RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST
##UNVOTE: Celever
##VOTE: AlexanderTheAwesome
##UNVOTE: Celever
##VOTE: AlexanderTheAwesome
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RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST
Just got back from League.
My vote on Keeper was evidently a joke, and nothing new that's actually convincing about him being a wolf is out there, or at least for me. I'm taking my vote out for the moment.
##UNVOTE: Keeper of Night
If I didn't know Camo, I'd say that he's being ridiculous, but I gotta say his strategy has worked... sometimes. I still hate how he almost got me lynched D1 while being a townie in TheGuy's game. :v
And I haven't really seen anything on ATA yet, I'll go back and re-read his posts.
Just got back from League.
My vote on Keeper was evidently a joke, and nothing new that's actually convincing about him being a wolf is out there, or at least for me. I'm taking my vote out for the moment.
##UNVOTE: Keeper of Night
If I didn't know Camo, I'd say that he's being ridiculous, but I gotta say his strategy has worked... sometimes. I still hate how he almost got me lynched D1 while being a townie in TheGuy's game. :v
And I haven't really seen anything on ATA yet, I'll go back and re-read his posts.
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST
As for the time of my post, I'm pretty sure I was sleeping at 5:00AM my time xD
What are the timezones you're using for that?
I didn't use school as an excuse, I was just saying the weekdays I lurk during school.bbninjas said:
As for the time of my post, I'm pretty sure I was sleeping at 5:00AM my time xD
What are the timezones you're using for that?
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST
Yay RVS.
##VOTE: Celever
Yay RVS.
##VOTE: Celever
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST
His strategy is doing pretty well because he is getting the desired results.
If you fall for Camo's strat it is probably your fault lol. Also Athena's game was really messed up for a lot of reasons. Everyone collectively destroyed it.bbninjas said:
His strategy is doing pretty well because he is getting the desired results.
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST
In all honesty, Camo generally gets his desired results. He also manages to confuse everyone else in the process, but that is not to say he doesn't achieve his gathering purposes.
GDT. Now I just remembered that I think you told me your timezone is different than that of the one viewable on your skype... Actually, positive. My mistake... ##UNVOTE:VomVom said:
Mr.Muffin said:
In all honesty, Camo generally gets his desired results. He also manages to confuse everyone else in the process, but that is not to say he doesn't achieve his gathering purposes.
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST
I am kind of suspicious of Keeper. I think Camo's play-style is very helpful to us, and Keeper wanting to stop him from doing it is a bit suspicious. I mean, I understand why some people don't think it's helpful, but for all we know, Keeper knows that it's helpful and is just pretending to not think that. Also, I find it very suspicious that he acknowledges AtA's post, but only after Celever votes for AtA does he decide to mention how he thinks AtA is suspicious. Then it takes him even longer to vote for him.
I think the case on AtA isn't too great. There's a lot of people bandwagoning on it, which also turns me off. Celever's vote was kinda suspicious, as he didn't give any reason when he voted, and since then the only thing he said about it was because of his bandwagon. Bigfoot gave no reason what-so-ever. I know it's RVS, but c'mon guys. You can put more effort into it than that.
I'd very much like that.
Um... why?
I am kind of suspicious of Keeper. I think Camo's play-style is very helpful to us, and Keeper wanting to stop him from doing it is a bit suspicious. I mean, I understand why some people don't think it's helpful, but for all we know, Keeper knows that it's helpful and is just pretending to not think that. Also, I find it very suspicious that he acknowledges AtA's post, but only after Celever votes for AtA does he decide to mention how he thinks AtA is suspicious. Then it takes him even longer to vote for him.
I think the case on AtA isn't too great. There's a lot of people bandwagoning on it, which also turns me off. Celever's vote was kinda suspicious, as he didn't give any reason when he voted, and since then the only thing he said about it was because of his bandwagon. Bigfoot gave no reason what-so-ever. I know it's RVS, but c'mon guys. You can put more effort into it than that.
Camoclone said:
I'd very much like that.
Keeper of Night said:
Um... why?
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST
I'd like to point out that both Keeper and Celever have expressed dislike to me about Camo's playstyle whenever I chat to to them about it (not during games o/c), so this personally came to no surprise to me. But I agree about that conversation; I'm very curious about why he thinks his way work well.
Machamp The Champion said:
I'd like to point out that both Keeper and Celever have expressed dislike to me about Camo's playstyle whenever I chat to to them about it (not during games o/c), so this personally came to no surprise to me. But I agree about that conversation; I'm very curious about why he thinks his way work well.
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST
I simply wasn't around to respond until after Celever posted, but I provided my reasoning.
What you think is fine, and you'll have to excuse me for thinking differently. I see that it generates discussion, and that's fine and dandy, but I don't appreciate that he cant even stick to a vote long enough for a response. That is the discussion we want, and he can't keep his vote still long enough for us to get it. (Plus adding on to every vote that ">player< is scum, lynch him" doesn't help.)Machamp The Champion said:
I simply wasn't around to respond until after Celever posted, but I provided my reasoning.
I'll have to address this in a bit, maybe look through other's votes.
Because it wouldn't be a conversation so much as a silly argument that I want no part of.
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST
You're right, I've played enough times to know that what you do starts discussion. It's usually the same old arguments, but if that's what you're going for, then ok.
I assume the "nope" is directed at Camo mentions how he pushes D1?
Why (again, in your own words) did you vote AtA right then?
I want to know why you think I'm scummy. Not just a "he really wants to be lynched" or "this post is scummy" sort of post, but a thought-out explanation. So far, according to you, I'm scummy because I made a town-like post and I disagree with your methods. I need more than that, because I won't argue with points that are actually helpful to me.
To the people I have requested further explanation from, please note that I am looking for thought-out posts. Because that is the information that helps us in this game, not little posts about who's scummy or whatnot. These will helpful for everybody in the long run, and will allow me to address your points properly.
Wrong. Plenty of reason for me to stop arguments before they happen. Since I saw you as town, I was keeping people off the block D1.Camoclone said:
"Honestly it kinda worked." What do you mean by that exactly, and in what way (in your own words) is my post "scum-like"?AlexanderTheAwesome said:
lolkCamoclone said:
So my post is scummy for being town-like? Just a moment ago it was scum-like.Camoclone said:
You're right, I've played enough times to know that what you do starts discussion. It's usually the same old arguments, but if that's what you're going for, then ok.
In response to Camo's above post.Celever said:
I assume the "nope" is directed at Camo mentions how he pushes D1?
Why (again, in your own words) did you vote AtA right then?
Camo, you never did address this.Keeper of Night said:
The mess you started? Or the mess you blew out of proportion? Because we have a few messes at the moment.Camoclone said:
I agree here. As much fun as it is for you to pick apart my posts every game, I wouldn't expect you to give up afterwards.Celever said:
Work what out? And how did we make it impossible?Camoclone said:
So what is this then? Giving up? Frustration?Camoclone said:
I want to know why you think I'm scummy. Not just a "he really wants to be lynched" or "this post is scummy" sort of post, but a thought-out explanation. So far, according to you, I'm scummy because I made a town-like post and I disagree with your methods. I need more than that, because I won't argue with points that are actually helpful to me.
To the people I have requested further explanation from, please note that I am looking for thought-out posts. Because that is the information that helps us in this game, not little posts about who's scummy or whatnot. These will helpful for everybody in the long run, and will allow me to address your points properly.
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST
In WW, sometimes it's hard to excuse anyone for anything.
I'd like to add that the responses from the targets were what caused Camo's playstyle to cause the most chaos and confusion for new players, which is what you're saying is the problem with Camo's playstyle. Remember Reign of Terror (the Luis one)? And this earlier post made it seem like Celever and Camo arguing was the main reason you want Camo to stop. Assuming you're a wolf, I think your train of thought earlier was something along the lines of "I'm gonna say people should ignore Camo to convince people I'm contributing. Oh now I'm being accused for it, now I have to think of reasons to justify my post, because I don't actually have a main reason for not wanting Camo to post."
You being around to post was one of the big points of my case. Let's look at the posts in question: http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-active-werewolf-xxvi-harmonic-divergence-day-1-ends-on-the-22nd-at-22-00-bst?pid=2711425#pid2711425
Linked post: Camo makes his first accusation against you.
First post down: AtA bandwagons Camo's vote.
Second post down: You respond to Camo and AtA's most recent posts.
Next three posts: Camo does Camo stuff.
Sixth post down: Celever (without explaining) votes for AtA.
Seventh post down: You reply to Camo's 3 posts, and slip in a "I also think AtA is suspicious."
I don't know what of Camo's posts would've provoked you to think AtA could be scum. I just think you were trying to get some suspicion off yourself in that seventh post down.
And another thing: When you initially told everyone to ignore Camo, you didn't say anything else in your post. And your only post before that was a joke post. If this pressure on you didn't start, what were you planning to do the rest of the day? How were you planning to get a wolf lynched today/get us closer to lynching one tomorrow? All your posts have been are defenses against yourself and your argument, except for one or two minor things in your last post.
This is the thing that annoys me the most: when people say Camo is bad for the town and then do nothing to move discussion forward. If Camo's "so bad for the town" you've gotta prove it by finding a better method. (This also happens to be something I see wolves do a lot, JSYK.)
##BLURP: Keeper of Night
Keeper of Night said:
In WW, sometimes it's hard to excuse anyone for anything.
Keeper of Night said:
I'd like to add that the responses from the targets were what caused Camo's playstyle to cause the most chaos and confusion for new players, which is what you're saying is the problem with Camo's playstyle. Remember Reign of Terror (the Luis one)? And this earlier post made it seem like Celever and Camo arguing was the main reason you want Camo to stop. Assuming you're a wolf, I think your train of thought earlier was something along the lines of "I'm gonna say people should ignore Camo to convince people I'm contributing. Oh now I'm being accused for it, now I have to think of reasons to justify my post, because I don't actually have a main reason for not wanting Camo to post."
Keeper of Night said:
You being around to post was one of the big points of my case. Let's look at the posts in question: http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-active-werewolf-xxvi-harmonic-divergence-day-1-ends-on-the-22nd-at-22-00-bst?pid=2711425#pid2711425
Linked post: Camo makes his first accusation against you.
First post down: AtA bandwagons Camo's vote.
Second post down: You respond to Camo and AtA's most recent posts.
Next three posts: Camo does Camo stuff.
Sixth post down: Celever (without explaining) votes for AtA.
Seventh post down: You reply to Camo's 3 posts, and slip in a "I also think AtA is suspicious."
I don't know what of Camo's posts would've provoked you to think AtA could be scum. I just think you were trying to get some suspicion off yourself in that seventh post down.
And another thing: When you initially told everyone to ignore Camo, you didn't say anything else in your post. And your only post before that was a joke post. If this pressure on you didn't start, what were you planning to do the rest of the day? How were you planning to get a wolf lynched today/get us closer to lynching one tomorrow? All your posts have been are defenses against yourself and your argument, except for one or two minor things in your last post.
This is the thing that annoys me the most: when people say Camo is bad for the town and then do nothing to move discussion forward. If Camo's "so bad for the town" you've gotta prove it by finding a better method. (This also happens to be something I see wolves do a lot, JSYK.)
##BLURP: Keeper of Night
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST
I have justified my points since I first posted, though, so I have had no need to "think of reasons to justify my post."
Tell me, which method (or another, please share) do you honestly expect to get more information from? RVS, or legitimate, specific questioning?
True enough.Machamp The Champion said:
I have pointed out several times that I was trying to prevent meaningless arguments.
Ha. Actually, I could see that, but it's still funny.
I have justified my points since I first posted, though, so I have had no need to "think of reasons to justify my post."
I would worry less about the post count and more about the time frame. I posted at 11:24 my time, and again right after 1. I do have to eat, therefor I was not around.
Um... None of Camo's posts made me think AtA was summy. AtA's post made me think he was scummy. I provided reasoning for my thoughts. I care little for Celever's actions until he answers what I asked above, which is for an explanation as to why he suddenly voted without any apparent cause.
I planned to do what I do every WW game. Post when I feel necessary and pressure for explanations when none are given. As I will continue to do until I die or this game has ended.
I use a method that has no other answer than providing us with information. The players I questioned must answer or seem scummy for not doing so. They are also required to give us well-thought-out answers, which can provide us with more information on any given person than simply telling somebody they are scum and expecting them to react.
Tell me, which method (or another, please share) do you honestly expect to get more information from? RVS, or legitimate, specific questioning?
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST
Nice of you to drop by. After you bring me my drink and a cookie, you can tell me all about who you find most suspicious at the moment.
bbninjas said:
Nice of you to drop by. After you bring me my drink and a cookie, you can tell me all about who you find most suspicious at the moment.
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST
Oh, stuff the coffee. It didn't taste good anyway :U
You are veeeeeeeeeeery welcome :}
/me gives Keeper a sweet iced tea w/lemon + a dozen pinches of salt and a frozen asparagus cookie
Currently I do not find Camo, Celever or Keeper suspicious. AtA seems to be acting the same as in Luis' game so I'm not inclined to vote for him. Instead, I find someone else acting weird...
Wait a second. You apparently know what Camo's strategy is, and you say he is getting the desired results. If you think he is getting desired results, a) you have a QT with him, know his thoughts and are likely anti-town or b) you have developed some suspicions on both who is town and who is anti-town. Now I'm going to assume you aren't going to go with option A, so you can give us your suspicions instead.
And here's a vote that will become much more serious if I get no response: ##PROMPT: Muffin
Oh, stuff the coffee. It didn't taste good anyway :U
Keeper of Night said:
You are veeeeeeeeeeery welcome :}
/me gives Keeper a sweet iced tea w/lemon + a dozen pinches of salt and a frozen asparagus cookie
Currently I do not find Camo, Celever or Keeper suspicious. AtA seems to be acting the same as in Luis' game so I'm not inclined to vote for him. Instead, I find someone else acting weird...
Mr.Muffin said:
Wait a second. You apparently know what Camo's strategy is, and you say he is getting the desired results. If you think he is getting desired results, a) you have a QT with him, know his thoughts and are likely anti-town or b) you have developed some suspicions on both who is town and who is anti-town. Now I'm going to assume you aren't going to go with option A, so you can give us your suspicions instead.
And here's a vote that will become much more serious if I get no response: ##PROMPT: Muffin
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST
I suppose my thoughts on AtA were not of suspicious behavior until I began to be suspicious of Camoclone, which was not until after his three posts (my response heremakes that apparent). My logic being the same of that from last game (I think? Not sure) where a wolf can latch to town just as easily as they can another wolf. Therefor, of the two, the bandwagoner is the most likely to be suspicious.
I still cannot say that Celever is the reason why I voted AtA, simply because he provided no reasoning for his vote. I want that explanation as much as you do.
Misunderstood, so my point before is irrelevant.
I suppose my thoughts on AtA were not of suspicious behavior until I began to be suspicious of Camoclone, which was not until after his three posts (my response heremakes that apparent). My logic being the same of that from last game (I think? Not sure) where a wolf can latch to town just as easily as they can another wolf. Therefor, of the two, the bandwagoner is the most likely to be suspicious.
I still cannot say that Celever is the reason why I voted AtA, simply because he provided no reasoning for his vote. I want that explanation as much as you do.
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST
And now you refuse to answer any of my questions. How does that help anybody? You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide.
Camoclone said:
And now you refuse to answer any of my questions. How does that help anybody? You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide.
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