I don't think it would disable Damage change however it would get rid of the other effects you mentioned
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Damage Change places damage counters and is thus an effect of the attack, not damage dealt (hence unaffected by Hard Charm/Assault Vest).
It is the same situation as Damage Change being used on Giratina-EX or Regice with Resistance Blizzard, they take no counters, but Mewtwo loses all of its. So that portion at least occurs.
Another example would be Mr. Mime's Bench Barrier versus Bronzong's Metal Fortress. Bench Barrier only blocks damage and so doesn't stop Trevenant BREAK's Silent Fear, but Metal Fortress stops effects and damage and does stop Silent Fear from placing counters.
Well based on how ex heavy the next format will be i think ex denial decks like regice or hippowdon might be descent
If they became popular then pokemon ranger would just become more of a 2 of.
All out offense is generally the best way to win which is why usually high damage output decks win the big tournaments. Rayquazza is a pretty great option but without Karen, coming back from a stadium switch or even worse parallel city can really hurt the strategy unless they withhold a couple basics in hand as well as super rod right after. Mega Sceptile can be great if you can loop heals but it lacks good offensive pressure without ariados and is walled hard by glaceon and Regice which ironically makes water toolbox(replacing Toad with something currently wanting to use Primal Kyogre or MGyrados) a good deck to beat Sceptile. Volcanion seems to be getting some hype but i think focusing to much on flareon is not a good idea due to the fact that it hitting hard numbers could take a while and there is always a swift lysandre knock out to ruin all your hard work(My friend actually has a great list i think will be pretty good but i wont divulge any information). Greninja is great but losses Muscle band at the same time that it really needs it as hitting 220 is now very important and also with everyone and their mother trying to put garbodor with everything else it could make it difficult to win as a very specific tech is needed to win against a garbodor deck but its still a nuisance. Raichu is not as good for the same reason that rayquaza is going to have issues except raichu's is maximized by the fact that it has less room for recovery due to evolution lines and also looses Muscle band and Crobat. Mega Mewtwo X is less viable without bats, landorus, Battle compressor, and Dimension valley which is a shame because its technically better than Y. However Mega Mewtwo Y might get a foothold in the meta as it has allot of advantages namely power and the fact that it can be used with any type of energy. I personnaly like the idea of using Mewtwo Y with Clawitzer but as i learned with Mega gallade having 2 evolution lines can be clunky but its still a possibility. another benefit of using clawitzer is that you can use Rainbow energy as your Special energy to accelerate(Alongside DCE of course) and that opens up other strategy's to employ. Magnezone/Raikou/Kingdra is a deck that is mostly rouge but not inherently bad and can definitely win if you let it. Turbo Giratina(Reshiram) is a great deck that loses nothing and has recently gained Special Charge which will shore up his old weakness but pokemon ranger can hurt a bit however its a solid counter to Rayquazza as they cant Hex and Ranger on the same team. Zoroark/Yveltals is another deck that will likely be great for next format but i dont need to explain that. Lastly i'd like to express my joy at the temporary death of item lock. Without AZ Vileplume is no longer nearly as good as it was and with the loss of its favorite partner vespiquen(No Battle compressor) we can hope to have much more fun games now that the more toxic decks have left the format.
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Great information @AuraJackle! I was making a Sceptile deck originally but it doesn't have the best damage output that is needed to take out Meta-Predicted Pokemon like MRay. Now am thinking of creating a Volcanion/Flareon/Camerupt deck because of the way it can utilize and move energy around without the use of any trainers or supporters. Anyways what decks would you recommend for someone getting into competitive Pokemon for the 2017 rotation?
i beat the pants off of yveltal/zoroark deck using my genesect deck PRC-ON style!
How did you do that without Bronzong?
Im not the same guy but we've discussed using Genesect with Togekiss here
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/threads/rapid-kisses-2016-17-genesect-ex-togekiss.134427/
Be sure to read the whole thread if you're interested. Lots of feedback and suggestions in there.
I thought of a really funny troll deck yesterday- what do you guys think of Amoonguss/Garbodor?
Both. The Garbodor is obviously to slow the opponent but also shuts down Zoroark, which would otherwise ruin Amoonguss.
Use Garbodor to shut off ability-based switches and then proceed to play Aqua's Secret Base + Hammers and the Opponent's only hope is to play Escape Ropes/Switch/Olympia. Otherwise they either have a Pokemon that's confused but can't necessarily retreat, or a Paralyzed Pokemon that can't do anything Confusion and Poison is very annoying. Paralysis and Poison is worse. You can even take advantage of Bursting Balloon, which is best used if your opponent somehow finds a way to attack you. Crazy Spore+Bursting Balloon+Strange Reaction=12o+Paralysis.