact opposite of what the Investigator would want to do. I think its possible that it's nooby town behaviour, but the Jade NK really pings my scumdar.

 

[quakingpunch73]

@TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK What were your results from last night?

 

[Mariano11887]

I must admit that I was wrong with TSM.
2 Town players were killed last night. If we want to have some chances of winning this game, we cannot fail today.
There is another person apart from Nick that has my attention right now and he is GM DracLord. I'll try to do an analysis similiar to what Jade did on Day 1. Sorry for not putting it into a spoiler tag, I don't know how to do it .

Sorry the alert function didn't work for me.. Didn't realize the day has started so sorry

It's ok, it could be possible.

From what I read, NP & GD's interaction is gave me the same vibe as the previous game's discussion

I'm not so sure of what he means because I didn't read last game.

Sorry, I kept using that initial when referring you in my document..

This is a response to the question "Who is GD?". Nothing important.

It's more of a feeling I don't know how the depth matters anyway at this point.

Referring to NP and Gekki's interaction last game.

But there a chance he is actually a Jester but with a role that is not like you expect it would be. It's normal for host to mix up the original roles from previous incarnation to make it more interesting for this one.

This is when we were discussing if Nick was a Jester. In my opinion, nothing related to scumhunting.

For some game a the Jester role could simply combined with Jack-of-All-Trade and becoming and independent however we might actually have a Town-Aligned Jester right?

Same as the previous.

##VOTE: Mariano11887

Your action on the voting and unvoting back really gave me bad vibes

It's difficult to analyze this because I'm the person involved. This was at the ending of Day 1, do you really vote someone only for "bad vibes" of a single action after 10 forum pages of discussion?

I don't know, it's kind of strange to me. I don't see any scumhunting here. What do you think?

 

[Jabberwock]

##VOTE: @TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK

Jade, the main antagonist of Nick, was nightkilled. Investigator (his claim) is identical to Consigiliere (the Mafia's version of Investigator in ToS). As well as the fact that his posts have been fluffy, pointless, and generally unhelpful and confusing, which is the exact opposite of what the Investigator would want to do. I think its possible that it's nooby town behaviour, but the Jade NK really pings my scumdar.

A'ight now I'm not opposed to the idea of a Nick lynch, but there's something bothering me about this.

You claimed bodyguard yesterday, right? That's a role that scum most definitely do not want to exist––it's arguably the most powerful town role in the game. I'm at a complete loss for how you're still alive, unless you're scum yourself.

Now, it should be noted that this point is subject to a good deal of WIFOM. Also note, however, that Gekki was very quick to claim yesterday after only a couple votes, and today he doesn't even acknowledge the point he belabored yesterday––that he is a prime target for the nightkill. Also, as a more minor point, he was quite involved with the TSM case, trying twice to get him lynched when the first time didn't work out. And TSM was town. So yeah.

 

[quakingpunch73]

You claimed bodyguard yesterday, right? That's a role that scum most definitely do not want to exist––it's arguably the most powerful town role in the game. I'm at a complete loss for how you're still alive, unless you're scum yourself.

There's a major problem with your reasoning here, Jabber. There are two scum teams, likely each with their own kill at night, which means that even if Gekki was scum, there is still another team that could have had the opportunity to have killed him.

 

[Draskk]

A'ight now I'm not opposed to the idea of a Nick lynch, but there's something bothering me about this.

You claimed bodyguard yesterday, right? That's a role that scum most definitely do not want to exist––it's arguably the most powerful town role in the game. I'm at a complete loss for how you're still alive, unless you're scum yourself.

Now, it should be noted that this point is subject to a good deal of WIFOM. Also note, however, that Gekki was very quick to claim yesterday after only a couple votes, and today he doesn't even acknowledge the point he belabored yesterday––that he is a prime target for the nightkill. Also, as a more minor point, he was quite involved with the TSM case, trying twice to get him lynched when the first time didn't work out. And TSM was town. So yeah.

I wasn't very quick to claim, literally everyone had been saying I was the best lynch. I didn't belabor the point, I just stated it. If I was scum, and I had been pushing the TSM case, why would I NK him? I'd keep him alive so I could try to get him lynched today.

 

[Nick Tornell]

@TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK What were your results from last night?

I have found that you simply wish to survive the queer events taking place and have singled you out to be an attempting survivor, a vampire hunter or medusa.

 

[quakingpunch73]

I have found that you simply wish to survive the queer events taking place and have singled you out to be an attempting survivor, a vampire hunter or medusa.

Those results don't make sense. My role is not apart of those results, Vampire Hunter is likely not in the game, and Psychic, which NP claimed, is not apart of that pool. which it would be in the online game.

 

[quakingpunch73]

##Vote: @TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK

 

[Nick Tornell]

##VOTE:GekkisaiDaiNi
For the very reason pointed out by Jabber. Hence Gekki is a bodyguard, that would naturally make him a target of one of the two teams. Yet, TSM, an escort, and Jade, a tracker, have been killed instead.

 

[Nick Tornell]

##Vote: @TeamAqua4Life #HEYNICK

Sorry I didn't trust you last night bro, but I can't trust anybody with my position

 

[Draskk]

##VOTE:GekkisaiDaiNi
For the very reason pointed out by Jabber. Hence Gekki is a bodyguard, that would naturally make him a target of one of the two teams. Yet, TSM, an escort, and Jade, a tracker, have been killed instead.

{obligatory post pointing out that this is both a bandwagon and an OMGUS}

 

[Nick Tornell]

Those results don't make sense. My role is not apart of those results, Vampire Hunter is likely not in the game, and Psychic, which NP claimed, is not apart of that pool. which it would be in the online game.

I'm just stating my findings

 

[Jabberwock]

There's a major problem with your reasoning here, Jabber. There are two scum teams, likely each with their own kill at night, which means that even if Gekki was scum, there is still another team that could have had the opportunity to have killed him.

I can't imagine they both have a kill every night; that'd be insanely unbalanced. Yeah it's a WIFOMy point and not worth lynching him over yet, but it's also not something that can be ignored by any means.

@anyone with knowledge of ToS, what's the coven? I was under the impression it was an indie sort of thing based on it being colored purple in the OP, but if they also have an NK then that's ridiculous.

I wasn't very quick to claim, literally everyone had been saying I was the best lynch.

Wdym everyone? NP and I said you were a good lynch, and Mariano just kinda reluctantly went along with it. You were nowhere near majority.

I didn't belabor the point, I just stated it.

A strawman of semantics. Doesn't actually excuse the point, which was that you went into the Night phase convinced you were going to die, and you're still alive.

If I was scum, and I had been pushing the TSM case, why would I NK him? I'd keep him alive so I could try to get him lynched today.

WIFOM.

I'm just stating my findings

No, actually, you're stating my findings. See definition of a bandwagon. ^.^

 

[GM DracLord]

I wasn't very quick to claim, literally everyone had been saying I was the best lynch.
I didn't belabor the point, I just stated it.
If I was scum, and I had been pushing the TSM case, why would I NK him?
I'd keep him alive so I could try to get him lynched today.

1. Agree with Jabber, you were not in any verge of death to the point of needing to claim in day 1.
2. N/C
3. This would meant nothing as TSM wasn't kill by Scum but by probably an indie
4. Scum would benefit most by letty TSM live as he was nowhere to befound and most probably be sub or modkilled

 

[Draskk]

Day one was ending, if I hadn't claimed y'all would've piled votes on me instead of switching to morda. We were running out of time.

@Jabberwock http://town-of-salem.wikia.com/wiki/Coven

Wdym everyone? NP and I said you were a good lynch, and Mariano just kinda reluctantly went along with it. You were nowhere near majority.

Everyone who was active. Also don't leave out the fact that @quakingpunch73 had a vote on me as well.

A strawman of semantics. Doesn't actually excuse the point, which was that you went into the Night phase convinced you were going to die, and you're still alive.

The point is WIFOM. Make a better point and I'll make a better response. <3
[QUOTE="Jabberwock, post: 2911606, member: 107419" ]WIFOM.[/QUOTE]
What.

 

[Mariano11887]

You claimed bodyguard yesterday, right? That's a role that scum most definitely do not want to exist––it's arguably the most powerful town role in the game. I'm at a complete loss for how you're still alive, unless you're scum yourself.

On Day 1, there were many people saying Gekki was kinda scummy. So, if I would be from one of the scum teams (I'm not, just to be clear), I would not kill Gekki because he is likely to be lynched on the day phase. Maybe that explains why he wasn't NK'd.

##VOTE:GekkisaiDaiNi
For the very reason pointed out by Jabber. Hence Gekki is a bodyguard, that would naturally make him a target of one of the two teams. Yet, TSM, an escort, and Jade, a tracker, have been killed instead.

And this is what I think scum want us to do, lynch Gekki.

I'm tempted to vote Nick now, but before that I want to know 2 things first:
1) What do you think about the Drac thing I mentioned earlier? Nobody ever talked about him.
2) @NinjaPenguin , what was your vision last night?

 

[Jabberwock]

Day one was ending, if I hadn't claimed y'all would've piled votes on me instead of switching to morda. We were running out of time.

I kinda doubt it. You were at, like, L-4? There are ways to defend yourself that don't involve claiming ridiculously early. If it had actually gone to trial and you thought more than half of us were against you? That might've been a good time to claim.

Also, fact-checking: You were trying at the time to get people to switch to TSM, not to mord. That's important, 'cause TSM was town and you were pushing harder than anyone for his lynch.

@Jabberwock http://town-of-salem.wikia.com/wiki/Coven

Took a look at that; still doesn't explain what a ghoul is or how a necromancer can kill someone before N3.

Everyone who was active. Also don't leave out the fact that @quakingpunch73 had a vote on me as well.

Mm no, he didn't, actually. He voted you after you claimed. Bit confused as to what you're trying to say here.

The point is WIFOM. Make a better point and I'll make a better response. <3

Strawmanning is literally the worst response lol. It actually looks less scummy if you ignore a point entirely than if you strawman it, because it shows you're trying to shift attention somewhere else.

What.

Not really sure what this is supposed to mean.

On Day 1, there were many people saying Gekki was kinda scummy. So, if I would be from one of the scum teams (I'm not, just to be clear), I would not kill Gekki because he is likely to be lynched on the day phase. Maybe that explains why he wasn't NK'd.

And this is what I think scum want us to do, lynch Gekki.

By that logic, TSM shouldn't have been killed because Gekki kept gunning for him.

1) What do you think about the Drac thing I mentioned earlier? Nobody ever talked about him.

Drac isn't the best lynch today. There's much more of a case on Gekki and Nick.

 

[Draskk]

I kinda doubt it. You were at, like, L-4? There are ways to defend yourself that don't involve claiming ridiculously early. If it had actually gone to trial and you thought more than half of us were against you? That might've been a good time to claim.

Also, fact-checking: You were trying at the time to get people to switch to TSM, not to mord. That's important, 'cause TSM was town and you were pushing harder than anyone for his lynch.

I ended up switching my vote to mord. And you know as well as I do that Town vs Town scenarios happen all the time.

Took a look at that; still doesn't explain what a ghoul is or how a necromancer can kill someone before N3.

Shrug.

Strawmanning is literally the worst response lol. It actually looks less scummy if you ignore a point entirely than if you strawman it, because it shows you're trying to shift attention somewhere else.

How is it strawmanning? I didn't belabor the point at all, literally the only thing I said about it was "scum is bound to kill me now". That's called stating a point.

Not really sure what this is supposed to mean.

How is that WIFOM?

Mm no, he didn't, actually. He voted you after you claimed. Bit confused as to what you're trying to say here.

I was just saying that I had more votes than what you said I had. And if you're so obsessed with the scumtell of people claiming early, what about @NinjaPenguin?

 

[Mariano11887]

By that logic, TSM shouldn't have been killed because Gekki kept gunning for him.

Remember there are 2 scum teams. What if the Coven actually wanted to kill a Mafia member and he ended up being town?

Drac isn't the best lynch today. There's much more of a case on Gekki and Nick.

I don't agree with that. To me, Nick and Drac are at the same level now. Gekki is a few steps below them.

Guys, we have 3 trials to spend in a period of 5 real life days. I want to propose trailing someone today or tomorrow (in real life) at most, that way we can have the opportunity to trial someone else before Day 2 ends if the first trial results innocent. But I still want to know NP's vision of last night before casting my vote, which will be for Nick if NinjaPenguin doesn't respond by today.
We cannot fail on Day 2.